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re: An NBA insider says Dumars& Weaver wants to get back in the First Round of draft

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 4/17/26 at 8:45 pm to RUFshreve

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Now we're gonna do something stupid like trade Herb for a mid first. Watch.

I'm guessing we'd have to get 2 FRPs for Herb...of course, I COULD...be wrong.

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re: Which former Pels player are you rooting for in postseason?

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 4/13/26 at 9:17 am to bluebarracuda

Dyson Daniels...plays hard on both ends of the court.

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re: Dyson vs Herb season long thread

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 4/11/26 at 10:22 am to whatiknowsofar

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Dyson has really turned it on the back half of the season. Trading for cj really helped.

DD is shooting better from outside in past few games. FTs still a problem.

Biggest problem is that DD just will NOT shoot enough from outside (3s)...he MUST just bite the bullet and start shooting 3s...no matter what his 3-pt% is...he can NOT be taken seriously by a contending team in the NBA until he adjusts his game to today's NBA. This is the major reason there are several serious contenders that are very interested in trading for Herb Jones...but those same teams have a huge problem in finding a way to use DD...especially at $25M/yr for the next 4 years. Pretty simple...just up to DD to show he can make the leap. I'm still optimistic on DD.

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re: Starting lineup tonight

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 4/7/26 at 7:05 pm to Delusional

Imagine paying actual money...to go watch these 2 teams play tonight.

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re: Anyone find is completely hilarious Hawks have won 19 of last 22

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 4/5/26 at 2:08 pm to iykyk985

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They have no choice, they have to bite the bullet and unload # 1, and either # 25 or # 2 (not withstanding tossing out # 3. # 24 and # 55) to have any chance of being competitive within the next three years. Good Luck on that!!!

# 2 will give the Pels the best "bang for the buck". He's not that valuable to the Pels but might possibly be worth 2 FRPs from a "contender in need"...like the Lakers, for instance. JMO...I COULD...be wrong

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re: Would you give up a 1st 5 years down the road if it meant unloading Poole?

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/31/26 at 9:23 am to TeddyPadillac

Before giving up a future 1st...I'd definitely figure out what a "buy out" would cost for his final season. Poole probably thinks he can still play in the NBA...and maybe there's another team out there... as dumb as the Pelicans ...who would take a chance with him....at a supposedly "bargain" price.

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re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/29/26 at 8:44 pm to MannyG

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I'll never understand the need to put someone down to prop another up. I think both are good players. Maybe Dyson's lack of shooting really matters, though I don't think teams are really paying attention to Herb or Dyson so what's it actually matter, (if you want to have the outlier conversation Dyson was also a career 32% shooter coming into this season, so maybe the 14% is his outlier), but I do think he's slightly better than Herb. Considerably better in some areas even. I think there's a reason Atlanta asked for Dyson and not Herb.

They asked for Herb, we said no or asked for Onyeka Okongwu to be included in the trade.
This topic makes little sense considering there is not much separating Herb & Dyson. If you want a former Pel playing for the Hawks the answer is NAW (cheaper, good defender, better shooter). He might mess around & take most improved player in the league.

Here's the bottom line. Two fairly even players & I like both of them...but...VERY different "types" which leads to a contending team (like the Lakers) having quite a bit of interest in Herb...and basically NO interest in Dyson. Lakers woulda traded for Herb at the deadline but just didn't have the draft picks available at the time. Things COULD be different come draft night.

You would be hard pressed to find a contending team...that could find a way to use Dyson. They already have their offensive stars...and are almost always...just looking for that low-maintenance defensive stud...who they can plug-in & hopefully shoot 35-38% on C&S 3s. They do NOT need Dyson's (admittedly better than Herb's) inside offensive game.

Even worse for Dyson...his 3-pt attempt %...has been 41/43/25/14 over his first 4 years in the NBA...headed the wrong way for sure...& that's not even considering his 15% 3-pt% for this season. I have no doubt Herb will have a 3-pt% attempt rate of OVER 50% for the next few years. He's 54% this season...and probably headed up from there...especially if playing for a serious contender.

On a side note...maybe draft night will be a bit more exciting for the Pels...than most here, think it will be.

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re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/26/26 at 10:57 am to iwyLSUiwy

Actually...35.80%...which is, in itself, a major clue. We all spend quite a bit of time on basketball-reference.com when it comes to basketball discussions.

How do you most easily, get from 22-72 (30.55%) to 35.80%? THAT...is the magic number we need to find for Herb. Surprise, it's there...and makes perfect sense why it should be added to arrive at Herb's more realistic "shooting from three" final number.

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re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/26/26 at 10:10 am to iwyLSUiwy

Seems strange for sure...but that's just the way we "test" an individual hypothesis with the rest of the group.

In this case...you just announce.."I think Herb Jones shot 35.8% from 3 last season instead of 30.6%" ,,,with no explanation why. Then you leave it to others in the group to analyze the numbers and hopefully...come to the same conclusion. It gives your hypothesis MUCH more validity...when the others start from scratch...and end up with the same conclusion.

Weird as hell, for sure...but it's just how we roll...and gets REALLY interesting we we get into serious subjects like maybe the war in Iran.

The fun part...is getting others to "re-look" at something...then change their opinion on the matter.

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re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/26/26 at 9:39 am to boxcar willie

It's no big deal...but a really sharp guy tried to explain Herb's 3-pt anomaly last season to me & wanted me to figure it out on my own...instead of just giving me the answer. Sort of teach me to fish instead of giving me a fish.

If the object of the discussion is to get the best idea of Herb's future 3-pt shooting... and I admit his "30.6% shooting from three last season" gave me pause...he suggested I use the figure of "35.8% shooting from three last season" on Herb. He wouldn't tell me why...but turned me loose on all of Herb's shooting stats from last season...and I admit...it took me a while but I finally got there. Hint: Look for really odd shooting numbers in a certain area & then...ask yourself...why they are there.

