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re: From TCU admin on Patterson poss. leaving TCU
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/9/11 at 6:16 pm to Books
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Listed time and again and what's your guess on the point of the OP? That's from a biased source and is basically in agreement that he very well may leave bc of what LSU offers over tcu
And the evidence backing your Peterson/Stanford claim? Again, I've heard they reached out, but that's all I know (not to mention it means nothing).
Until I read something from a source who is actually quoted with a name, and therefore validated as being close to Patterson and/or the hypothetical LSU offering of a job, I'll reserve comments on rumors meant to refute what I'm arguing - because until then, that's precisely what the are....rumors.
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re: From TCU admin on Patterson poss. leaving TCU
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/9/11 at 6:08 pm to DeltaDoc
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(1) the SEC
(2) Saturday night in Death Valley
(3) one of the best fanbases in the nation (when you win).
(4) really good compensation, and
(5) at least two more years of Tyrann Mathieu
Good points. Here are my thoughts....
1. Hands down the best conf in the land, but also the toughest. If a coach's goal is to win a BCSNC (and not solely consider coaching at "the next level" as argued by some here), then one could argue it's more of a deterrent for someone in GP's position than it is a positive.
2. No doubt - big advantage for LSU.
3. You said it yourself - great fan base, but extremely tough (b/c we have high standards). But certainly a positive.
4. TCU can and will pay whatever it takes. This is a wash at best.
5. Very true.
re: From TCU admin on Patterson poss. leaving TCU
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/9/11 at 5:51 pm to Books
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But u didn't argue ALL the objective points, only ones that ignored lsu's advantages; which a lot of objective observers would likely say outweigh all that tcu has. It was said time and again that he's not leaving. Peterson is looking at stanford as we speak
Of course I didn't - I'm arguing why it's not likely. Not the other way around. That's YOUR job on this post. So wow me. What are the objective reasons which counter those I've provided here, and others on the board today that you've attempted to discard? And PS, don't use money - TCU has plenty of cash, and will pay whatever it takes to keep Patterson. The stakes are just too high not to.
As for Peterson, I've heard his name mentioned in association with Stanford, but seen nothing on the web that indicates he's seriously entertaining an offer. Please provide link. Even if he is, it only furthers my point....it's all about the state of affairs TODAY. Peterson just went to a second tier bowl, and he made what proved to be a bad chess move switching to the MWC, only to see Utah and TCU jump for greener pastures within months. Factors that might lead a coach to finally think about moving up. Not even close to the factors Gary Patterson is facing at the moment.
re: From TCU admin on Patterson poss. leaving TCU
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/9/11 at 4:49 pm to Books
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Apparently accd to a lot of ppl here Patterson is TCU's Joe Pa
Curious if there are links you can provide where ranters either claimed that Patterson was "never ever leaving" (as you claimed on the other Patterson post), or that he's TCU's Joe Pa. The vast majority of level-headed posts I've seen thus far have merely argued that, when you consider all of the objective elements of THIS moment in time, it's unlikely that he leaves TCU in 2011. That's it. If they hadn't just won the Rose Bowl, or they weren't moving to the Big East, or they weren't about to play in a brand new $100M stadium, or Patterson hadn't built that program with his own two hands...if any of these factors weren't in play, the probability of Patterson moving to LSU in 2011 would be higher. But that's not the case. Doesn't mean it won't be different in future years - just means that's the state of affairs today. Period.
And if it's so impossible for you to comprehend, how can you explain Peterson staying at Boise all these years, while some of the biggest gigs in college football have been draped in front of him.....Notre Dame, Michigan, Florida, USC...
But as a few wise ranters have said in other posts today, certainly no reason why Joe shouldn't give it a shot. But it's not the direction I'd spin the wheels for more than a conversation or two.
re: Does anyone actually think Patterson would leave TCU?
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/9/11 at 3:56 pm to Books
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He's getting leftovers in TX even if he does get to recruit there
Note my use of FUTURE tense. He won't be pulling leftovers when the move to a BCS conf. Again, a fact that Patterson knows.
re: Does anyone actually think Patterson would leave TCU?
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/9/11 at 3:35 pm to Tiger Authority
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Spell his name correctly once and I'll give you an ounce of credibility.
Patterson.
re: Does anyone actually think Patterson would leave TCU?
