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Raistlins Apprentice
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re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 9/4/23 at 2:45 pm to Roaad
To be fair, it was Moiraine's belief that the dragon could be male or female, and she admitted to Suian that they knew basically nothing about the dragon. I think that was a case of them showinng aes sedai ignorance.
I know you arent watching anymore, but in one of the season 2 episodes Verin immediately connects the dragon with one of the boys Moiraine had with her and Verin would know much more than Moiraine.
But anyway, season 2 is a huge improvement so far, especially episodes 2 and 3 which are legit great episodes of television. Love the Rand/Selene dynamic in the show as it is so much more believable and compelling than the books. Love Elayne who they have cast and written perfectly so far. And I love this version of the Seanchan. Hopefully they can sustain the momentum and really start to build things up for season 3.
I know you arent watching anymore, but in one of the season 2 episodes Verin immediately connects the dragon with one of the boys Moiraine had with her and Verin would know much more than Moiraine.
But anyway, season 2 is a huge improvement so far, especially episodes 2 and 3 which are legit great episodes of television. Love the Rand/Selene dynamic in the show as it is so much more believable and compelling than the books. Love Elayne who they have cast and written perfectly so far. And I love this version of the Seanchan. Hopefully they can sustain the momentum and really start to build things up for season 3.
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re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 5/24/23 at 4:06 pm to luvdoc
Not exactly. They have it open-ended at the moment, but if you watch ep. 8 when it happens, its pretty clear that Ishy shields Moiraine and ties it off.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 5/24/23 at 1:24 pm to Raistlins Apprentice
Official Season 2 start date announced for September 1. Also some pictures released, including one with the Seanchan, Loial, and Ishy together? Guessing thats Falme after some capturings.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 4/25/23 at 1:20 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I think they mean that both books 2 and 3 feature very similar Rand/Ishy closing climaxes. There was no way we were ever getting 3 straight Rand/Ishy fights to end seasons. So that part makes perfect sense.
I think the big question is what the show does with the Stone of Tear. Alot of speculation that its getting moved to a later season post-Rhuidean.
But season 2 seems like a pretty clear setup at this point for most characters outside of Mat for obvious reasons. Egwene/Nyn are following their book 2 arc, Perrin is sort of a mashup of his books 2/3 arc with his season 1 Elyas teaching thrown in, Moiraine/Lan are getting expanded backstory to keep them involved, and Rand looks to be doing more book 3 arc than book 2, though it also probably will end up being a bit of both.
I think the big question is what the show does with the Stone of Tear. Alot of speculation that its getting moved to a later season post-Rhuidean.
But season 2 seems like a pretty clear setup at this point for most characters outside of Mat for obvious reasons. Egwene/Nyn are following their book 2 arc, Perrin is sort of a mashup of his books 2/3 arc with his season 1 Elyas teaching thrown in, Moiraine/Lan are getting expanded backstory to keep them involved, and Rand looks to be doing more book 3 arc than book 2, though it also probably will end up being a bit of both.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 4/24/23 at 11:58 am to Fun Bunch
New video dropped at JordanCon. Nothing major, just a few castings officially confirmed and some q and a.
Main thing was a look at Aviendha, Bain and Chiad in their maidens get up introducing themselves and using maiden hand talk. That part looked really good.
Also Jay Duffy who many speculated was playing Gawyn (or Galad) is actually Dain Bornhald which should play into Perrin's storyline in s2 and s3.
Still no date for s2, but more informed speculation that September/October is probably the date since Amazon will likely make that time period their annual Fantasy show with WoT and Rings of Power trading off years.
Main thing was a look at Aviendha, Bain and Chiad in their maidens get up introducing themselves and using maiden hand talk. That part looked really good.
Also Jay Duffy who many speculated was playing Gawyn (or Galad) is actually Dain Bornhald which should play into Perrin's storyline in s2 and s3.
