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re: Why do so many offensive players from USC do poorly in the NFL

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 10/7/10 at 7:42 pm to Suck Out West
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I agree on this, but they had a decided speed advantage over Ohio State in the Rose Bowl and lost. Alabama would have no trouble at all sustaining long drives, keeping that high powered offense off the field. JMO.

And where the SEC speed shows is in the front lines of both sides of the ball. I don't think the SEC has a speed advantage when it comes to skill positions, but I think they have a huge advantage when it comes to DL,OL & LBs.


No one ever backs these kinds of claims up. What makes anyone think Oregon has faster players than Ohio State? The type of offense they run? The fact that Oregon scores lots of points? Does Vanderbilt have SEC speed? If the trenches are where the SEC has that athletic advantage, why is offensive line the one position where the Big Ten has produced more NFL talent than the SEC?
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re: How do USC Fans feel about Reggie Bush?

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 9/19/10 at 11:49 am to RLDSC FAN
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Please explain how USC benefitted from this? Reggie and his parents took money, how does that improve SC on the field? Yes he cheated and SC should have stopped it but to say they benefitted is laughable


Even ignoring all the possible implications and stuff that cannot be proven, here is how USC benefitted: They got to use an ineligible player, who was really good.

Reggie Bush was just as ineligible as any NFL player would have been. Saying that using him was no benefit to USC would be like saying Texas would not have benifited if Shaun Alexander had managed to suit up for the Longhorns in 2005.



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re: BCS: If you had to pick either polls or computers...?

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 8/28/10 at 11:14 pm to xiv
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A conference season is only 2/3 or 3/4 of the entire season. Teams should be judged on their whole seasons without any outsider giving any special designation to a fraction of their season.


A conference championship is only a prerequisite, not an automatic bid. You can't have 6 teams play in 1 championship game. It only prevents those who could not even win their own conference from being able to hold a national title for the same year that they do not have a conference title.
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re: BCS: If you had to pick either polls or computers...?

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 8/28/10 at 11:10 pm to shel311
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So, NO teams would ever have any incentive to play tough OOC games.


Strength of schedule is listed as a tiebreaker. That, and playing tough OOC opponents gives teams a chance to knock someone out of contention and take their place. The incentive to play tough OOC games would be about the same as it is now.
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re: BCS: If you had to pick either polls or computers...?

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 8/21/10 at 12:55 am to xiv
I'd prefer a simple set of rules that determines who plays in the BCS NC game.

1. Both teams must be the outright champions of their respective (BCS) conferences or own the primary share of a conference co-championship. The special rule for Notre Dame would be that they have to own 1 of the 2 best win percentages among BCS schools going into bowl season. Politics would probably prevent non-BCS schools from being excluded de jure, but this is just what I would prefer. The non-BCS schools can just form their own division and hold their own Division I-FBS Non-BCS NC game for all I care.

2. From the teams that are still eligible after applying rule 1, the two with the highest season win percentage would be the participants in the NC game.

3. If there is a tie after applying rule 2, head-to-head results would be the first tie-breaker in the unlikely event that they exist. After that either computer polls or strength of schedule (opponents' win percentage) should be the next tiebreaker.

I would want to keep the human element out of the selection as much as possible. I'd like the individual teams ultimatley to have complete control over whether they play for the championship.
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re: If you go to enough BCS bowls.....

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 1/2/10 at 12:47 am to lsucoonass
^I hope that is not for me because I was not being sarcastic. It's better to at least participate in a BCS bowl than to win some bowl that no one cares about. At that point you're left with imagining that your team could have won if it had played in a BCS bowl and resorting to the 'we always play tougher schedules' excuses if you can't help but rag on a team that lost a game you wish your team could have played in.
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re: If you go to enough BCS bowls.....

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 1/2/10 at 12:34 am to Buckeye06
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I would take 5-3 over like say....3-1

You have to get there to win the games


I would take 5-3 over 5-0.
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re: Best programs of the past 5 years

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 8/29/09 at 2:26 pm to Sophandros
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I think that average final ranking should be a metric, as it combines both consistency and titles.


This is the best single criterion, in my opinion, for the reasons you mention.