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/9/11 at 3:26 pm to Tiger Authority
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Winning or competing in the Big East each year will never be enough for a coach at some point. They'll want another challenge. Just look at the coaches that have left the Big East.
Two things: (1) how many of those coaches could recruit in TX, and how many made a legitimate run at a NC. Paterson knows he'll do both. (2) Your statement would be somewhat valid if Paterson were in the Big East NOW...he's not. He won't be until 2012. So if he goes to the Big East and wins, and IF the Tigers are looking for a new coach in say 5 or 6 years, then your post will make sense at that time. Until then....
re: Does anyone actually think Patterson would leave TCU?
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/9/11 at 3:20 pm to DEG
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He's about to log more travel miles than just about any other team in the country when they move to the Big East. I'd leave yesterday with their pending travel schedule
I'm guessing you're unaware of the fact that they currently play in the Mountain West - traveling to Wyoming, Nevada, Colorado, and Utah. None of their conf opponents are in closer states. Travel is not a concern of Patersons.
re: Does anyone actually think Patterson would leave TCU?
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/9/11 at 3:13 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Aside from the top 5 preseason comment (they're losing a ton of sr's, so they'll fall in the 2011 polls), I agree wholeheartedly. He's paid well, and he's incredibly loyal to the school - he views that program as the child that he reared, and I don't see him leaving at the precise moment that the child peaks. Also, putting the prestige of coaching LSU aside, he knows he has a much higher prability maintaining success and making it to the NC game in the Big East. He'll be recruiting and ultimately coaching Texas talent, playing against east coast talent. No-brainer.
Patterson stays.
Patterson stays.
re: Anybody think this TCU Defense is way overrated? LSU is better!
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/2/11 at 8:55 pm to Mayhawman
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I don't believe they would have had the depth to do so well in the SEC. I would expect 2-3 losses vs SEC schedule. Good coaching will take a team only so far. The scheme will be found out and talent will prevail.
Now THIS makes sense, and I agree 100%. I also think that this could be said for virtually every non-SEC team over the last few years that had 1 or 0 losses (including Oregon this year). Again, it doesn't mean that TCU, or Oregon, or Texas, or others weren't damn good teams. It simply means they may not have finished so well had they endured the hell of the SEC.
re: Anybody think this TCU Defense is way overrated? LSU is better!
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/2/11 at 7:25 pm to archercurley
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I think that EVERY analyst and every coach thinks exactly as you do
Congrats - that's the first sensible statement you've made.
Btw, I don't care about TCU or Wisconsin anymore than I care about a cricket team in Egypt. I love LSU, but I hate it when fans of any school/conference arrogantly argue that only THEIR team, or THEIR conference is worthy. SEC is the best and strongest conference - hands down. But that doesn't mean that there aren't strong teams in other conferences - even those arbitrarily dubbed "non AQ" by the 85 year-old good ole boy college football gods.
re: Best bars to go out Thursday night in Dallas?
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/2/11 at 7:14 pm to TEXASTIGER22
Your best bet is to stay in the area of McKinney Ave. - uptown Dallas. Use the corner of McKinney and Pearl as your reference point. The W is a good call (and they have an Acura shuttle that will drive you around the downtown/uptown area for free), but if you can shell out the dough, Hotel Zaza is the place to be. The bar (Dragonfly) is sick, and it's right by a ton of bars on McKinney. Can't go wrong in that area.
re: Anybody think this TCU Defense is way overrated? LSU is better!
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/2/11 at 7:02 pm to archercurley
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If you think that game last night proves you have a right to the National Championship the you have been smoking a bunch of grass.
Brilliant retort.
Go back and tell me where I made any argument that TCU has a "right" to the NC. I'll save you the time - I didn't. I simply refuted the unjustifiable BS you were slinging about how underrated Wisconsin is, and/or how overrated TCU is. Not only is it laced with stupidity, but it flies in the face of what EVERY analyst and coach believes about those two programs. But you know what....now that I think about it, I'm sure your coaching experience and thorough analyses of collegegiate players and teams far outweighs theirs. Someone needs to send espn a memo.
And btw, since you brought it up, I don't think ANY team has the natural right to a NC. But I think EVERY team has the right to fairly compete for that NC - and until this retarded BCS system is abolished, we'll never get there.
re: Anybody think this TCU Defense is way overrated? LSU is better!