Still no date for s2, but more informed speculation that September/October is probably the date since Amazon will likely make that time period their annual Fantasy show with WoT and Rings of Power trading off years.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 4/4/23 at 3:56 pm to Fun Bunch
Its not that odd actually. For one, there is a huge backlog with cgi stuff that is affecting every show like this. Shadow and Bone just came out with its season 2 on Netflix after a similar period of time. Same thing is projected to happen with House of the Dragon season 2. And part of the problem with WOT's last 2 episodes was the cgi was terrible because amazon rushed it onto their service because they were using it as a guinea pig for their LOTR show.
Anyway, if you follow those in the know on this, seems like Amazon is going to aim for September/October this year, which makes some sense from a timing standpoint.
Anyway, if you follow those in the know on this, seems like Amazon is going to aim for September/October this year, which makes some sense from a timing standpoint.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 4/3/23 at 11:42 pm to Boodis Man
Whatever you think of the show, the fact that it has brought so many new fans to the book series will always be a positive in the grand scheme of things.
Obviously, I also am still holding out hope the next couple seasons get a lot better.
Obviously, I also am still holding out hope the next couple seasons get a lot better.
re: Shadow & Bone season 2
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 3/19/23 at 2:52 am to Dam Guide
I enjoyed season 2 alot, though I can see how it might be a struggle if you arent familiar with the books as they throw alot of stuff at you throughout the season, including tons of teases and easter eggs. The Crows continue to kill it as a group, and Nikolai was handled really well. Excited to see what they do moving forward.
Also, just want to point out regarding the books, the Shadow and Bone trilogy is pretty much standard YA shlock, but the Six of Crows duology is fantastic, and the King of Scars duology is really good as well, especially at tying together the disparate characters from the previous stories.
Also, just want to point out regarding the books, the Shadow and Bone trilogy is pretty much standard YA shlock, but the Six of Crows duology is fantastic, and the King of Scars duology is really good as well, especially at tying together the disparate characters from the previous stories.
re: Mario Kart 8 - New tracks out
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 3/15/23 at 2:35 pm to i am dan
I mostly use Pink Gold Peach with the cat cruiser, although I like to mix in Red/Blue Yoshi on the Yoshi bike every now and then.
But I've gotten to where I dont race all that much, almost strictly battle mode for me.
But I've gotten to where I dont race all that much, almost strictly battle mode for me.
re: Mario Kart 8 - New tracks out
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 3/14/23 at 4:31 pm to i am dan
Also with this wave they added Birdo as a character, and there are at least 5 more ? characters to come, I guess in the next 2 waves. Or perhaps there might be some crossover with the Mario movie and they add someone from it.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 2/6/23 at 4:01 pm to Fun Bunch
There is almost no chance it will be worse. Even if everything else stays the same, the lack of covid shutdowns and losing a key actor in the middle of the season will ensure it rises above season 1 if only slightly.
But people who were much less excited about season 1 have been talking up season 2 as being much better, though who knows if that is worth anything.
Supposedly the rumor is that the show is probably dropping around May/June which means the trailer will probably drop in the March/April range.
But people who were much less excited about season 1 have been talking up season 2 as being much better, though who knows if that is worth anything.
Supposedly the rumor is that the show is probably dropping around May/June which means the trailer will probably drop in the March/April range.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 8/5/22 at 5:02 pm to iwyLSUiwy
This has not been my experience at all. Reddit seems to be much more pro-book, while not necessarily being as anti-show as like this site.
But there are plenty of people posting on reddit that didnt like the show so I'm not sure why that one poster would have been banned.
But there are plenty of people posting on reddit that didnt like the show so I'm not sure why that one poster would have been banned.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 8/5/22 at 5:00 pm to oauron
Books 7 and 8 are fine, the main problem is they were supposed to be one book that got split into 2 which means they are much slower than they should be.
Book 9 to me is wildly underrated, has some of the best sequences in the entire series.
The less said about book 10 the better. It is definitely the low point of the series.
Book 9 to me is wildly underrated, has some of the best sequences in the entire series.
