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it’s “you guys this”


You're right.

Calling you guys is a bit of a compliment.

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You can read a room like Stevie Wonder.


Lmao, you'd worship Stevie Wonder if he said something remotely conservative or criticized Democrats.

Then the backtracking would begin when he would criticize Trump.



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Why would that be clear? You've prattled on about the economy and law that you don't understand, with your ideas of how things should be.



Hmm... you tried arguing that refusing service based on political beliefs breach federal laws and then tried arguing the fact that we have a mixed economy means this isn't allowed.

I'm not sure you understand laws of any kind.

In any case, this indeed is getting boring and it's idiotic because you don't seem to be understanding why your comment was idiotic.

Have a good day.
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Does it hurt to be that fricking stupid? If so, that would explain your prescription drugs, and the prescription drugs would explain your post.


Lmao, I guess some people don't want to hear the truth.

Next, you're going to tell me that this board wasn't loving Elon like a month back yet people have largely cooled on him since then.
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That was idiotic.


From context, I thought it would be pretty clear that I meant anyone other than protected characteristics set by government.

I didn't think I would need to specify the anyone *except characteristics that the federal government protects.*
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You can whine about the way things ought to be all you want. When you get out of college and into the real world, you'll get it.


I mean that is how it is.

Refusing service based on politics doesn't breach state and federal law so yes, great rebuttal.

It's happened several times in the past so that IS how the real world works.

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Even in this story, the venue has moved the show to somewhere else so political beliefs have clearly influenced who they give service to.

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And this is why no one is taking you seriously.


You tried arguing that federal and state laws prevented venues from refusing service based on political beliefs.

Freer markets mean that businesses and consumers have the right to give their money/services to whoever they choose provided that it doesn't breach federal laws (external characteristics + religion).

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Until then, I'd recommend you listen more and talk less.


Once again, great rebuttal.
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Wouldn't a "free market" mean that people who don't like chappelle simply don't buy a ticket?



It's both.

1. Venues can refuse service or move service based on politics or beliefs that aren't religion according to federal law (although I personally. think religious discrimination should be allowed because it's a belief at the end of the day).

2. Customers who don't like Chappelle can not buy tickets.

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Regardless, seems like more of a freedom of speech issue than "free market".


'Freedom of speech' just means Chappelle has the right to say what he wants without government persecution. It doesn't mean a venue has to host him or give him a platform.

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We don't have a free market economy. We have a mixed economy. We also have state and federal law.


Us having a mixed economy doesn't mean that markets shouldn't be free as possible. A market can be relatively free and it's what we should be advocating for.

I'm not sure how anything you've said argues against what I'm saying.

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You're talking out of your arse.


No, you are. I'm arguing that markets should be free as possible so nobody should have a problem with venues refusing service. I'm saying we *should* have as free markets as possible.

I'm not sure how having a mixed economy is inconsistent with being okay with venues refusing service to anyone they choose. Just because markets aren't pure free markets doesn't mean we shouldn't be okay with as much freedom as possible.

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We also have state and federal law.


Refusing service based on politics doesn't breach state and federal law so yes, great rebuttal.

Well done - you once again demonstrated you have got no idea what you're talking about.

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It's more than you deserved with the idiotic things you've said in this thread.


Once again, you need to point out how anything I've said is stupid.

Let me break it down for you.

1. Free markets mean that people should be allowed to sell their services to anyone they choose.

2. Venues are a service. They have the right to choose who can use their venue.

3. Shows can be fully booked - that doesn't mean shows have the right to use a venue if the venue no longer wants to host them or refuses to host them in the first place. Shows themselves have the right to cancel tickets if they can't find a venue. A show isn't venue-specific.

You're the only one here who has not provided any sort of argument against it. At this point, this is exhausting because you'll no doubt fail at arguing against it
It's fricking comical.

You guys worship celebrities/idols.

You guys are so desperate for approval from billionaires, celebrities, singers and any 'elites' that you put them on a pedestal any time they remotely say something conservative.

See threads practically adoring Elon Musk and the quick turn-around when he criticized Trump. Democrats don't worship celebrities anywhere near the same extent - if one happens to vote Republican, there are countless other celebrities that openly say they're a Democrat so it doesn't matter too much to most Democrats.



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Mental gymnastics on full display


No, it's consistency.

