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Someone from Alabama calling anywhere else on the planet “third world” is absolutely hysterical


You’ve never been to Louisiana or Mississippi, apparently.

Huntsville, suburbs of B’ham, Daphne/Fairhope area or other places around Mobile, Bama beaches, etc. are all decent places to live without having to live in state run by liberals. But please stay out of Bama, we certainly don’t need someone with your intelligence trying to “fix things” so we can be more like Colorado or wherever you are from.
What you’ve stated is definitely true, but chasing money, fame, and power has been around for almost as long as humans have. It was pretty common in ancient Greece, Rome, etc.

I think the frustrating part is that it wasn’t always so broad and in your face in America, but social media has ramped it up to never before seen levels. I’ve seen hints of some backlash against social media in the school age kids recently, so I’m hopeful things can self correct a bit. However, I’m not naive enough to think the majority of society won’t still chase those 3 things.
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He turned down Kentucky. He didn't do that without calling his buddy Pitino, who is pretty open about the fact that leaving Kentucky is one of his biggest regrets, to talk about the job. I'm pretty confident that any coach who turns down Kentucky is satisfied that they can compete for a title just as well at their current job.



That was before rev sharing details came out and the price tag on individual players went up. KY put more rev share into basketball than any other SEC team IIRC. The gap has widened between Bama and Ky in terms of resources in just a couple years. It also was at a different stage in his family life. His answers were pretty clearly tilted towards family when he talked about staying.


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He’s not an NBA guy


I get that he hasn’t worked in the NBA, but multiple players/talking heads have been quoted as saying NBA teams view Oats as running an NBA style program in college. One NBA staff member was quoted as saying Oats’ program is like the 31st NBA team IIRC (they were obviously joking, but making a point that Oats hires NBA guys, studies NBA programs every offseason, has looked to replicate many of the concepts).
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I hope your soapbox catches on fire.


If the way it “catches on fire” is due to Mack or Keelon winning us a Natty next season after taking home the Heisman, I hope the box gets razed to the ground by an ICBM.
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We get it


This just isn’t a factual statement, at all. You personally may get it, but very few on the board do.

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no need to say it in every thread


I’m aware people are tired of hearing it…I’m tired of saying it. That said, it’s relevant to almost any discussion about the potential success of next season, certainly a preseason ranking. Setting reasonable expectations for a player, team, or even coaching staff can help at least limit some of the toxicity when reality hits.

I’ve seen several times when myself or others tried to set reasonable expectations for an upcoming season or game only to have our narratives parroted after the losses by the same posters attacking us prior to the outcome. It’s happened a lot (OU loss due to them having an extra week to prepare and Duke bball game given our small backcourt were 2 of the latest). Just trying to do my part to have the fans pissed at me now, so maybe they are just a little less pissed later when the team does exactly what us reasonable fans expected them to do given our limitations. It’s overly idealistic of me, but I’ve seen it happen on the margin multiple times before.
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Our schedule really couldn't set up any better for easing in a first-year starting QB. Assuming we don't trip all over our own dicks again against FSU or some other podunk team, we should get effectively almost two months of practice before the real meat of the schedule kicks in midseason.


A 9-3 Texas team lost to a bad FL team and almost lost to KY and MSU with a 1st year starter at QB (also almost beat OSU in the opener, although OSU had a 1st year starter as well). Nothing is guaranteed with a 1st year starter at QB.
Guess I’m not sure why you would have used Ty’s costing us a game or two in his 1st year starting to advocate for another 1st year starter. I would have expected you’d want a QB that has a chance to not cost a game or two instead.

I, personally, am not fine with having a 1st year starter year after year. If we go with Keelon, we better be ready to pay him after next year to keep him. If we go with Mack, we better be ready to lose Keelon because I sure as heck don’t want Mack for 1 year, Keelon for 1 year, and a 4th consecutive 1st year starter in 2028.
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Penn St 14? There team went 8-4 at Iowa St last year, minus Iowa St best defender who went to USC


Penn St above us seems ridiculous. However, we may be the highest ranked team with a 1st year starter on the list (assuming Chambliss wins his lawsuit and I don’t know Utah’s situation).