My guy told me ANY half-decent analyst would pick this up fairly quickly...especially if he was zeroed in on trying to analyze Herb's future 3-pt shooting %...and that % is a HUGE factor in determining Herb's future "worth" to a contending team. Same thing for Dyson by the way...2 similar players whose future value for a contending team...is mainly based on what you think they will "shoot from three" for the rest of their careers. You also gotta throw in DD's truly horrible FT% but that a subject for another day.

Sorry for the length of the post...but rest assured, it coulda gone MUCH longer. This kinda stuff is what our "crew" is constantly debating. If you name a player...we've got a serious opinion.

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re: CJ having a good night vs Pistons

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/25/26 at 8:51 pm to Demps

Got hot down the stretch...but I didn't really like the shot he took at the end of regulation.

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re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/25/26 at 8:08 pm to CP3forMVP

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Herb shot 30.6% from three last season and he's at 30.3% this season. If anything I would say the 23-24 season when he shot 42% is the outlier. He's a career 32% three point shooter other than that.

Look a bit closer at all of Herb's shooting stats from last season. Look for an anomaly & analyze what it means. Then, pat yourself on the back. (Or, ignore this post...if you prefer)

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re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/23/26 at 10:26 pm to htran90

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Ultimately - who costs less, that's who I want.

The Herb/DD comparison is a very unique situation.

For fairly obvious reasons, Herb, almost always, has MUCH more value to a team that is a seriously contending playoff team...while DD has MUCH more value to a team (like the Hawks or even possibly the Pelicans) who are not what most would consider to be serious contenders.

Bottom line...Herb is "wired" to be a perfect role player for a team which already has a solid amount of talent (usually offensive)...while DD doesn't "fit" quite as well as Herb...on that type team. But, DD still has certain advantages over Herb...for some other teams.

So, hopefully...Herb might prove to be a very solid chip to have available for trade...on draft night. Could be very beneficial for the Pelicans (and Herb)

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re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/23/26 at 10:07 pm to CP3forMVP

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Anyone who says no only says no because Herb is our guy. The only thing Herb has over Dyson is outside shooting but Herb is just a 30% shooter from three the last two seasons so it’s not like he’s a knockdown shooter

You would be wise to look a bit closer at Herb's "apparent" 3-pt% last season.

This season has been a struggle for sure...but very likely...it will prove to be a "one-off".

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re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/23/26 at 9:58 pm to SlowFlowPro

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The only thing Herb has over Dyson is outside shooting

You forget the biggest issue: FT shooting

Dyson isn't playable late in playoff games with his Shaq-esque FT%

I'm a DD fan...but a source I pay very close attention to, told me that FT% is a stat that just about every analyst uses as a predictor of possible future outside shooting ability. He says it's very hard to find a player who improves on his outside shooting by a decent margin...IF...he is a lousy FT shooter for a substantial amount of time early in his career. He said I should be more concerned with DD's FT%...than his current struggles at the 3-pt line.

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re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/23/26 at 6:57 pm to Jar_Jar_80

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This team is in desperate need of shooting so why are we concerned with a guard shooting 14% from 3 and 60% ft

I'm a Herb fan...but honesty compels me to say NOBODY thinks DD will continue to shoot 14% from 3...he shot 31, 31 and 34% his first three years. The question is...can DD end up averaging around 32-34% for his career...which I think he can do.

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Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/23/26 at 5:59 pm

---this has already been asked. ..but just wanted to find out how folks compared the two. (Given current and future pay...and all other considerations...I'd prefer Herb)

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re: Dyson vs Herb season long thread

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/22/26 at 2:04 pm to Townedrunkard

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After a clunker by the team last game, beat the warriors to win 12 of last 13.

Dyson with a season high
28 pts on 70.6%, 40% on 3
7 Rebs
6 assists
4 steals
+35 (highest on team)

Not bad for a guy the board said would never be a rotational guy on a playoff team or out the league completely…

Great to see DD hit a coupla 3s...even GREATER...to see him take 5 of them during the game. Maybe this is the turning point for his outside shooting. Key is to just keep shooting them...whether you shoot a solid % or not. Hard to be in the lineup down the stretch in "serious" games...if you won't take the shot. I'm still optimistic...he'll come around.

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re: Dyson vs Herb season long thread

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/17/26 at 11:26 am to iwyLSUiwy

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Don't forget the most important stat (and the.12% 3pt% )... Four years, 100 million dollars. He was not worth that for the Pels.

DD has 2 HUGE problems.

1. He has totally lost confidence in his outside shot which is understandable considering his 12% 3-pt numbers for the season.

2. And EVEN worse...he is basically refusing to shoot 3-pt shots. He actually tries to NOT be caught in a position where he is wide open at the 3-pt line. THIS IS NOT GOOD...

One thing about Herb...he actually goes out of his way to throw up 3-pt shots...which should eventually lead to his return to the norm...which for him, is somewhere around 35/36%.

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re: Pels vs Lakers

Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/4/26 at 12:25 am to iykyk985

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I respectfully disagree. We stopped moving the ball and Zion and Trey decided to play 'hero-ball'. I bet that Zion, on average, leads the league in having his shots blocked. Trey is effective when it's in the flow of the game, but when he tries to create his own shot, it becomes 'hit and miss'...and mostly miss.

JMO...I think the Pels, especially their top 3 offensive players, are basically just "hero ball" players & that works out OK for the first 3 1/2 quarters when hardly amybody is playing defense on either side...but then... if the other team is not tanking...and start playing good tough defense...the weakness in the Pels style of play becomes obvious.

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