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...its seems there is a connection...
Perception or stereotypes carry weight in judgment. Fairly or unfair...yes it happens
Too much stick together mindset when there is no prior relationship with a victim who happens to be a felon
African Americans being judged that way is a huge problem. George Floyd should not have been treated that way. He is a human being. It doesn’t matter what his record is. People stick together because of the history and reality of how African Americans have been treated in this country.
Senator Tim Scott, a Republican, gave a speech taking about these issues on a personal level.
he rose to the floor to deliver a moving speech about his personal history being stopped by law-enforcement officers for what amounted to driving while black. “While I thank God that I have not endured bodily harm,” he declared, “I have felt the pressure applied by the scales of justice when they are slanted. I have felt the anger, the frustration, the sadness, and the humiliation that comes from feeling that you are being targeted for nothing more than being just yourself.”
The first time he was stopped by police, his car had a malfunctioning headlight. A cop approached, hand on his gun, and told him, “Boy, don’t you know your headlight isn’t working properly?” He felt “embarrassed, ashamed, and scared. Very scared.”
Other traffic stops followed. Skipping past many of them, he chose to focus his remarks on “a time in my life when I was an elected official,” noting that while he would not share every interaction, “please remember that in the course of one year, I’ve been stopped seven times by law-enforcement officers. Not four, not five, not six, but seven times in one year as an elected official. Was I speeding sometimes? Sure. But the vast majority of the time I was pulled over for nothing more than driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood, or some other reason just as trivial.”
Once incident began as he was leaving the mall.
“I took a left. And as soon as I took a left the police officer pulled in right behind me. I got to another traffic light. I took another left into a neighborhood. Police followed behind me. I took a third left on the street that led to my apartment complex. And then finally I took a fourth left coming into my apartment complex, and then the blue lights went on. The officer approached the car and said that I did not use my turn signal on the fourth turn. Keep in mind, as you might imagine, I was paying very close attention to the law-enforcement officer who followed me on four turns. Do you really think that I forgot to use my turn signal on that fourth turn?”
Another time, he said, a cop pulled him onto a roadside median and declared that he believed the car Scott was driving might be stolen. “I also think about the experiences of my brother, who became a Command Sergeant Major in the United States Army, the highest rank for an enlisted soldier. He was driving from Texas to Charleston,” he said. “Pulled over by a law-enforcement officer who wanted to know if he had stolen the car that he was driving because it was a Volvo. I do not know many African American men who do not have a very similar story to tell no matter their profession, no matter their income, no matter their disposition in life.
A former staffer of his was the subject of one such story. He drove a Chrysler 300, “a nice car, but not a Ferrari. He was pulled over so many times here in D.C. for absolutely no reason other than for driving a nice car.” He sold that car to stop being targeted.
“Imagine the frustration, the irritation, the sense of a loss of dignity that accompanies each of those stops,” Scott said, relating that even on Capitol Hill, as a member of the Senate, he has been stopped by police and asked to prove his membership.
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They're not. They're judged by FACTS. Unfortunately, for ignorant liberals LIKE YOU, FACTS are labeled as racis
A black individual shouldn’t be judged by that kind of judgment about black people generally. That is prejudice and that is the problem. Some people always think it is justified.
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why should we accept this premise when we know a great many crimes are being committed by 'people of color'
your question should be, how do we keep the law enforcement out of our neighborhoods?
when whites see the law coming to a house all the time (across the street), its usually domestic violence or drugs
everyone is praying that BS is dealt with
when you see the law in your neighborhood all the time it's time to move so you have better neighbors
the law, just so everyone is clear, get's a phone call "to come out"
they don't just show up..."somebody did something"...if everyone is black in that area, guess who is .....
so I reject the premise of your request...it defies what's actually happening relative to "breaking the law"
again, it goes back to parenting...all of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah people don’t always have a choice when they interact with the criminal justice system and interactions shouldn’t be biased against African Americans on the basis of race. There is plenty of evidence that too often that interactions are driven by race. It is a problem. Doesn’t mean there to other issues but that is a significant one here.
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NO, it's not. It's a hoax. It's a complete f*cking lie.
And, the FACTS and STATISTICS bear it out.
The BIG problem is that we have 6-7% population committing more than 50% of the violent crime in the country. So, of course, plain common f*cking sense will tell you that they will have a greater percentage of bad police interactions. But, even then, the FACT and STATISTICS show that it doesn't even come close to the percentage violent crime committed by this small percent of the population.