The less said about book 10 the better. It is definitely the low point of the series.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 7/22/22 at 4:44 pm to luvdoc
Yeah, I get that it can be hard to believe this type of stuff but you can get clues from reading between the lines on these things and usually its not that out of whack with the end result.
For example, there were similar whispers before season 1 that were quite negative and ended up panning out so the fact that these same whispers are much more positive for season 2 does mean a little more than you might think. Also, the leaks are usually coming from people working on the show that arent necessarily committed to the show in any real way so they have no incentive to lie about these things. And usually if things are going poorly, they want to leak it and get out ahead of it to not be associated so strongly with it.
As to the specifics, I have heard the production values are supposed to be alot better for season 2. They got an expanded budget for season 2, plus they have much more time to do the VFX and stuff. Season 1 was rushed out by Amazon because they wanted a trial run for the Lord of the Rings show, which is why The Wheel of Time exists at all. Amazon used it as a training ground for directors, production staff, and just a general feel of doing a big fantasy tv show.
As for the source material question, thats more of a subjective thing. Of season 1's many problems, not following the source material closely enough would not rank in my top 10. The ultimate story of season 1 tracks pretty closely to book 1, with a couple of brief exceptions to flesh out certain story beats. But anyway, I would assume season 2 will probably follow season 1 from a structure standpoint. But thats pure speculation.
And while this board is very out on the show, the WOT fandom at large is much more split. There are still huge numbers of WOT fans who love the show, another group that were pretty meh on the show, and a group that hated it. Individual boards have a tendency to become hive mind groupthinks about various shows or whatever, so it depends on where you look.
For example, there were similar whispers before season 1 that were quite negative and ended up panning out so the fact that these same whispers are much more positive for season 2 does mean a little more than you might think. Also, the leaks are usually coming from people working on the show that arent necessarily committed to the show in any real way so they have no incentive to lie about these things. And usually if things are going poorly, they want to leak it and get out ahead of it to not be associated so strongly with it.
As to the specifics, I have heard the production values are supposed to be alot better for season 2. They got an expanded budget for season 2, plus they have much more time to do the VFX and stuff. Season 1 was rushed out by Amazon because they wanted a trial run for the Lord of the Rings show, which is why The Wheel of Time exists at all. Amazon used it as a training ground for directors, production staff, and just a general feel of doing a big fantasy tv show.
As for the source material question, thats more of a subjective thing. Of season 1's many problems, not following the source material closely enough would not rank in my top 10. The ultimate story of season 1 tracks pretty closely to book 1, with a couple of brief exceptions to flesh out certain story beats. But anyway, I would assume season 2 will probably follow season 1 from a structure standpoint. But thats pure speculation.
And while this board is very out on the show, the WOT fandom at large is much more split. There are still huge numbers of WOT fans who love the show, another group that were pretty meh on the show, and a group that hated it. Individual boards have a tendency to become hive mind groupthinks about various shows or whatever, so it depends on where you look.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 7/22/22 at 12:46 pm to Fun Bunch
I know most people on here seem to be out for good, but alot more smoke now that season 2 is going to be much better. First there was word among the crew, which must be taken with a grain of salt, but they all believe season 2 to be much better than season 1. Then there were rumors from people close to the show saying the same thing. Now it seems like amazon at least agrees to some extent with the early season 3 pickup.
We'll see soon enough, but I will now have some hope whenever the first 3 eps drop that things will be better.
We'll see soon enough, but I will now have some hope whenever the first 3 eps drop that things will be better.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 5/22/22 at 1:33 pm to biglego
I think its doable with enough money and resources, but most importantly, better creative.
As for Rand's internal stuff, that is definitely the hardest to translate, which is why they almost have to do something with Lews/Moiraine (post doorway) as someone Rand can have conversations with reflecting his mental state.
Certainly a tricky line to walk.
As for Rand's internal stuff, that is definitely the hardest to translate, which is why they almost have to do something with Lews/Moiraine (post doorway) as someone Rand can have conversations with reflecting his mental state.