We’re too low, but they clearly understand 1st year starters don’t win in the postseason anymore (not to mention that we haven’t fired anyone responsible for the worst Bama running game in 50 years yet).
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This is where you are getting the downvotes


I honestly couldn’t care less about downvotes or upvotes. One of the greatest truths in life is that people don’t like to face hard truths (certainly not on message boards). It’s a bit ironic in a sense.

I am still holding out hope we make some staff changes. Having a 1st year starter doesn’t excuse poor coaching, so OL and ST coaches at a minimum have to go.
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Where does Miami's money come from?


White powder distribution. (Kidding, mostly)
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Miami offered Ty 6.5 million dollars and he turned it down. He knows that this year's weak draft class makes him an almost guaranteed 1st round pick. If he stayed at Bama he'd be contending with a much stronger draft class next year. He'd have been stupid to stay no matter what we offered him.


The draft class point may have been a deciding factor in the end, but I think if we had offered something in the 2.5-3.5mm range to keep him, he likely would have come back if not for the weak draft class.

If we don’t have somewhere in the 2-4mm range to pay an experienced QB already on our roster, we are in deep trouble unless they set an enforceable salary cap for CFB. Imagine starting Keelon this year and then having him portal to Miami or Oregon because we can’t afford to make the gap small enough to keep him. That would be a disaster in terms of trying to win championships
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I am ready to roll with Keelon and take whatever happens . Our last two QBs have cost us a game or two each year , so let KR learn on the job



What do you think happened with Sayin at OSU or Underwood at Michigan? Of course Ty cost us a game or two, that’s what 1st year QBs do when there is parity between teams.

Unless Keelon is truly a once in a generation talent, which means he’s substantially better than Bryce, Trevor, Mendoza, etc., then he’s going to cost us a game or two as well next year (or Mack). That’s just how football works.
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I'd rather roll with Keelon and hope his talent rises to the occasion.


I’m fine with rolling with Keelon as long as we keep him 2 years and people set reasonable expectations for his 1st year (the reasonable expectations won’t happen).

However, I’d have rather kept a projected 1st round draft pick that loved Bama, we absolutely could have afforded, and threw for 3500+ yds, 28 TDs, only 5 INTs, all while being injured and having zero running game. That was definitely something we could have done, but didn’t.
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But that statistical outlier is likely to come from a team that routinely brings in elite high school QBs in recruiting. Keelon is the highest ranked recruit we've ever signed, Jett Thomalla is a top 5 QB recruit, and we're in pole position for #1 QB Elijah Haven next year. If we keep it up it increases our chances of being that team that wins it all with a 1st year starter.


That’s true, but we don’t know if that statistical outlier is a 1/10, 1/25, or 1/100. Even if it’s 1/10 (which I doubt), we would have to hope that we are guaranteed to be the 1 outlier just to win a NC once every 10 years.

In reality, we’re probably one of 3-4 teams with 1st time starters trying to compete in a given year (see OSU, Texas, and UGA just this year) so even if the outlier is 1/10, we’d be hunting a once in a 30-40 years outlier for Bama.

I’d rather just start a more experienced QB as many years as we can make it happen.
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Statistically speaking we should have won those games comfortably and only jerdin hair voodoo cow pasture magic turned them into miracles.


I get this perspective and before the game, sure, you could say that.

However, once we have around a 98+% chance of losing a game, there’s no other way to describe the win but a miracle that probably shouldn’t have happened. We could play both of those situations over again each year for the next 100 years and possibly not see a win in any of our lifetimes. The fact that it happened in back to back road games is absolutely insane.
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I agree with just about everything you said but honestly we were very close to winning that Natty. I believe we had the lead in the 4th and shot ourselves in the foot in the red zone all night. BY made plays to win games all year that were closer than the experts thought.


Yes, we were. But we didn’t lose it on a miracle comeback the way we won the IB to squeak into the playoffs. We never should have won the 2021 and 2023 IBs, but it was glorious watching us do it! (And the AU fan’s reactions :lol:)
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Also I don’t think he can legally move out of the state of Alabama until his youngest daughter turns 18 per the terms of his divorce. She’s like 12 or 13


Then I feel good about the next 5ish years, assuming they don’t change the stipulations when she turns 16 or something. We are very blessed to have him and I hope we can continue to support him as long as he remains.