If you made a composite of the final Coaches' Poll from every season from 2004-2008, the list would be:

1. USC (1 No. 1, 5 Top 10, 5 Top 25) 119
2. Texas (1 No. 1, 4 Top 10, 5 Top 25) 99
3. Ohio State (0 No. 1, 3 Top 10, 5 Top 25) 90
4. Oklahoma (0 No. 1, 3 Top 10, 5 Top 25) 81
5. LSU (1 No. 1, 3 Top 10, 4 Top 25) 79
6. Georgia (0 No. 1, 4 Top 10, 4 Top 25) 75
7. Virginia Tech (0 No. 1, 3 Top 10, 5 Top 25) 72
8. Florida (2 No. 1, 2 Top 10, 5 Top 25) 71
9. Auburn (0 No. 1, 2 Top 10, 4 Top 25) 66
10. West Virginia (0 No.1, 3 Top 10, 3 Top 25) 56
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re: USC players in the NFL

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 8/22/09 at 2:34 pm to el tigre
It is pretty common to criticize powerhouse programs by pointing out the low rate of successful transitions their players make from college to the NFL. But the critics usually ignore the fact that that rate of success is not all that great for almost any university.

Miami players from the late 90s and early 2000s seem to be an exception. Other than that... the rate of hits and misses from any school is not that stellar.
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re: Ohio State Preview

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 8/18/09 at 11:29 am to LSUintheNW
lol I was wondering if you were just trying to frustrate me.

I do wish there were a rule against non-conference champions playing for the national championship. Some people disagree though.
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re: Ohio State Preview

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 8/18/09 at 11:18 am to LSUintheNW
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You are correct about your scores you just have the seasons wrong. OU did lose to LSU in 2003
(2002-2003 season). The other two games were the 2003-2004 season bro.....different teams. The 2002-03 OU team wouldn't have been squashed by kansas st. I will refrain from cursing you out and saying you are stupid like some peeps will. BTW.....LSU did kill notre dame. Let em score 14 in the first half and let them score 0 in the second half while allowing 30 yards of offense to that great offensive juggernaut.


1. My information is correct. A quick fact check would prove that.

2. I agree that LSU beat Notre Dame badly.

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re: Ohio State Preview

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 8/18/09 at 10:53 am to LSUintheNW
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I have no respect for the Big 12.


A few results from the 2003 college football season:

Big 12 Championship Game
Kansas State 35
Oklahoma 7

Fiesta Bowl
Ohio State 35
Kansas State 28

Sugar Bowl
LSU 21
Oklahoma 14

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WE didn't just beat Notre Dame....we stomped em.


LSU beat 2006 Notre Dame, Ohio State beat 2005 Notre Dame.

The season LSU beat Notre Dame by 27 in Louisiana was the same season Michigan beat Notre Dame by 26 at Notre Dame. The Notre Dame team Ohio State beat was the same Notre Dame team that came within a Bush Push of beating USC.

A BCS win is a BCS win. I do not understand why some people do not recognize that the college football landscape changes from year to year.


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re: Where do you see the Big10 headed?

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 8/9/09 at 5:43 pm to SprintFun
Short answer: both.

I had not really thought of it as penalizing the SEC, but I get what you mean. The new rule will certainly cause the average SEC school to have fewer recruits to choose from as they whittle down their class between February and August to meet the NCAA's 85 and 25 limits.

In the 4 years from 2004-2007, Big Ten programs averaged 85 recruiting commitments. In that same period, SEC schools averaged 101 signings. That is a difference of 16. So for a 4 year period, the average SEC school signs practically an entire extra recruiting class.

Now that SEC schools will not be able to oversign quite so egregiously, those extra recruits will have to choose another school if they want a football scholarship. Many of them undoubtedly will choose Big Ten schools.

This will also have an effect on the SEC's use of junior colleges as a sort of farm system. In the past, oversigned recruits would often resort to junior college after being removed from the program of their choice in that program's effort to comply with the NCAA's 85 and 25 limits and/or as a result of their own academic or legal problems. Although not required to do so, those recruits would typically use junior college to prepare for another shot at joining the program to which they originally committed.

Those junior college relationships have been very important to several SEC schools because they can basically pick and choose from their former recruiting casualties who went the juco route to better prepare themselves, physically and mentally, for Division I FBS football.

Another way schools have managed to stay within the NCAA's 85 scholarship limit despite oversigning is to decide not to renew the scholarship of a current player who is unlikely to contribute significant playing time to make room for a new recruit with better potential. That is just another advantage that should be reduced somewhat by the SEC's new rule.
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re: Where do you see the Big10 headed?

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 8/9/09 at 5:02 pm to dukke v
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Besides OSU and Penn State and Mich, How many teams have even been to a BCS game?? ILL???


Besides Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan, 4 Big Ten teams have been to a BCS game (Wisconsin (twice), Purdue, Illinois (twice), Iowa).