Certainly a tricky line to walk.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 4/24/22 at 12:09 pm to spehog
No one has said anything officially about what happened with Mat, but the most persistent rumor is the actor refused to get vaccinated.
I'm sure it will come out at some point in the near future.
I'm sure it will come out at some point in the near future.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 4/23/22 at 1:31 pm to biglego
Is this disagreement? It is regarded by pretty much everyone that the casting was spot on and the clear strength of the show. Not sure how anyone can even argue that.
The show's problems were much more related to plot choices, adaptation choices, and the covid/actor leaving outside stuff.
The show's problems were much more related to plot choices, adaptation choices, and the covid/actor leaving outside stuff.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 4/22/22 at 8:05 pm to YumYum Sauce
I guess I shouldnt be, but I have to admit I'm surprised people are still getting upset about this. Its modern Hollywood, you have to either accept it or quit watching pretty much anything.
The casting was the best part of the show, and this girl was great in Killing Eve season 3, so I'm on board for this.
Besides, if we're being honest, this actually fits my head canon of Avi better than the traditional fandom. I just think its stupid if Aviendha looks so similar to Elayne, but then you randomly have Min as the 3rd love who looks nothing like either? Doesnt really make sense.
The casting was the best part of the show, and this girl was great in Killing Eve season 3, so I'm on board for this.
Besides, if we're being honest, this actually fits my head canon of Avi better than the traditional fandom. I just think its stupid if Aviendha looks so similar to Elayne, but then you randomly have Min as the 3rd love who looks nothing like either? Doesnt really make sense.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 1/12/22 at 2:22 pm to Midget Death Squad
Also, this is kind of telling in how subjective this stuff can be, but I've heard multiple Witcher fans who have read the books say that season 2 was a disaster and potentially ruined the show. I've only read the first witcher book and I enjoyed Season 1 and so far the first 2 eps of season 2, but you will always find people with opinions on each end of the spectrun with regards to book/show.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 1/12/22 at 2:20 pm to iwyLSUiwy
It may not be enough to save it overall, but hard to see how season 2 of WoT is not a massive improvement over season 1.
In general, shows improve from 1-2 the vast majority of the time, and isn't this Rafe's first real shot at actual showrunning? There should be improvement on these fronts without taking into account anything else.
But then you have the facts that season 1 dealt with 2 covid shutdowns that disrupted everything and also limited set stuff such as the Tarwin's Gap battle, plus the Barney Harris going AWOL which caused massive rewrites and necessary reshoots for 7 & 8. Season 2 filming has been going along smoothly and is almost finished, so the chance for the show to really make a leap is at least more than just wishful thinking.
I'll be watching all of season 2 at which point I think it will be clear where this show will end up and whether its worth following to the bitter end.
In general, shows improve from 1-2 the vast majority of the time, and isn't this Rafe's first real shot at actual showrunning? There should be improvement on these fronts without taking into account anything else.
But then you have the facts that season 1 dealt with 2 covid shutdowns that disrupted everything and also limited set stuff such as the Tarwin's Gap battle, plus the Barney Harris going AWOL which caused massive rewrites and necessary reshoots for 7 & 8. Season 2 filming has been going along smoothly and is almost finished, so the chance for the show to really make a leap is at least more than just wishful thinking.
I'll be watching all of season 2 at which point I think it will be clear where this show will end up and whether its worth following to the bitter end.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 12/27/21 at 1:56 pm to YumYum Sauce
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5. Seanchans - wife turned to me and said "that made no sense, are they good or bad". Fade to black.
Agreed with most of your complaints, but this makes no sense. The Seanchan were actually the one pretty cool thing about this episode, they should be relatively mysterious at this point, and I'm pretty sure them tsunamying a little girl is enough of a hint as to where they land on the good/bad scale.