You again illustrate the problem. A black individual interacting with the criminal justice system shouldn’t be judged by stereotypes or negative generalizations about black people. That is the problem. If you look at the evidence there is plenty of it showing that racial bias against people of color is a factor in this country.
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It is an issue of FAUX systemic racial prejudice in this country and many people wanting 6-7% of the population to STOP committing more than 50% of the violent crime in this country in the name of cultcha. Until then, there will never be any real change.
FIFY!
No it is a very real problem and your post illustrates part of the problem. Black people are judged collectively and in a negative way. The prejudice is supposedly justified. That is the problem.
How about a criminal justice system that is bias against people of color particularly African Americans? I don’t think that is too much to ask. Our founding ideals demand it anyway.
That is not to mention an answer for the many systemic inequalities in this country.
That is not to mention an answer for the many systemic inequalities in this country.
No thanks. I think we should work to solve our problems and work to live up to our founding ideals. We are a diverse country with lots of different views. We should work on making it work is tear or fantasies about breaking up which won’t happen and won’t be good for anyone.
re: Do the Democrats want Trump to win?
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/4/20 at 11:58 am to Auburn1968
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Our good citizens are going to punish the demprogs for this crap
Many good citizens have had enough of the systemic racial prejudice in this country and want change.
This isn’t a left right issue. It is an issue of systemic racial prejudice in this country and many people wanting things to change.
re: The Decline and Fall of the United States of America.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/3/20 at 2:24 pm to Taxing Authority
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Then your willingly ignorant. Because... afirmive action is...
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systemic racial prejudice
It makes no difference if you point it in another direction.
Affirmative action didn’t come about out of the idea that white people are inferior or to tried to hold them down. It was something enacted to deal with the systemic issues of prejudice and the legacy of discrimination. It is something also generally passed by the majority to help a minority group. There are significant distinctions.
Either way, that doesn’t answer the massive discrimination and prejudice that exists against people of color in this country. The majority and minority relationship matters.
That is why I encourage people to look at the evidence. There is plenty out there to show that prejudice on the basis of race is a significant factor in this country.
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Most new immigrant groups were treated badly when they first got here. But they figured out how to make a living. Millions of blacks have done so too. Too hitch your sympathy gene to the clueless who just want an excuse to make up for their lack of initiative speaks more to your gullibility then the reality of situation.
The reality of the situation is there is ample evidence of prejudice and bias against black people in this country particularly within the criminal justice system. It is unacceptable and it needs to stop.
re: The Decline and Fall of the United States of America.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/3/20 at 2:13 pm to DaManiacLovesYou
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The Decline and Fall of the United States of America. by DaManiacLovesYou
What a crock of shite. When 7% of the population is responsible for well over 50% of violent crime, this is the result you get. If you have priors, you get harsher sentences. Don’t give me no shite about skin color. Have you been to a frickin courthouse? Half the goddamn judges are black. If “systemic racism “ exists, go ahead and show us the secret code book that has these underlying rules in place throughout the land. Quit acting like wild frickin animals and you don’t have to worry about police getting nervous around you
The statistics show that blacks get larger sentences than whites even when two people have the same criminal history. Whether there are black judges depends on where you go. You illustrate one of the problems with all is this. Black individuals are too often judged based on stereotypes about black people.
Your last sentence illustrates the problem perfectly. A black individual can’t stop the perception that black people act like wild animals. That kind of prejudice has been around for centuries. There is always some sort of justification for it. That kind of judgment is wrong and has to stop.
re: The Decline and Fall of the United States of America.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/3/20 at 12:33 am to deathvalleytiger10
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There are also studies on crime rates, types of crimes, literacy, etc...
The black community has far more problems by its own doing than the white man in today’s day and age.
As long as they elect to be a victim things will not change. Only the minority community can fix its problems
Mr. Floyd wasn’t given many choices. Black people are a minority in this country that have faced a history of oppression, violence, and bigotry. We haven’t overcome the legacy of those problems. The prejudice and bias are demonstrably still here.
re: The Decline and Fall of the United States of America.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/3/20 at 12:26 am to DallasTiger11
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Post some of your evidence please. TIA
Here is an article about an interesting study on traffic stops. Being black makes it much more likely someone will be stopped and searched in North Carolina despite the fact that blacks people are less likely to be found with contraband.
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Controlling for factors including past violent crimes the US sentencing commission found differences in sentencing based on race.
( there are also studies on employment that show racial bias against people of color).
