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Why did BK leave ND before playoffs?
Because LSU gave him 95 million dollars GUARANTEED to do so.
If LSU offered you 3yrs 30m and Wayne State offered you 10/100 GURANTEED, you'd be coaching at Wayne State the following year.
C'mon, son!
On Lea riding the wave. I won't disagree but I would say that for a first time HC it is of paramount importance that they hire experienced coordinators. Old fired HC are perfect for that role.
As a first time HC your head is spinning from all of the new areas of responsibility that now fall under you. Ask every 1st time HC what they felt and all would say overwhelmed.
Hiring a guy like Kill is exactly what Lea needed to do. Kill can handle the offense and offer advise from the view of a former HC.
When Ryan Day was promoted to HC at OSU his coordinators were Greg Schiano (ex-Rutgers HC) and Kevin Wilson (ex-Indiana HC). Having those guys on staff allowed Day to grow into the role of a HC.
So yeah on Lea hiring Kill but that is not unusual and it's mostly a smart play for a 1st time head coach.
As a first time HC your head is spinning from all of the new areas of responsibility that now fall under you. Ask every 1st time HC what they felt and all would say overwhelmed.
Hiring a guy like Kill is exactly what Lea needed to do. Kill can handle the offense and offer advise from the view of a former HC.
When Ryan Day was promoted to HC at OSU his coordinators were Greg Schiano (ex-Rutgers HC) and Kevin Wilson (ex-Indiana HC). Having those guys on staff allowed Day to grow into the role of a HC.
So yeah on Lea hiring Kill but that is not unusual and it's mostly a smart play for a 1st time head coach.
The funniest thing about LSU hiring Kelly was Scott Woodward thought they were getting Brian Kelly, Tommy Rees, Marcus Freeman and Matt Balis .
Instead ND had seen enough from Freeman that they promoted him to HC and basically gave Rees & Balis blank checks to stay as OC & Strength Coach.
If you really want know what went wrong with Kelly @LSU NOT getting the ND assistants that he knew and trusted to follow him fundamentally undermined him in Baton Rouge. He unexpectedly had to rebuild his entire staff at a place that he knew little about. Hiring Denbrock saved the offense but BK essentially made blind hires at culture (strength coach) and on defense.
He never was able to recover from those initial missteps. Then ND came for Denbrock 2yrs later and you knew the offense was about to flounder because it was his offense and Kelly trusted him implicitly. Sloan neither had the chops nor the professional standing with BK to tell him to stay out of his kitchen. Once things went bad Kelly meddled with Sloan which made things worse. He never would have meddled with Denbrock.
Instead ND had seen enough from Freeman that they promoted him to HC and basically gave Rees & Balis blank checks to stay as OC & Strength Coach.
If you really want know what went wrong with Kelly @LSU NOT getting the ND assistants that he knew and trusted to follow him fundamentally undermined him in Baton Rouge. He unexpectedly had to rebuild his entire staff at a place that he knew little about. Hiring Denbrock saved the offense but BK essentially made blind hires at culture (strength coach) and on defense.
He never was able to recover from those initial missteps. Then ND came for Denbrock 2yrs later and you knew the offense was about to flounder because it was his offense and Kelly trusted him implicitly. Sloan neither had the chops nor the professional standing with BK to tell him to stay out of his kitchen. Once things went bad Kelly meddled with Sloan which made things worse. He never would have meddled with Denbrock.
Fair enough on Lea but I would add that a major part of being a good head coach is hiring good coordinators. The job thesedays is just too big for a HC to also run a side of the ball. As a HC you hire good people, set the culture and oversee the operation.
In last year's national championship game the 4 coordinators were Jim Knowles, Chip Kelly, Mike Denbrock and Al Golden. All of those guys were top shelf hires.
Go look at Saban's hires. He was a great head coach but he hired excellent coordinators who ran the day 2 day operation.
In last year's national championship game the 4 coordinators were Jim Knowles, Chip Kelly, Mike Denbrock and Al Golden. All of those guys were top shelf hires.
Go look at Saban's hires. He was a great head coach but he hired excellent coordinators who ran the day 2 day operation.
re: clamdip's Hot Board
Posted by Lurker1 on 11/10/25 at 12:32 pm to Clockwatcher68
My question on Joey McGuire is how does he fare when he's not out spending fellow conference members at a 5-1 ratio.
Also scheduling. Shooting a Big XII scheduling is one thing (easy). Shooting an SEC schedule is orders of magnitude more difficult. Talent is more evenly dispersed than the Big XII.
Heck BYU was undefeated and their QB was a true freshman who honestly isn't a good passer. Tech simply defended the run at all costnand said that guy can't beat us passing the ball.
Utah is about the only team in that conference that poses match-up issues for Tech.
Also scheduling. Shooting a Big XII scheduling is one thing (easy). Shooting an SEC schedule is orders of magnitude more difficult. Talent is more evenly dispersed than the Big XII.
Heck BYU was undefeated and their QB was a true freshman who honestly isn't a good passer. Tech simply defended the run at all costnand said that guy can't beat us passing the ball.
Utah is about the only team in that conference that poses match-up issues for Tech.
I didn't discount their win Oregon. In fact I mentioned it. I just don't think Oregon is that good. More of a trick pony than anything else.
I know IU's football history well enough to know that they're the all time losingest program in NCAA history. Cignetti has certainly elevated that program but as I pointed out weak scheduling plays a part in that. Clark Lea has beaten more top 25 teams this year than Cignetti has played in 2 years at IU. But Cignetti is a "slam dunk" and Lea just doesn't do anything for you. Got it.