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/2/11 at 6:07 pm to archercurley
Just curious, but how many TCU games did you watch this year? How many Wisconsin games? Try not to lie when you answer that question.
Make whatever idiotic comments you want, but here's the bottom line: TCU had no turnovers. No major penalties. They reached the red zone twice, and scored each time. They held a Big 10 champion (the conference that MOST analysts called the second strongest, behind the SEC) to 19 points - and this was a team that averaged 48 points per game in 2010.
And your argument of "they lost to this team, who lost to that team, who beat this other team" is moronic. Virginia Tech lost to a 6-5 James Madison, AND Boise State (who lost to Nevada). But they won their conference, are playing in a BCS game, and are a strong football team. And how about Carolina? Beat Bama, but lost to Kentucky and FSU. does that tell me ANYTHING about the Clemson team they beat 29-7? Of course not.
But this is all common sense and logic - elements that are completely lost on you.
Make whatever idiotic comments you want, but here's the bottom line: TCU had no turnovers. No major penalties. They reached the red zone twice, and scored each time. They held a Big 10 champion (the conference that MOST analysts called the second strongest, behind the SEC) to 19 points - and this was a team that averaged 48 points per game in 2010.
And your argument of "they lost to this team, who lost to that team, who beat this other team" is moronic. Virginia Tech lost to a 6-5 James Madison, AND Boise State (who lost to Nevada). But they won their conference, are playing in a BCS game, and are a strong football team. And how about Carolina? Beat Bama, but lost to Kentucky and FSU. does that tell me ANYTHING about the Clemson team they beat 29-7? Of course not.
But this is all common sense and logic - elements that are completely lost on you.
re: Anybody think this TCU Defense is way overrated? LSU is better!
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/2/11 at 4:38 pm to fightingsaint3
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God No.
Virtually every coach, sports writer, commentator, and run-of-the-mill college football fan in America disagrees with you. You sound like every other idiot who said "Wisconsin will crush TCU", only to now say "Wisconsin is way overrated". I'll bet you didn't even watch more than 10 mins of that game. But regardless, open your eyes and realize that it's perfectly fine to love and support the Tigers and SEC, while also respecting a well-coached, disciplined, very strong TCU team.
It's idiotic comments like this (and similar ones made on this thread) that make us LSU fans and Louisianians look so damn foolish.
re: For those that Criticize Players...I have this!!!
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 9/13/10 at 12:23 pm to BamaScoop
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Think about that and then ask yourself, "what the frick have I ever done?"
Good point that all ranters should consider. But interestingly, I think it's the post you made on a different thread that is a bit more impactful: when coaches start listening to the directives of fans, they're destined to soon be sitting with those same fans in the stands.
I, too, was frustrated with JJ's play on Sat night. But I also know three things: (1) I'm not a coach, and I haven't been watching these kids play for months/years from the sidelines; (2) I was equally - if not far more so - frustrated with JL's play when he was given plenty of opportunities; and (3) I saw only one pass from JL on Sat night - certainly not enough for me to suddenly anoint him as the re-born NFL-quality QB that so many others seem convinced he has become.
In short, the coaches on the field clearly see something week in and week out that we do not.
As always, good thoughts from an unbiased BamaScoop.
re: Warning to those who are tearing down our players...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 9/6/10 at 1:26 pm to Chicken
As always, well said Chicken.
re: Riddle me this Rant...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 9/6/10 at 9:24 am to BOSCEAUX
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Fixed after one bad season.
Fixed? I'd say better, but not fixed. We finished the season with the 26th ranked defense (6th out of SEC teams). Better? Yes. Respectable? Yes. But given the fact that we allowed last year's 108th ranked offense to drop 436 yards - including 412 in the air - I wouldn't say "fixed" just yet. I'm not knocking Chavis...just think we should be careful with the Chavis fist bumps and high-fives this early.
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I honestly do think keeping Crowten could be the biggest mistake Les has ever made though.