I’m still holding out hope that he’ll want to leave a legacy at Bama that is significantly bigger than anything he could do elsewhere, and that he can bring home a ‘ship before leaving the program.
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Mac Jones won't be the last ever first time starting QB to win a title in the history of the sport.


Agreed, because statistical outliers by definition will happen given enough data points. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on a statistical outlier if I were you, but to each his own.


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Bryce almost repeated it the very next year and the reason he didn't had nothing to do with him being a first year starter.


Bryce was a miracle last 2.5 minutes of the Iron Bowl away from not even sniffing the playoffs. All the AU RB had to do was fall down inbounds, and we don’t make the playoffs. He also was very close to losing a few other games to bad teams that year, and all of that was with the GOAT as the coach. He was a lot closer to never making the playoffs in 2021 than he was to winning a NC (short memory Bama fans only remember the 2021 postseason and forget what happened in the regular season).



Here are just a few things that have changed in the short 4 years since Bryce was a first year starter:

1) the number of teams with a 20mm roster has increased somewhere between 500% and infinity/undefined (don’t think there was even a single 20mm roster in Bryce’s day, but maybe 1 or 2)

2) the price tag on individual positions, especially experienced QBs, has increased 300+%

3) the depth at Bama and every other top P4 team has gotten significantly more shallow. 2 and 3 deeps aren’t what they used to be for Bama, UGA, OSU, etc.

4) zero of the 8 teams who made the semis in the past 2 years had 1st year starters at QB

5) 3 of the 4 teams that made the semis this year have never made the semis ever before…2 of the 4 had never even made a playoff before. This wasn’t the case in Bryce’s day when the same 5-6 teams were cycling through the playoffs year after year with 1 outlier from time to time.

6) the team favored by over a TD to win the NC this year was the “losing-est” team in the history of college football prior to their current coach arriving 2 years ago. That kind of turnaround would never have been possible even just 4 years ago.

7) last years NC lost 2 games including a home game to an unranked 7-5 rival before tearing through the playoff field. This year a team playing for the NC was assumed by Vegas to not even make the expanded 12 team playoff before edging out ND who had -1600 odds to make it prior to the announcement. They have losses to SMU and Louisville. 4 years ago, both of those teams would have been laughed at in terms of winning a NC.

I could go on, but it’s actually quite funny to watch a couple posters claim “college football is ruined” out of one side of their mouth and “college football hasn’t changed much since Bryce” out of the other side. They don’t even realize they’re contradicting themselves and it’s great entertainment for some of us who pay attention.
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If you think we have no shot before even seeing the 2026 version of Bama play then why even watch?


That’s already been covered in this thread. Anyone who would stop watching their team once they’ve lost the chance at a NC is the very definition of a fair weather fan. I’m not one of those (I traveled to every game in the 7-5 Franchione year while in college, home, away, and freezing bowl game against Seneca Wallace…NC’s are great, but the lack of it won’t make me stop watching).

Believe what you want. I just prefer to be grounded in reality and the reality is that the Mac Jones 2020 season isn’t going to be repeated anytime soon given how things have changed. Be angry, downvote, call names or whatever else some of these posters want to do, but it won’t change reality.
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Oats is not leaving Alabama for another college Job. If he leaves it will be for the NBA


You may be right, but the NBA schedule is way worse than college and I don’t think the money is that different. As his youngest daughter approaches upper high school, the blue bloods become significantly more of an issue in my opinion.
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Gotta either hit the portal or start a freshman and try to keep him upright for three seasons.


Exactly, or at the very least, play a guy for 2 years each time alternating a 1st year starter and a 2nd year starter. You’d at least have an opportunity to compete for a NC in 50% of the seasons.

The roster is shaping up nicely other than young QB and young OL (assuming we get depth at WR). However we will have a ceiling this year whether people want to admit it or not. Hopefully we can keep whoever starts this year and make a run at it next year.