But to address the original question, there has been a recent development that should benefit the Big Ten. A few months ago the SEC passed a new rule limiting recruiting class sizes to 28 per year. The conference has also gone ahead and proposed that it become an NCAA-wide rule.

This is significant because since 2002, the Big Ten has been the only conference with a self-imposed oversigning limit. It may or may not be coincidence that the timing of that rule's passage (2002) and of the beginning of the Big Ten's recent downturn (2006) are about 4 years apart (meaning pre-2002 recruting classes were all but completely absent from the recent struggles).

The Big Ten's rule limits oversigning to 3 per year along with the requirement that a detailed explanation for the oversigning be sent to the conference for approval. As I understand it, this means that the Big Ten's rule is still more restrictive than the SEC's rule since a program usually has fewer than 25 available scholarships. Also, as far as I know, the SEC does not require any explanation for the oversigning. I could be wrong about that, but it is what I have gathered from the reports I have read. Either way, if the SEC version does become an NCAA rule, that should at least help level the playing field.

This is an issue that does not receive a lot of attention, but it has had a big impact on the landscape of college football.
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re: Dennis Dodd's decade rankings 1-10

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 7/31/09 at 8:55 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
If you made a composite of the final Coaches' Poll from every season since 2000, the list would be:

1. Texas (1 No. 1, 6 Top 10, 9 Top 25)
2. USC (1 No. 1, 7 Top 10, 7 Top 25)
3. Oklahoma (1 No. 1, 6 Top 10, 8 Top 25)
4. Ohio State (1 No. 1, 5 Top 10, 7 Top 25)
5. Georgia (0 No. 1, 6 Top 10, 8 Top 25)
6. LSU (2 No. 1, 5 Top 10, 6 Top 25)
7. Miami (1 No. 1, 4 Top 10, 6 Top 25)
8. Florida (2 No. 1, 3 Top 10, 9 Top 25)
8. Virginia Tech (0 No. 1, 4 Top 10, 8 Top 25)
10. Michigan (0 No.1, 4 Top 10, 7 Top 25)

Mathematically, only Texas, USC, and Oklahoma are still in contention for the top spot with 1 season left to play.
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re: SEC might have a little competion

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 7/31/09 at 1:06 pm to Ross
Edit: @Ross

That is definitely the kind of reasoning that people use to support the idea that Ohio State was not as good as they were generally believed to be before the title game. But I think it is because of the lopsided result of that title game that people have revised their perception of that team and its competition so that it is probably significantly more negative than the reality.

I say that because if you actually do compare who beat whom, there is little reason to believe that Ohio State was anywhere near as bad, relative to Florida, as they were in the title game.

Michigan lost to USC by 14, but that was the same USC team that beat the SEC runner-up on the road by a much wider margin than Florida did. Michigan also beat Vanderbilt by a much wider margin than Florida did and beat Notre Dame, at Notre Dame, by roughly the same margin that LSU did in the Sugar Bowl. Penn State beat Tennessee by a wider margin than Florida did.

I am not saying Ohio State was the best that year or that comparing common opponents is always an accurate measure of relative strength, just that the disparity between Florida and Ohio State was probably not nearly as great as the result of 1 game played 1-2 months after the regular season might lead someone to believe.
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re: SEC might have a little competion

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 7/31/09 at 10:35 am to Buckeye Fan 19
FWIW, I think 2006 Ohio State is actually underrated in a lot of people's minds as an overreaction to the result of the title game.

It reminds me of the 52-20 spanking that Florida gave Florida State in the 1996 bowl game. The difference is that no one would expect 96 Florida to beat 96 Florida State 10/10 times because the two actually did meet another time in the regular season with a much different result (24-21 Florida State win).
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re: BCS works __% of the time? 27%

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 7/17/09 at 11:08 am to Obi-Wan Tiger
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I was afraid my statement might be misconstrued as such. It was more of an assessment than an assumption. Just looking back over the decade I could find no year where I thought the Big XII was better than the SEC. But I definitely don't assume it will be that way every year.


Not even 2000, 2002, 2004, or 2005?
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re: College football playoff idea

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 7/16/09 at 5:37 pm to BayouBengals03
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No goddamnit.

2006 was the year we beat the living frick out of Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl. A Notre Dame team that Ohio State was probably 7 point better than.