HIRING Crowten was the biggest mistake Les has ever made.
re: Riddle me this Rant...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 9/6/10 at 8:50 am to BOSCEAUX
BOSCEAUX, neither Bama nor UF finished with one of the worst offenses in the country last year. Neither Bama nor UF finished with one of the worst defenses in the country the previous year. You're taking anger and frustration that spans across two seasons, and trying to isolate it to ONE scary (and somewhat poorly coached) opening game. Your analogy doesn't work. Let me draw a parallel: Mike has a wife who's been cheating on him for 2 years. All of his friends know it, and they've been screaming "leave her" for those 2 years. And then on Saturday night, she goes to the mall and drops $1000 on a new Gucci bag. Along comes his supportive friend, BOSCEAUX, who says "well Nick and Bob's wives spent a ton of money on Saturday at the mall too -- I guess they should leave their wives". But Nick and Bob's wives haven't been cheating on them for 2 years.
Not rant logic...flawed logic.
Not rant logic...flawed logic.
"Very significant quarterback player"
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 6/22/10 at 1:15 pm
"Miles said Lee is a 'potential first-round draft pick at quarterback. He's a very significant quarterback player.'"
What exactly is a "quarterback player"? Is that a QB who pulls a ton of arse?
LINK
What exactly is a "quarterback player"? Is that a QB who pulls a ton of arse?
LINK
re: Just got another Lab...need a baseball name...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 4/12/10 at 2:50 pm to TigerFan55555
How about Alex (for Alex Box). Call her Allie for short.
re: Unlike the whiners at Georgia
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/8/10 at 11:18 am to C Lafong
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This is Bama's day. No other news should be made which could take away from their accomplishment.
Good post, C Lafong, but it's not really the same thing. Don't get me wrong...we easily forget how irate we were when UGA's President, Michael Adams, discredited LSU's NC by claiming (the very next day) that the system was broken, UGA got screwed, etc. But that was an attack on the very championship that we'd just won - it wasn't a personnel change. I would personally have no issue if Crowton - or anyone else for that matter - appropriately lost their job today. I don't think it would take away from Bama's win in any way.
re: Question for the average/ignorant "LSU" fan...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/7/10 at 6:13 pm to ZoTiger6
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Couldn't agree more Chazz!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. Even after all the evidence to the contrary surfaces, we still have to endure this idiocy. ZoTiger, read this link (aptly posted by SeattleTiger19), and then maybe re-think your post:
LINK
re: Question for the average/ignorant "LSU" fan...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/7/10 at 5:02 pm to SeattleTiger19
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SeattleTiger19
Nice link and breakdown. I'm still wondering where the genius who started this ridiculous thread (Chazz was his handle, I believe) has now buried his head. No response from him in about 90 posts.
Some people should learn to read and think before they learn to type.
I hate Bama, but I have to say....Roll Tide.
re: Question for the average/ignorant "LSU" fan...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/7/10 at 4:10 pm to harry4lsu
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Present rules allow 25 signees per year. How many can ALa sign each year. Bama's win will not hurt LSU recruiting. Being part of the BEST Conference in America will help LSU recruiting.
Precisely. Well said, Harry.
re: Question for the average/ignorant "LSU" fan...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/7/10 at 4:09 pm to Books
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I'm sayin Saban having a second title at another school helps him that much more recruiting.
I don't disagree with you on this point, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who would. But here's the flaw as it relates to your overall argument: Saban's recruiting efforts being positively affected by a win would really matter if he consistantly recruiting within the 5-10 rankings. But he already pulls down top 3 recuriing classes (last year's was #1), so how much more is a win going to MATERIALLY improve his recruiting? Not a ton - it simply can't. He recruits too well as it is. So therefore, why not root for Bama to win (because Saban is going to pull down top 3 recruiting classes every year regardless), and enjoy the benefit it brings to the conference, and by extension, LSU?
I get that I'm not going to change your mind here, but seriously dude, look at it objectively, and without your hatred of Bama blocking your view (I HATE Bama too, btw).
re: Question for the average/ignorant "LSU" fan...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/7/10 at 3:53 pm to Books
Sorry, I just can't let you get away with nonsense.
Correct, but 4 straight titles is considerably more impressive than 3.
Please explain to me why this is the case. Is Alabama awarded with 1 extra player on offense and defense as a result of winning? Do they get fewer games on their schedule as a result of winning? Do they get 6 attempts to make a 1st down as a result of winning? How exactly does a Bama win make it harder to beat them in the future? Did it make it that much harder for the teams in '08 to beat us after our NC? What about Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, etc. over USC the years following their NC?