Worst moment of the finale and a really bad sign for the show moving forward: the completely inexplicable decision to not have Egwene take control of the circle at Tarwin's Gap. Practically the whole season focused on Rand/Egwene, the cold open foreshadowed their argument from the last book to a tee, and they are the 2 most important characters in the entire series. It was right there. All they had to do was have Amalisa start losing control when the trollocs overran the wall/killed her brother, the 2 rando aes sedai burn out, Nynaeve tries to take control only to fail because control is what she lacks, Amalisa then burns out, the trollocs are coming fast, and finally Egwene steps up and takes control, obliterating the horde. Then you could have had her feel Rand channeling and try to help him only to start to burn out herself, then Nynaeve heals her which is Nynaeve's thing. So simple and a million times better than what we got, and it makes sense within their own story framework. Just baffled they did not give us some version of this.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 12/26/21 at 1:47 am to auyushu
This is true. But alot of these "reviews" are not really on the up and up. They are book readers who took to review bombing the show out of anger and spite.
Its amazon's biggest success in terms of watch through rate and multiple other metrics that amazon cares about. There are rumors floating around that the show is already being greenlit through season 4.
I think they can keep enough of the audience to at least give season 2 a try, but they are really going to need to step it up a few notches if they want the show to maintain, let alone, grow further.
Its amazon's biggest success in terms of watch through rate and multiple other metrics that amazon cares about. There are rumors floating around that the show is already being greenlit through season 4.
I think they can keep enough of the audience to at least give season 2 a try, but they are really going to need to step it up a few notches if they want the show to maintain, let alone, grow further.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 12/25/21 at 6:14 pm to Fun Bunch
See, the problem is we have no idea whether Rafe was successful or not in the big picture.
I mean, he clearly succeeded initially because the show has been a huge success. Its now guaranteed at least 3 seasons, and based on most of the metrics that I've seen, its probably going to make it the full eight.
The question is how many new viewers with little WOT familiarity did Rafe bring to the show with this vision versus how many of the book readers he will lose?
Truthfully, I think things were pretty great through episode seven. The problem with the finale is less with the book readers who they are clearly not as interested in as the non book readers who also reacted pretty negatively at least to the extent I've seen. Season 2 if it makes the jump that many shows make should solve alot of this, but it does give the show less margin for error than if they had nailed the finale.
I mean, he clearly succeeded initially because the show has been a huge success. Its now guaranteed at least 3 seasons, and based on most of the metrics that I've seen, its probably going to make it the full eight.
The question is how many new viewers with little WOT familiarity did Rafe bring to the show with this vision versus how many of the book readers he will lose?
Truthfully, I think things were pretty great through episode seven. The problem with the finale is less with the book readers who they are clearly not as interested in as the non book readers who also reacted pretty negatively at least to the extent I've seen. Season 2 if it makes the jump that many shows make should solve alot of this, but it does give the show less margin for error than if they had nailed the finale.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 12/24/21 at 1:11 am to fdanon
So episode 8 was definitely not my favorite episode, but it actually makes some sense that it closely resembles in some ways episode 1. Both had really good pieces, but they just did not come together as well as they could/should have.
In particular, Rand/Moiraine/Ishy worked really well. As I mentioned before, I like saving Rand's big power moments for upcoming seasons once his knowledge starts getting upgraded, so I had no problems with the more simplistic "battle for Rand's morality" that played out. Loved Moiraine holding the knife to Rand's throat, making good on her threat. And Rand's line about the Egwene that wants to become a wisdom then aes sedai being the Egwene that he loves, that hit home really well and tied up Rand's season 1 arc in a nice bow.
Most everything else was pretty shaky though. Lan simply did not have enough to do, period. Also, it was super weird that the show had Egwene/Nynaeve stay behind at Fal Dara and then instead of letting them be awesome at the battle, we focus on the sister that was an aes sedai reject? And poor Perrin, just got the worst character beats for the entire season, finishing up by standing like a loser while Fain bitch slaps him left and right.