2006, the season LSU beat Notre Dame by 27 in the Sugar Bowl is the same season Michigan beat Notre Dame by 26 at Notre Dame.
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re: What happens if OU beats Texas this year

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 6/15/09 at 10:39 am to The Easter Bunny
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Sometimes I feel like people on this site only see about 2-3 teams as worthy opponents. From this thread:

USC plays no one
tOSU plays no one
UT/OU play no one
Big East/ACC have no good teams

So basically there are 4 good teams out side of the SEC, but since they are the only decent team in their conference they really aren't that good because they never beat anyone


lol I was thinking the same thing while reading through this thread.
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re: What happens if OU beats Texas this year

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 6/15/09 at 10:26 am to Ron Mexico
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please explain how TTech doesn't belong in the conversation. they had 1 loss and beat UT, ya know?


I'm with you. The only explanation I've heard is some crap about the Texas-Oklahoma game being neutral site, Texas-Texas Tech being at Texas Tech, and Texas Tech being blown out by Oklahoma.

I actually don't have a problem with the Big 12 3-way tiebreaker that people complain about. If it were only a 2-way tie and the 2 had played each other, then I would have a problem with it. But that wasn't the situation. The tiebreaker puts the decision in the hands of the voters (2/3 of the decision anyway).

I think the Big Ten even went ahead and adopted a similar rule for the upcoming season to determine the conference's Rose Bowl representative when 2 teams with identical records that haven't played each other tie for the conference championship. Their old rule was just to pick the team whose last Rose Bowl berth happened longer ago. Now that was a stupid rule.
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re: My prediction: Ohio State vs USC play for it all...

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 5/19/09 at 11:26 am to Sophandros
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Team for team, the two leagues are much more even than you think, which is why OOC is a better gauge of schedule strength.


This is really just a battle of words. The problem is that there is no standard, measurable meaning for phrases like "a lot," "way better," "sucks," etc.

Another problem is lazy analysis that serves to put false thematic differences between BCS conferences into the minds of fans.
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re: My prediction: Ohio State vs USC play for it all...

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 5/19/09 at 10:56 am to Klark Kent
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i mean how many shots do you think they should get at it? 2 in 3 years isn't enough? why not give the boise st.'s of the world a chance, instead of hyping up tOSU every year to only have the same outcome?


Ohio State and Oklahoma both won the BCS national championship game on their first try. But past BCS championship success or failure has no bearing on future outcomes.
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re: The True WR U!!!

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 5/3/09 at 9:15 pm to wmorris
I don't understand the way Scout made those lists. They say that one list is based on college production and one is based on college and NFL production for each position. Rivals did a way better job when they did their Position U series a couple years ago.

It has always been my understanding that position U should be based on NFL talent production because it's supposed to label the school as a factory for that position. A factory is a place that develops things for use by someone else (the NFL).
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re: SEC vs. PAC (Wack) 10

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 4/25/09 at 9:23 am to True Bengal
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Wouldn't a conference head-to-head be according to team rankings within their conference? If so, it would/could look something like...

USC - UF
Ore - Ala
OSU - UGA
Cal - Miss
Ari - Van
ASU - SCar
Sta - LSU
UCL - Ten
WSU - Ken
Was - Aub

(Ark, MSU)
*Ken, Aub, Ark are all tied within the conference. Didn't apply any tiebreaker research.


I don't think conference strength should be influenced by the number of teams a conference has. So because the SEC has 12 and the Pac-10 has 10, it would not be fair to leave the 2 worst SEC teams out of this sort of match-up. I think you should leave out the SEC 6 and 7 placed teams, or 1 and 12 placed teams. Something like that.

Then you'd have:

USC-Florida
Oregon-Alabama
Oregon State-Georgia
Cal-Ole Miss
Arizona-Vanderbilt
Stanford-Tennessee
Arizona State-Kentucky
UCLA-Arkansas
Washington State-Auburn
Washington-Mississippi State

or

USC-Alabama
Oregon-Georgia
Oregon State-Ole Miss
Cal-Vanderbilt
Arizona-South Carolina
Stanford-LSU
Arizona State-Tennessee
UCLA-Kentucky
Washington State-Arkansas
Washington-Auburn
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re: Moreno vs Chris Wells

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 4/17/09 at 1:19 pm to lsu xman
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who had better games vs LSU?

both had some pretty long runs if i remember right.



The only defense that both Wells and Moreno faced in college was the 08 Michigan State defense.