Either you're in favor of free markets or not.

The venue is providing a service and hence should be allowed to refuse entry/refuse to provide the service of providing a place to host an event.

They should refund money to anyone who they refuse service too BUT it would be a part of the agreement people both viewing the show + people who booked the venue signed.

If America wanted, we could have scorched Vietnam and Afghanistan.

America was trying to occupy Afghanistan and not kill everyone in Vietnam. There's a massive difference here.

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Can’t impact prices



My point is, if he impacts prices, he can just as well claim that he brought prices down i.e. releasing oil from reserves, approving leases, speaking to oil CEOs etc.

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Because they’ve been tirelessly claiming a president can’t affect prices for 2 years now? (While also simultaneously blaming Putin)




But you guys have been claiming that the President DOES affect prices.

So using your own logic, Biden deserves the credit for oil prices dropping.

Aren't you doing the exact same thing here?
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I haven’t read through this thread. Doesn’t need to be a war. Several strategic incidents of operators doing surgical operator shite, and they’ll see that the constitutionalists mean business, and they’ll be ready to sit down at the table . The right is soft but the left is EXPONENTIALLY weaker.


This has got to be a parody.

This board says the left controls institutions, academia, the CIA/FBI, corporations, elites and therefore could not be described as weak. Heck, even 43% of veterans voted for Biden and I suspect a similar percentage serving did so.

Even major weapon manufacturers like Boeing and Raytheon largely donated to Biden in 2020. I'm not sure the left is as weak as you seem to be suggesting.

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Wildly speculating that there MUST be something nefarious happening because a family that has been in the hotel business for decades and often appears with politicians, appears with a politician announcing a hotel. Vs. emails that document clear corruption are the same thing is silly.


1. These emails haven't been verified by any 3rd party organization. As far as I'm concerned, they're not even admissible anywhere. You were speaking of law implications earlier - these emails would not be admissible anywhere.

2. Doing business while Trump is president is the definition of appearance of impropriety.

3. I don't give a damn about either Trump or Biden's corruptions.

4. The American people voted out Trump so I guess more people saw it my way.
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So you’re that scammer the hacker busted. Also from Jaipur, India. Makes sense. Troll on.


I'm not in Jaipur you moron.

Me having an investment in a development there doesn't make me from Jaipur but go on.

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Yeah because that’s worked out so well in the past for other service companies such as the bakers in Colorado who didn’t want to bake the cake for the gay wedding.


The bakers should be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for the gay wedding.

I'm not sure who you're arguing against here.
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Dems and Reps are 180 degrees apart. He isn't hanging from dem if the GOP guy is nice.


I supported pretty much every Republican other than Trump.

Trump was just a step too far and I've found myself drifting towards Democrats.

I'm not sure why you'd think I wouldn't change if the GOP guy was Mitt Romney (heck, I supported Mitt Romney).
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So you agree with Eric Trump?



I agree that any appearance of impropriety has to be investigated.

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Not true and you know it.


Why would I say it if I 'knew' the opposite was true?
The venue itself is a service.

It can refuse entry to anyone or refuse to host a show or heck, move a show to another venue.

The show itself is sold out but the venue itself has the right to refuse service.
Eh.. it's the free market in action.

As long as government isn't blocking him from accessing venues, I've got no issue with venues blocking people based on their beliefs.

If a Trump-supporting venue wants to block Biden supporters, it's their economic right (as much as it's a bad business decision).

Customers should vote with their feet and not visit the club in punishment. It's the same with that baker case - that baker had every right to refuse service and I'm not going to hear otherwise.

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Now who is moving the goal posts?


I talked about it like a few pages back? That's literally what Eric Trump tweeted.

And as I keep stating, I don't think there was corruption. I'm just pointing out that there is just as much an appearance of impropriety for Hunter Biden versus the Trump brothers.
My comment (that you originally responded to):

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Foreign world leaders of large countries (>$1 trillion GDP) attending business events with the Trump organization? If you do so, I'll take back my words.


Where exactly am I moving the goal posts? I've been pretty consistent.

In any case, I'm not too bothered by the meetings as I keep saying. I don't think they should have happened while Trump was president BUT just as with Hunter Biden, it's the job of voters to determine whether Trump/Biden are suitable candidates.