I did love the cold open. Really interesting dynamic as it seems in the show Lews Therin will not be in love with Ilyena but instead was with that Tamyrlin woman, at least thats how it came across to me. And that whole scene really gave me big foreshadowing vibes for the last book when Rand/Egwene battle over the decision to break the seals to the Dark One's prison. Could be more evidence for the Egwene/Rand romance will last the entire series theory.
So much more to think/talk about, but I need to rewatch it again. The Seanchan did look cool. And was that Rand looking at the spine of the world? Are we jumping really forward and getting Rand/Aiel in season 2?
In particular, Rand/Moiraine/Ishy worked really well. As I mentioned before, I like saving Rand's big power moments for upcoming seasons once his knowledge starts getting upgraded, so I had no problems with the more simplistic "battle for Rand's morality" that played out. Loved Moiraine holding the knife to Rand's throat, making good on her threat. And Rand's line about the Egwene that wants to become a wisdom then aes sedai being the Egwene that he loves, that hit home really well and tied up Rand's season 1 arc in a nice bow.
Most everything else was pretty shaky though. Lan simply did not have enough to do, period. Also, it was super weird that the show had Egwene/Nynaeve stay behind at Fal Dara and then instead of letting them be awesome at the battle, we focus on the sister that was an aes sedai reject? And poor Perrin, just got the worst character beats for the entire season, finishing up by standing like a loser while Fain bitch slaps him left and right.
I did love the cold open. Really interesting dynamic as it seems in the show Lews Therin will not be in love with Ilyena but instead was with that Tamyrlin woman, at least thats how it came across to me. And that whole scene really gave me big foreshadowing vibes for the last book when Rand/Egwene battle over the decision to break the seals to the Dark One's prison. Could be more evidence for the Egwene/Rand romance will last the entire series theory.
So much more to think/talk about, but I need to rewatch it again. The Seanchan did look cool. And was that Rand looking at the spine of the world? Are we jumping really forward and getting Rand/Aiel in season 2?
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 12/23/21 at 11:15 am to Rand AlThor
Yeah I can see that, just think its a mistake to not have Rand more involved. Not sure it works well if he spends most of season 2 on his own.
Also, we still have gotten pretty much nothing in terms of Rand/Moiraine or Rand/Lan, 2 of the most important relationships in the series.
Also, we still have gotten pretty much nothing in terms of Rand/Moiraine or Rand/Lan, 2 of the most important relationships in the series.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 12/22/21 at 3:27 pm to Babble
I didnt read the spoilers in detail, but from my vague impressions:
Have no real issue with the Tarwin's Gap scene, at least from Rand's perspective. He has plenty of huge moments upcoming, including far more important ones in season 2. Plus, I actually didnt really like how it worked in the books with Rand just kind of magically appearing and saving the day with no real clue of what he was actually doing. Would prefer they upgrade his knowledge level in season 2 which would lead into the Falme/Stone of Tear stuff.
Biggest Rand issue is the leaving post Eye. Makes no sense to sideline Rand off on his own, especially after how much they backgrounded him throughout season 1. Also makes no sense why Moiraine would allow this. Book 2 Moiraine "allows" Rand off the leash to basically jedi mind trick him, plus Verin was following close behind. This seems like she lets Rand go off completely alone with no supervision. We'll see how it plays into season 2, but that was my one big issue.
Nothing else was really all that surprising or shark jumping so to speak.
Have no real issue with the Tarwin's Gap scene, at least from Rand's perspective. He has plenty of huge moments upcoming, including far more important ones in season 2. Plus, I actually didnt really like how it worked in the books with Rand just kind of magically appearing and saving the day with no real clue of what he was actually doing. Would prefer they upgrade his knowledge level in season 2 which would lead into the Falme/Stone of Tear stuff.
Biggest Rand issue is the leaving post Eye. Makes no sense to sideline Rand off on his own, especially after how much they backgrounded him throughout season 1. Also makes no sense why Moiraine would allow this. Book 2 Moiraine "allows" Rand off the leash to basically jedi mind trick him, plus Verin was following close behind. This seems like she lets Rand go off completely alone with no supervision. We'll see how it plays into season 2, but that was my one big issue.