BTW, refresh my memory. On the side of Indiana football helmet does it say "Indiana" or "IU"?
I know IU's football history well enough to know that they're the all time losingest program in NCAA history. Cignetti has certainly elevated that program but as I pointed out weak scheduling plays a part in that. Clark Lea has beaten more top 25 teams this year than Cignetti has played in 2 years at IU. But Cignetti is a "slam dunk" and Lea just doesn't do anything for you. Got it.
BTW, refresh my memory. On the side of Indiana football helmet does it say "Indiana" or "IU"?
So you, and others view Cignetti, as a "slam dunk".
Why?
Try looking past the box score. Who have they beaten that leads you believe that Cignetti is the guy to outcoach top tier SEC coaches.
IU has risen to the top of the Big 10 for two reasons.
1. Of the 4 NC winning programs in that conference 3 of them are down. Michigan, PSU and USC.
2. Scheduling. In an 18 team league you can go years without playing certain opponents.
In 2024 IU faced two of the conferences top programs.
Michigan & Ohio State
Michigan's offense was historically bad and IU eeked out a 5pt win at home.
The got boatraced by OSU by 20+ points.
They went 11-2 against arguably the Big 10s softest schedule and made the playoffs.
In the playoffs they got boatraced by ND who was up 27-7 before IU scored 10 points in garbage time.
This year IU was scheduled to play two of the conferences top 5 teams. Oregon & PSU.
Their signature win came against Oregon who needed OT to beat a down PSU team and almost lost to Saturday to Iowa.
IU needed a miracle drive to beat a 5 loss PSU program who had fired their HC and had also lost their starting QB fir the rest of the season.
Did you notice that IU got two TOs in PSU territory that accounted for 1/2 their 27 points.
IU will play OSU in the Big 10 championship game. They'll get boatraced again. I say that because if you watched them against PSU it continued the Cignetti trend. They beat up on cans but can't really stand in against power teams.
So your "slam dunk" candidate basically has beaten 1 team that could remotely be considered good. Their remaining conference schedule comprises of teams that have a combined conference record of 2-23.
The cherry on top of IU's schedule has to be that on top of a soft conf schedule IU opened the season with games against:
Old Dominion
Kennesaw State
Indiana State
So I guess I close with again asking what has Cignetti actually done that makes him a "slam dunk"?
Why?
Try looking past the box score. Who have they beaten that leads you believe that Cignetti is the guy to outcoach top tier SEC coaches.
IU has risen to the top of the Big 10 for two reasons.
1. Of the 4 NC winning programs in that conference 3 of them are down. Michigan, PSU and USC.
2. Scheduling. In an 18 team league you can go years without playing certain opponents.
In 2024 IU faced two of the conferences top programs.
Michigan & Ohio State
Michigan's offense was historically bad and IU eeked out a 5pt win at home.
The got boatraced by OSU by 20+ points.
They went 11-2 against arguably the Big 10s softest schedule and made the playoffs.
In the playoffs they got boatraced by ND who was up 27-7 before IU scored 10 points in garbage time.
This year IU was scheduled to play two of the conferences top 5 teams. Oregon & PSU.
Their signature win came against Oregon who needed OT to beat a down PSU team and almost lost to Saturday to Iowa.
IU needed a miracle drive to beat a 5 loss PSU program who had fired their HC and had also lost their starting QB fir the rest of the season.
Did you notice that IU got two TOs in PSU territory that accounted for 1/2 their 27 points.
IU will play OSU in the Big 10 championship game. They'll get boatraced again. I say that because if you watched them against PSU it continued the Cignetti trend. They beat up on cans but can't really stand in against power teams.
So your "slam dunk" candidate basically has beaten 1 team that could remotely be considered good. Their remaining conference schedule comprises of teams that have a combined conference record of 2-23.
The cherry on top of IU's schedule has to be that on top of a soft conf schedule IU opened the season with games against:
Old Dominion
Kennesaw State
Indiana State
So I guess I close with again asking what has Cignetti actually done that makes him a "slam dunk"?
re: Have the last 3 LSU coaches been brought down on their morality clauses?
Posted by Lurker1 on 10/28/25 at 8:35 pm to Errerrerrwere
No. This is just a dumb message rumor without any substantiation whatsoever. I feel sorry for people who want to believe this.
If it were true LSU would become toxic to coaches and agents. NO coach would sign with them and agents would steer every client AWAY from them, if at the drop of a game, some vague, undefined, and one-sided "morality" clause could be invoked that essentially voids a signed contrast.
WME who reps BK would never have allowed him to sign a LSU contract with that clause. CAA reps Kiffin. If there were anything to such a rumor they wouldn't even take LSUs call.
WME and CAA basically have every coach of note as clients. Basically schools don't F with their clients b/c they can END YOU as a destination job.
If it were true LSU would become toxic to coaches and agents. NO coach would sign with them and agents would steer every client AWAY from them, if at the drop of a game, some vague, undefined, and one-sided "morality" clause could be invoked that essentially voids a signed contrast.
WME who reps BK would never have allowed him to sign a LSU contract with that clause. CAA reps Kiffin. If there were anything to such a rumor they wouldn't even take LSUs call.
WME and CAA basically have every coach of note as clients. Basically schools don't F with their clients b/c they can END YOU as a destination job.
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