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re: The Decline and Fall of the United States of America.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/2/20 at 9:47 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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My friend, the stats are posted here all the time. Dive a little deepe
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My friend, the stats are posted here all the time. Dive a little deepe
It is an issue I spend a lot of time reading about and there is ample evidence on racial bias in this country. There are studies on employment, traffic stops, and sentencing among other issues.
re: The Decline and Fall of the United States of America.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/2/20 at 8:29 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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This is the lie that has been repeated so long it is taken as fact
Except it is true. You can look at studies on traffic stops or sentencing. You can even look to the stories individuals have about their own experiences. There is ample evidence out there. It isn’t a new problem on this country.
re: The Decline and Fall of the United States of America.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/2/20 at 8:17 pm to prplngldtigr
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What injustices in particular?
You can start generally with how African Americans are often treated by the criminal justice system and police. To be more specific, look at the study of traffic stops in North Carolina that shows controlling for variables that being black means you are more likely to be stopped and have your car search. Look at the study done by the federal sentencing commission showing that when all factors are the same being a black man means you get a longer sentence than a white man. Those are two examples of the systemic problems in this country.
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Like affirmative action.
The only legal form of racism that nobody wants to have a conversation about.
I don’t think affirmative action is racism. It is in place because of systemic racial prejudice against people of color who are minorities in this country. You can talk about affirmative action if you want. That doesn’t excuse the massive prejudice and bias against people of color Particularly within the context of the criminal justice system.
I don’t know about the decline of the country. We still have a lot of advantages and economic strength relative to other countries.
We are seeing some of the problems that have plagued us since the beginning of our country. We still have racial bias and prejudice particularly in the context of the criminal justice system. This country has to answer those challenges. You can’t expect people to remain silent forever in the face of injustice. We shouldn’t expect that.
We are seeing some of the problems that have plagued us since the beginning of our country. We still have racial bias and prejudice particularly in the context of the criminal justice system. This country has to answer those challenges. You can’t expect people to remain silent forever in the face of injustice. We shouldn’t expect that.
I think building better relationships between police and many of these communities and with people of color is something that needs to come out of this. We need empathy and we need understanding more than ever. I think it is a step towards reform and building better police departments.
Let’s not forget that police are supposed to protect and serve. They work for the community not against it. The bias and prejudice that exists in our criminal justice system is a problem. The perception that police aren’t there to help in many cases is a problem.
Let’s not forget that police are supposed to protect and serve. They work for the community not against it. The bias and prejudice that exists in our criminal justice system is a problem. The perception that police aren’t there to help in many cases is a problem.
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Which is now highly illegal. If it can be proven.
That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. There is ample evidence that it still does.
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Nope, same issue. You have people claiming systemic racism, and micro aggressions, off in the ether somewhere. If it can't be quantified, it can't be fixed.
I think the history and the majority/minority relationship matter when considering all of this stuff. Some of it can be quantified. Attitudes and biases are harder but still can to a degree.
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Can't possibly be that blacks commit a higher percentage of traffic violations, and therefore are stopped at a higher percentage? I mean, are we just to ignore that roughly 7% of the population commits something like 75% of the murders in this country? If it is true for murder, it can't possibly be true for traffic violations that get them stopped in the first place?
No that isn’t what is happening
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The data showed that African Americans had been stopped twice as often as white drivers, and while they were four times more likely to be searched, they were actually less likely to be issued a ticket. The study also highlighted that whites were more likely to be found with contraband than blacks or Hispanics.
"There's a way that police interact with middle-class white Americans and there's a way that people in the police forces interact with members of minority communities, especially in poorer neighborhoods,"
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Controlling for variables like the fact that black men commit the overwhelming majority of murders in this country? Can you control for that? Is it bias or prejudice that makes the most heinous crimes come with the longest sentences? Do white murderers receive less time than black murderers?
Here are some of the findings:
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Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders. Black male offenders received sentences on average 19.1 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders during the Post-Report period (fiscal years 2012-2016), as they had for the prior four periods studied. The differences in sentence length remained relatively unchanged compared to the Post-Gall period.
Non-government sponsored departures and variances appear to contribute significantly to the difference in sentence length between Black male and White male offenders. Black male offenders were 21.2 percent less likely than White male offenders to receive a non-government sponsored downward departure or variance during the Post-Report period. Furthermore, when Black male offenders did receive a non-government sponsored departure or variance, they received sentences 16.8 percent longer than White male offenders who received a non-government sponsored departure or variance. In contrast, there was a 7.9 percent difference in sentence length between Black male and White male offenders who received sentences within the applicable sentencing guidelines range, and there was no statistically significant difference in sentence length between Black male and White male offenders who received a substantial assistance departure.
Violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to account for any of the demographic differences in sentencing. Black male offenders received sentences on average 20.4 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders, accounting for violence in an offender’s past in fiscal year 2016, the only year for which such data is available. This figure is almost the same as the 20.7 percent difference without accounting for past violence. Thus, violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to contribute to the sentence imposed to any extent beyond its contribution to the offender’s criminal history score determined under the sentencing guidelines.
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Give me your top 5 instances where this country isn't living up to it's founding ideals of equality. We can work on them together.
Just know, if you want to start by addressing the black people killed by the police, I'm going to want to discuss the white people killed by the police. If you want to talk about the black people killed by white people, I'm going to want to talk about the white people killed by black people.
And at some point, I'm going to want to have an in depth discussion about the value of all life, and how it is that so many black people, whom apparently want more than anything for us all to know that black lives matter, are the very ones going around and killing other black people at a sickening, tragic rate.
Let's go. Let's face this head on and make progress. You have the floor.
I’m talking about issues that happen because someone is black. That is the issue. You have a racial minority that had often faced discrimination and prejudice because of race/skin color. That context makes what we are talking about different than what you are talking about.
I will give you a couple of examples. They studied traffic stops in North Carolina over several years. Being black made you significantly more likely to be stopped and made it significantly more likely your car would be searched. At the same time whites were more likely to be found with contraband.
The US Sentencing commission has studied the issue and said controlling for variables that being a black man means you are likely to get a longer sentence. Those are examples of the kind of bias and prejudice that exists in this country.
We don’t need to break up the country. I don’t think that is going to happen. How about we do the hard work of living up to our nation’s founding ideals of equality? How about we address systemic bias and prejudice? Let’s not give up. Many generations in this country have faced challenges and Persevered.
Race has been one of the biggest challenges to our founding ideals. That hasn’t changed. Let’s face it head on and make progress.
Race has been one of the biggest challenges to our founding ideals. That hasn’t changed. Let’s face it head on and make progress.
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Actually appreciate your civil tone even with everyone’s passions high right now. Just know that you and I could not possibly disagree more
That is okay. People need to be able to discuss things even if they disagree.
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Is the ample evidence hidden where Schiff has all the Russian collusion evidence?
It isn’t hidden anywhere. Go look at studies done on traffic stops for example. Go look at studies done on sentencing. Go read the any number of stories from black men and interactions from the police. Senator Scott gave a great speech about his own experiences not very long ago.
I understand the distrust and disagreement over politics but go look at the evidence and it can help explain where the frustration and anger is coming from.
re: We are witnessing the collapse of the American system.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/1/20 at 11:10 am to Taxing Authority
I think the evidence helps my case. Look at the recent study of traffic stops in North Carolina or even what the federal courts say in their own studies about race and sentencing.
I’m not sure why you are dismissive about history. It can tell us how we got here and how things have evolved.
I’m not sure why you are dismissive about history. It can tell us how we got here and how things have evolved.
re: We are witnessing the collapse of the American system.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/1/20 at 12:34 am to Shaft Williams
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No. We are witnessing the cleansing of the American system.
I hope we are seeing movement towards positive change in this country and movement towards reform. We will see if that happens.
re: We are witnessing the collapse of the American system.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/1/20 at 12:32 am to Taxing Authority
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Sorry. I have no desire to live in the past or hold grudges. It's telling people don't you hate on Germans and Japanese people. Only American white people are the ones you hold grudges agains.
Thinks white people are racists because of "history"... drives a VW.
It isn’t about holding grudges it is about addressing the systemic problems of prejudice and bias that have long plagued this country and still exist. Again there is ample evidence these problems still exist and are particularly significant in the context of the criminal justice system. History can tell us how we got here and why but it also is very much about the problems of today.
re: We are witnessing the collapse of the American system.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/1/20 at 12:29 am to PrattvilleTiger
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OMG, the rest of these good people are getting introduced to aujhw....have mercy....
I’m interested in what other people think and engaging some on these issues. I’m willing to give this place a try since Toomer’s is no more.
re: We are witnessing the collapse of the American system.
Posted by aujhw1 on 6/1/20 at 12:11 am to Taxing Authority
There is ample evidence of racial bias today and that this prejudice still has an impact. History can tell us how we got here and how things have evolved. I agree not everyone has anything handed to them on a silver platter. But there is ample evidence that being black is still too often a disadvantage in this country. We have made some progress but there is still much to be made especially in the context of the criminal justice system.
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