Nothing else was really all that surprising or shark jumping so to speak.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 12/19/21 at 8:03 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Sounds like you need to jump on the Egwene replaces Elayne theory.
And yes, Gawyn sucks. But will he even exist? We know Elayne was cast, but nothing on Gawyn to this point.
And yes, Gawyn sucks. But will he even exist? We know Elayne was cast, but nothing on Gawyn to this point.
re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 12/19/21 at 4:03 pm to Fun Bunch
To me this episode also added clarity to the polar sides of the fandom.
For example, if you complain about the Blood Snow cold open, you cannot be taken seriously going forward in regards to the show.
Similarly, if you defend the weird Perrin has feelings for Egwene nonsense, you are clearly a shill for the show.
Most everyone should have these 2 correct viewpoints and diverge from there.
For example, if you complain about the Blood Snow cold open, you cannot be taken seriously going forward in regards to the show.
Similarly, if you defend the weird Perrin has feelings for Egwene nonsense, you are clearly a shill for the show.
Most everyone should have these 2 correct viewpoints and diverge from there.
re: Wheel of Time - Season 1 - Amazon - NOW A BOOK READERS THREAD
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 12/18/21 at 2:40 am to Sneaky__Sally
I've seen a bunch of complaints about the "love triangle" but really its just Perrin that gets screwed character wise. He comes off really badly between this and the dead wife.
But its not really a triangle at all. Egwene has no interest in Perrin and chooses Rand repeatedly every step of the way, including like 10 seconds after this sequence.
Only theory I've seen that makes any sense as to why they included this was to keep Faile's jealousy intact while cutting Berelain from the show. Now it will be Faile being jealous of Egwene. Still doesnt really make a ton of sense.
Another interesting theory someone had: that they are getting rid of Gawyn (or at least Gawyn/Egwene) and that Egwene would be one of Rand's 3 beautiful women mentioned by Min, most likely taking the place of Elayne which is part of why they skipped her entirely this season. Not sure I buy it, but it would be pretty interesting and go some ways to justify all the screen time Rand/Egwene are getting as a couple comparatively.
Other than that, this episode was fantastic, and the rewatchability is off the charts. Knowing what Rand is going through/thinking post Ways really shows that actor's chops. He has purposely been sidelined most of the season for the mystery aspect, but now I buy that he can carry the show moving forward which I wasnt sure of before.
But its not really a triangle at all. Egwene has no interest in Perrin and chooses Rand repeatedly every step of the way, including like 10 seconds after this sequence.
Only theory I've seen that makes any sense as to why they included this was to keep Faile's jealousy intact while cutting Berelain from the show. Now it will be Faile being jealous of Egwene. Still doesnt really make a ton of sense.
Another interesting theory someone had: that they are getting rid of Gawyn (or at least Gawyn/Egwene) and that Egwene would be one of Rand's 3 beautiful women mentioned by Min, most likely taking the place of Elayne which is part of why they skipped her entirely this season. Not sure I buy it, but it would be pretty interesting and go some ways to justify all the screen time Rand/Egwene are getting as a couple comparatively.
Other than that, this episode was fantastic, and the rewatchability is off the charts. Knowing what Rand is going through/thinking post Ways really shows that actor's chops. He has purposely been sidelined most of the season for the mystery aspect, but now I buy that he can carry the show moving forward which I wasnt sure of before.
re: Wheel of Time - Season 1 - Amazon - NOW A BOOK READERS THREAD
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice on 12/16/21 at 7:36 pm to Midget Death Squad
The vast majority of fans do not like that relationship and it certainly isnt a core relationship to the books. Its a big pile of nothing that was thrown in for happy ever after bs. If you liked it, great, but the show moving on from that is a positive change for the majority of the fandom.
There are plenty of legitimate critiques, but the problem is so many are made up nonsense that it loses the people all credibility.
There are plenty of legitimate critiques, but the problem is so many are made up nonsense that it loses the people all credibility.
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