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NE has been a good story this year…though they’ve caught a lot of scheduling breaks. But the Houston defense is tremendous. If Stroud can be anything less than awful I think they win the game
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re: Thomas playing today?
Posted by Alt26 on 1/17/26 at 8:33 am to JimTiger72
This happens every year (even before McMahon). There seems to always be 1 guy who is “day-to-day”…for at least 5 weeks
re: (Part 2) Change my mind: Matt McMahon is a bad basketball coach.
Posted by Alt26 on 1/16/26 at 11:28 am to Giantkiller
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I thin he's a great basketball coach...for a mid-major.
I don't know if that is necessarily true any longer. The way rosters are built has totally changed. It's affected every program. The model for mid-majors used to be getting in second-tier prospects, the developing them, together, as a team, in order to continuously produced experienced lineups with a few good underclassmen mixed in.
Now, the good mid major players aren't sticking around long enough to develop into experienced vets. They are leaving for a bigger conf. school and bigger payday at the first chance they get. That means even mid-major HC's have to be able to significantly flip the roster each year and win immediately with a largely new team. McMahon hasn't been able to do that LSU.
Steve Prohm was at Murray St. before McMahon. He had an even better record than McMahon there which got him the Iowa St job. After doing ok at Iowa St in his first 4 years (3 NCAAT appearances) the program bombed in 2020 and 2021. Murray St rehired him when McMahon left. In 3 years he only had one winning season and was fired after last season. The basketball climate had changed since he left Murray
re: Time to start discussing LSU new basketball coach for next year
Posted by Alt26 on 1/16/26 at 9:04 am to Macavity92
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Look, I am not disputing that he was better than the current guy, but that does not mean he should be the first call either.
Any HC LSU would hire comes with a degree of "unknown". No matter how good the resume might be. McMahon had a solid resume (at least relative to the other 4 mid-major coaches hired that cycle by SEC teams). It's been a disaster. Kelly had the best resume of any football coach LSU every hired (at the time of hire). It didn't work out.
In a world of uncertainty, Wade represents a "known" commodity for LSU because there is actual data of him coaching at LSU. The AD should, of course, do is due diligence to see what may be available on the market. But Wade checks a lot of boxes for a decision maker at LSU. History of success at LSU and elsewhere, high favorability among the fanbase, knowledge of both LSU and its boosters. IMO, it would be more in the sense of "picking up where you left off" vs. a "new" hire.
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Either way, I cannot see him being interested in leaving NC State for LSU.
Just from a financial perspective one has to believe LSU could create interest. Wade is not highly paid there. Again, LSU is paying McMahon more...and he's the lowest paid HC in the SEC (For good reason. He's done nothing to warrant LSU renegotiating the initial contract). Aside from that, the average SEC salary is higher than the average ACC salary. Using last year's numbers, 10 SEC coaches were in the top 30 highest paid coaches. Only 4 ACC coaches were in that number.
re: Time to start discussing LSU new basketball coach for next year
Posted by Alt26 on 1/16/26 at 8:04 am to Macavity92
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Is there any indication Wade wants to return to LSU, especially given how the previous time ended and his current position at a school that places value on basketball?
There was a push behind the scenes last year to get him back to LSU. That doesn't happen unless he indicated he was, at least, open to considering a return. Obviously, things are different this year with hm no longer in state, and at a power conf. program. That, in theory, would make pulling him in more difficult.
As I've said before, Wade's ouster was one of the most unique in LSU history. To my recollection, he's the only HC I can think of who was fired against the wishes of the fans/donors. There's no animosity towards them. In fact, a lot of the people who he made relationships in Lake Charles are also LSU fans too. "LSU" today is not the "LSU" that Wade previously worked. The President is new (and supportive), the AD is new (though he was a part of the prior admin) 85% of the BOS is new
As for the alleged "lack of value" placed on basketball I think that is misleading. LSU is contributing resources to basketball. It's not like the school said "give everything to the women and screw the men." The perceived "lack of support/funding" is largely a byproduct of McMahon. He's not a guy that wants to make the effort to be the necessary relationships with the donors/potential donors. Mulkey does that. Johnson does it. McMahon is like Trent Johnson in that respect. And its no coincidence the results are similar.
NC State wouldn't just "let him walk". It would take a strong push by LSU and donors to make it a possibility. But I don't think its impossible given all of the variables (President support, fan support, donor support, even political support COMBINED with exits of the anti-Wade factions at the school/AD)
re: Verge, you know what to do!