Wells rushing stats vs 08 Michigan State: 31 ATT, 140 YDS, 2 RUSHING TD

Moreno rushing stats vs 08 Michigan State: 23 ATT, 62 YDS, 0 RUSHING TD

I'm not saying that you can draw accurate conclusions from those stats, but that is their only common opponent.
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re: your teams message board vs. TD.com

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 4/5/09 at 10:24 am to learnthehardway
I'd say TigerDroppings is better than any Florida message board. GatorCountry is pretty decent, but there is not as much variety of discussion topics or viewpoints as there is on TigerDroppings. I also appreciate the ease of searching the TigerDroppings forums. I'd say BuckeyePlanet is the overall best college sports message board I know of. It's extremely informative and well moderated.
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re: Top 100 NCAA Coaches

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 4/2/09 at 7:58 pm to Golfer
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6. Jim Tressel(83-19 at Ohio State and 218-76-2 overall)- If not for the SEC, Tressel could have himself at #1 on this list. Tressel has won 5 SEC titles and 2002 National Championship. While Appalachian State has gotten all the publicity in 1-AA this decade, Youngstown State was the ASU of the 90s winning 4 National Championships with Tressel as coach. Not the most entertaining man in CFB, but definitely one of the best coaches.



If not for the SEC and a coach you ranked at number twenty fricking four...


Nah, it's just the SEC. Jim Tressel is 1-1 against Les Miles as a head coach and holds a 57-45 combined scoring advantage. But he's 0-3 against the SEC.
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re: LSU = Wide Receiver U!

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 3/28/09 at 10:59 pm to TigerintheNO
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it is either us or Ohio State, think they have had 4 1st rounders from the last 4 drafts


I was just thinking that. Rivals.com did a position u series about 3 years ago in which they named Ohio State as Wide Receiver U.

LINK

They give honorable mention to Arkansas, Florida State, Florida, LSU, Miami, Michigan State, Tennessee, and Texas A&M.

Since the date that the article was written, Ohio State has had 3 more wide receivers drafted in the first round (Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn Jr, Anthony Gonzalez) and 4 overall (Roy Hall). In that time LSU has produced 2 more first round wide receivers (Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis) and 5 overall (Skyler Green, Bennie Brazell, Early Doucet).

For this year's draft, Ohio State has a projected second round receiver (Brian Robiskie) and a projected sixth or seventh round receiver (Brian Hartline). LSU has a projected sixth or seventh round receiver (Demetrius Byrd). Both schools have continued to recruit extremely well at this position.

Just a few months ago the Dallas Morning News bestowed the title of WR U on Michigan State. Of course, Tennessee fans used to be fond of referring to their school as WR U as well.

I don't feel like researching what the other schools on the list have produced recently, but it might be worth checking out if you want to determine whether it is appropriate to dub LSU Wide Receiver U.
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re: Fox Sports=ESPN

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 3/14/09 at 10:39 am to bayouboy33
NFL Draft Picks by School This Decade
1. Miami (62)
1. Ohio State (62)
3. Florida State (55)
4. Tennessee (53)
5. Georgia (51)
6. USC (50)
7. Florida (47)
8. Virginia Tech (46)
9. Michigan (44)
10. LSU (43)

If you were to use the final coaches poll from every season from 2000-2008 and assign each team points based on them, you'd get this (chronological final rankings in parentheses, separated by hyphens):

1. Oklahoma (1-6-5-3-3-22-11-8-5) 170 points
2. Texas (12-5-7-11-4-1-13-10-3) 168 points
3. USC (NR-NR-4-2-1-2-4-2-2) 165 points
4. Ohio State (NR-NR-1-4-19-4-2-4-11) 137 points
5. Georgia (17-25-3-6-6-10-NR-3-10) 128 points
6. LSU (NR-8-NR-1-16-5-3-1-NR) 122 points
7. Miami (2-1-2-5-11-18-NR-NR-NR) 117 points
8. Florida (11-3-24-25-25-16-1-16-1) 112 points
8. Virginia Tech (6-18-14-NR-10-7-18-9-14) 112 points
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re: NUMBER 8!! maybe ESPN doesnt hate us too bad

Posted by Tebow4ReElection on 3/5/09 at 7:07 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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We actually return more starters than LSU, FWIW. We return 7 starters on D, and 4 on O. I believe LSU only returns 10 (that could be wrong, though, and if so, correct me). Also, Pryor led the conference in passing efficiency last year. I heard he had a partially separated shoulder against UT, which affected his throwing motion.


That's true. All many people know about Pryor is what they saw in the Fiesta Bowl, but that game was by far his worst as a passer. I'm not saying he's a really good passer, but he's not nearly as bad as he was in that game. I've even read some comments from people who think he's afraid of contact because of what they saw in that game. But that evaluation is inconsistent with his regular season performance.
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