I don't think there was corruption in either Biden or Trump's case BUT there definitely is the appearance of impropriety.

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Did you see my post about ivanka and edrogan?



Yes, I saw your post.

I asked for a world leader, you gave me the leader of a country with a GDP barely larger than Sweden. Turkey has a GDP less than $750 billion.

And in any case, as Eric Trump said, it's 'the appearance of impropriety' that matters much like in the case of Hunter Biden.



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I was assured by the 23 year old socialist who likely has never left North America that this never ever happens, and if it does - its clear evidence of corruption.


I'm not sure where you got that I was:

a) 23 years old

b) A socialist

c) Have never left North America - I said I own a flat in Jaipur, India so either you can't read or you missed it completely.

I'm probably the most right-wing person on economics I know so I find that laughable.

I want low taxes, less regulation, less spending, no corporate tax, no income tax, a VAT and to gut social security completely. I'm in favor of profit-driven economic systems i.e capitalism.

I'm vocally anti-tariffs and anti-protectionism. If that's a socialist, I'm really not sure what you'd define a capitalist to be.

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But not crack. Crack shouldnt even be illegal bro.


Yes? Economic freedom means the freedom to buy drugs. Entirely consistent here.

And Turkey's GDP is $720 billion. I asked for a large country, not a country with a GDP barely bigger than Sweden.
These are just my opinions (on how I view an issue as being cultural vs economic). You're more than welcome to disagree and I won't argue it.

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universal health care


Economic issue, not cultural. Health savings versus Health costs. I'm not in favor of UHC but for me, healthcare is an economic issue, not cultural.

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protecting public education


Wouldn't agree this is cultural but economic. Public education is about educating labor.

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climate change


Economic issue, not cultural.

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LGBTQ/gender issues


Cultural but letting people do what they want regarding gender/sex/relationship seems to suggest the opposite of legislating culture, instead giving freedom to people who want to date who they want.

If a man wants to chop off his dick, that should be his right.

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cancelling student loan debt


Economic issue that I disagree with, not cultural.

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Title IX protections


Cultural but I don't have an opinion on this one.

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race relations (affirmative action, reparations)


No mainstream Democrat is advocating for reparations.

My view on this that affirmative action is an economic issue. Private institutions that are not funded by the state should be allowed to choose who they want (as long as they don't receive tax breaks for being a charity/government funding of any kind). Public institutions should not be allowed to implement any sort of affirmative action.

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so-called “clean” energy


Economic issue, not cultural.

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culturally “relevant” curriculum in schools


Cultural but not one that I'm particularly concerned with or think is happening. I think individual schools should have the right to teach what they want and parents have the right to vote with their feet (withdraw their kids from school districts).

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oversight of firearms


Cultural, this one is one I don't agree with Democrats on. Freedom should mean the freedom to own fire-arms.

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tuition-free higher education


Economic issue, not cultural.

I view most of these issues as being economic, not cultural and I've been pretty clear I disagree with Democrats economically.

The only cultural issue I think Democrats are particularly wrong on is firearms and affirmative action (to the extent that private sector institutions classed as charities and any institution receiving funding should not be allowed to use race in admissions.

Everything else I either view as economic or being free from a cultural restriction, not cultural freedom.
Because not all African-Americans and women vote for Democrats.

Of the African-Americans and women who are Democrats, 71% of approve of him. This is a much smaller group than all women/African-Americans.
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But polls tend to be off by like 7 points when it comes to Republicans when asked about them in general. They’ll be honest on their feelings about Biden, but it’s still bad to be an open Republican.



I think what happens is that Trump voters largely don't respond to polls so less Trump-y Republicans end up responding.

But the polls were fairly accurate when Trump was not on the ballot in 2018. It's only when Trump is on the ballot that polling is wrong.

I think Republicans will win by 5-6 points but that's pretty underwhelming considering how high inflation is. If inflation gets under control, I think Democrats can definitely win in 2024.
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It would be the quickest war on record. Liberals are pussies.



This board is so insane, it makes no sense.

Democrats somehow control academia, the FBI/CIA, institutions, corporations and the media (according to people on this sub).

Yet somehow, liberals are the stupid/weak ones (again, according to this sub). How exactly does that work?

If liberals are as weak as you say, how does this board reconcile that with the fact that this board also believes Democrats control every single institution and organization?