Posted by Alt26 on 1/15/26 at 5:10 pm to EastWestConnection
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yeah but like 25% of lsu fans can name a player on the basketball team at any time and im imagine thats way higher at NC state
You could have said the same thing about the women's program just a few years ago. Now their players are household names and they are selling out the PMAC, making me late for shite downtown on a Sunday.
It's not a very complex formula. Winning = interest. That's ALWAYS been the case. And it can happen very quickly.
re: Time to start discussing LSU new basketball coach for next year
Posted by Alt26 on 1/15/26 at 5:05 pm to Macavity92
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No, but it is evidence that he is not necessarily the savior he is made out to be on this board.
"Savior" in this context is relative.
I don't think anyone is truly arguing he's the coach in college basketball. But that is not the standard at play here. The question is "is he the best coach LSU can realistically hire?" That's a different discussion.
If Mark Few said he was tired of Spokane and really wanted to live in Baton Rouge, or if Tommy Lloyd said he preferred a humid heat to the dry heat of Tuscon, or if Bruce Pearl said he wanted to coach a different set of Tigers, or even if Nate Oats said he preferred purple to crimson, then there would be a different discussion as to Wade. But it's unlikely any of those guys would leave for LSU. Same for most really successful power conf. coaches. That's because this IS NOT football. (1) Power conf. poaching doesn't happen all that often in basketball in general and (2) LSU doesn't have the same market status in basketball that it does in football.
Wade's success at LSU relative to the 3 coaches who preceded him and the one who followed him, along with his favorability among many fans and donors in the state of Louisiana make him a desirable candidate for LSU. That's not to say Wade should be the ONLY option LSU should consider. But totally closing the book on the guy who has the highest winning % in your program in 100 years would seem awfully foolish.
re: Time to start discussing LSU new basketball coach for next year
Posted by Alt26 on 1/15/26 at 4:02 pm to Macavity92
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With Wade as coach, LSU finished 9th, 1st, 2nd (COVID season), 3rd and 5th in the SEC. Only the team that finished 1st ended the season ranked. He only made it past the second round of the NCAA tourney once in four seasons (one of his 5 seasons the postseason was canceled).
In the year that they won the SEC they were 4-4 against ranked opponents.
Is this somehow suppose to be evidence he was a "bad coach"?
In his 5 seasons at LSU he had 56 SEC wins. Only two coaches/programs had more during that time period. Cal/Kentucky and Barnes/Tenn (who Wade was a combined 6-5 against)
As for the NCAA Tournament, you left out the fact he wasn't allowed by the former administrations to coach in two of those. The one he did coach in his major flaw was losing to the No. 1 seed in his bracket.
WHAT.A.BUM!
re: Wade will be our next coach
Posted by Alt26 on 1/15/26 at 3:49 pm to tigahlovah
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Every. MOTHERFLUCKING. Major school cheats. PERIOD!!!!!!!
This doesn't matter anymore. It's a totally irrelevant talking point. The "cheating" was paying players....which is now both "legal" and necessary.
re: Verge, you know what to do!
Posted by Alt26 on 1/15/26 at 3:36 pm to HattiesburgTiger5439
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Curious? Why would he entertain coming back to a place that fired him at the drop of a hat.
LSU is an entity...run by people. The PEOPLE than ran LSU at the time fired him. Not "LSU". Those people are now gone and have been replaced (in one position) with a school President who happily employed Wade.
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We didnt fight for him at all like the rest of the schools who were in the same boat!
Same thing. The "we" in your statement are no longer in charge at LSU. The fans and donors did not want the change.
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How many of you pined for Saban and convinced yourselves he was coming back every time we had a coaching change? It almost never happens, but put yourselves through it again if you want.
When LSU had its first coaching change following Saban's departure (2016) Saban had been at Alabama for a decade, winning 4 national championships, an in the midst of heading towards another NC game while LSU was searching for a coach. There were no set of circumstances where Saban was going to leave Alabama at that time to take the LSU job, or any job.
Here, Wade is in year ONE at NC State following 7 of 8 years living/working in the state of Louisiana. He's currently being paid LESS than what LSU is paying their HC.
The two situations aren't even remotely comparable
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It's truly shocking he is still here. He must be a great negotiator with LSU lol
Not really. Here's why.
1. As bad as he was, LSU was not going to fire him after year 1. Particularly with a 7 year contract.
2. In year 2 he showed improvement. Now, improvement doesn't equal "good". But it was still improvement Given there was 5 years left on the contract he was retained for year 3.