If your argument is recruiting, you might as well save your breath (or typing fingers). Saban is going to put together top 5 classes year in and year out whether he wins tonight or not. He's proven it too many times to refute that point.
So again, I ask....why will it be so much harder to beat Bama if they win a NC game?
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a loss wont' take away from three straight titles
Correct, but 4 straight titles is considerably more impressive than 3.
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Care more ab LSU winning ball games and that's harder to do w/ bama winning a NC
Please explain to me why this is the case. Is Alabama awarded with 1 extra player on offense and defense as a result of winning? Do they get fewer games on their schedule as a result of winning? Do they get 6 attempts to make a 1st down as a result of winning? How exactly does a Bama win make it harder to beat them in the future? Did it make it that much harder for the teams in '08 to beat us after our NC? What about Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, etc. over USC the years following their NC?
If your argument is recruiting, you might as well save your breath (or typing fingers). Saban is going to put together top 5 classes year in and year out whether he wins tonight or not. He's proven it too many times to refute that point.
So again, I ask....why will it be so much harder to beat Bama if they win a NC game?
re: Question for the average/ignorant "LSU" fan...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/7/10 at 3:31 pm to Books
Now you're getting better. Nice job.
My turn.
If the SEC's rep is "not on the line tonight", then answer me this: When was the last time that 4 National Championships were won by 3 different conference schools, over 4 consecutive years? Doesn't that sound much better than 2 different conference schools winning over 4 consecutive years? Assuming the answer to that question is yes, wouldn't an Alabama win strengthen the SEC rep, just on this fact alone?
My turn.
If the SEC's rep is "not on the line tonight", then answer me this: When was the last time that 4 National Championships were won by 3 different conference schools, over 4 consecutive years? Doesn't that sound much better than 2 different conference schools winning over 4 consecutive years? Assuming the answer to that question is yes, wouldn't an Alabama win strengthen the SEC rep, just on this fact alone?
re: Question for the average/ignorant "LSU" fan...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/7/10 at 3:24 pm to Books
I didn't ask about your other posts - I asked you to refute any of the points I made.
re: Question for the average/ignorant "LSU" fan...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/7/10 at 3:21 pm to Books
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yeah...no
Intelegent and creative, all at the same time.
Why don't you try telling me what's inaccurate about what I wrote. A smiley face and the words "yeah...no" isn't very challenging.....
re: Question for the average/ignorant "LSU" fan...
Posted by DallasTigerFan on 1/7/10 at 3:15 pm to Chazz Reinhold
This is why I love blogs - because they allow people to blend opinion and fact, and hope that no one recognizes the difference.
Fact of the matter is that the only benefit that can come from this game (as it relates to the Tigers) is if Bama wins, and the perception of the SEC being a dominant conference continues. Period. Whether Bama wins or not, they're still going to be incredibly difficult to recruit against - they've been to the SECCG two years in a row, won 1 of those games, and they have arguably the best recruiter in all of college football. So understanding that their ability to recruit strongly will be marginally effected by tonight's outcome, why would you not prefer for them to win, in hopes that LSU - as a member of the SEC conference - would derive SOME benefit from that win? It's absurd.
Look at it this way: If Bama wins, it continues to paint the SEC as a dominant conference. Those perceptions are what help influence the arbitrary ranking systems that place teams ahead of other teams early in the season. Thus a Bama win helps ALL SEC schools - even those that only play the higher ranked SEC teams, but don't fall into the early top 25 polls themselves.
Opinion separated from Fact.
Fact of the matter is that the only benefit that can come from this game (as it relates to the Tigers) is if Bama wins, and the perception of the SEC being a dominant conference continues. Period. Whether Bama wins or not, they're still going to be incredibly difficult to recruit against - they've been to the SECCG two years in a row, won 1 of those games, and they have arguably the best recruiter in all of college football. So understanding that their ability to recruit strongly will be marginally effected by tonight's outcome, why would you not prefer for them to win, in hopes that LSU - as a member of the SEC conference - would derive SOME benefit from that win? It's absurd.
Look at it this way: If Bama wins, it continues to paint the SEC as a dominant conference. Those perceptions are what help influence the arbitrary ranking systems that place teams ahead of other teams early in the season. Thus a Bama win helps ALL SEC schools - even those that only play the higher ranked SEC teams, but don't fall into the early top 25 polls themselves.
Opinion separated from Fact.
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