3. Year 3. LSU was terrible, which, collectively, made LSU the least successful program in the SEC for that 3 year period. Most HCs would have been let go. In fact, looking at past history, most LSU HCs would have been let go then. Orgeron, Mainieri (who was nudged out) and Fargas were all let go after shorter and less egregiously poor performance. But this is where the situation is unique. LSU's former coach was still very popular with the fans/donors and he was winning at a high rate at another school in Louisiana. Connected people wanted him back at LSU. The Admin (Tate/Woodward) did not. The best way to avoid that standoff was to make the LSU job unavailable. That's why McMahon got year 4. Not because the admin was pleased with the "progress" or state of the program. They weren't dumb. They could see the losing and lack of interest. But because they wanted to kick the can down the road one more year to get rid of the "Wade problem" assuming (correctly) he would get a power conf. job after last season.
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You can give some passes early on with what he inherited,
That's because LSU was really the first school that lost (nearly) all of its roster due to a coaching change. At the time it seemed like a massive outlier. But if you paid attention to college basketball THAT SAME OFFSEASON you saw losing almost all of a roster due to a coaching change was the new norm. And it has been that way for 4 years. McMahon hasn't faced any massive hurdles any other new HC has had to deal with. But for whatever reason, contrarianism, sympathy, ignorance of basketball and the college basketball marketplace at large, etc, many fans (or at least a vocal minority) have bent over backwards to give him more grace/leeway than any other LSU coach in arguably the last 50 years...if not more.
re: Verge, you know what to do!
Posted by Alt26 on 1/15/26 at 2:41 pm to EastWestConnection
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I would think NC state is a more attractive job than LSU
People who like money might think otherwise.
NC State is paying Wade LESS than LSU is paying McMahon
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Will Wade is not a good in game coach. He’s a recruiter. That’s a fact.
How so?
Given that statement is a "fact" you should be able to explain it rather easily
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Like Dale Brown, he wasn't a great coach
Please explain
re: LSU not on the list. 4 LA Univ. in FED point shaving scheme. Antonio Blakeney major role.
Posted by Alt26 on 1/15/26 at 2:13 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Well thats a first. I'm shocked they aren't giving all the other schools a pass while pinning it on us
The feds looked at McMahon's teams and quickly decided there's no way a team could purposely have such poor results. No one actually engaging in point shaving would be THAT obvious.
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I think this is reasonable, and achievable for CMM, because I think it is unlikely that we'll qualify for the NCAA tournament, and it is the only thing that would keep CMM engaged to keep working to win. If he doesn't make the NCAA tournament, then he may get judged by the NIT tournament. He may have to play and make the NIT final to save his job. If he does make the NCAA tournament, then he will probably need to at least win one game. We'll soon see how much better we'll be with Thomas. If Thomas doesn't make much of a difference, then I don't think we'll even qualify for the NIT, and I think Ausberry will fire him.
The NIT!
How low are we going to set the bar for "success".? LSU is already the ONLY program in the SEC not to reach the NCAA Tournament in the last three seasons. And two of those programs, Texas and Oklahoma, have only been in the league for 1.5 seasons!
Speaking of Texas, they fired a coach last season who went to the NCAA Tournament three years straight. Including a trip to the Elite Eight. He called the game last night. But here at LSU we have people, in year 4, opining McMahon maybe should be judged by an NIT performance. Did you happen to catch the game the last time LSU was in the NIT? There were probably more people working the game than who actually paid to attend it. No one gives a shite about the NIT. Including coaches who have loftier goals than just "playing hard" and "not quitting". McMahon is not a make-a-wish recipient. He's a well paid professional who just hasn't gotten it done. It happens. It's nothing personal.
This is a lame duck year that was foisted upon the few remaining members of the fan base by a former administration who didn't want to make the LSU job open for their own personal reasons. I sincerely hope McMahon and the players can get some wins. I genuinely do. Losing sucks. I hated to see them lose last night. But it's beyond time to move on.
re: TPear Coming Home?!?!?
Posted by Alt26 on 1/15/26 at 1:29 pm to MRTigerFan
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Count me as one who will immediately buy season tickets if Wade is hired back.
Same here.
I had tickets during the Johnson and Jones tenures. I didn't renew after the Simmons season because (a) I knew the following season would just be a lame duck year which (b) made it easy to get tickets on the secondary market if I wanted to see a few games and (c) eliminated the obligation of feeling like a HAD to attend every game because I purchased season tickets. I jumped back in after hearing Wade's opening press conference because there was different sense of excitement coming from him and I thought it might be good to buy in "low" now in case this thing really takes off.
I kept the tickets after Wade was let go but ultimately declined to renew ahead of this year for all of the same reasons mentioned above. Chances are I'll likely renew regardless of who the new coach is. But if it is Wade I'm definitely back in because the atmosphere in the PMAC was a lot of fun. Hell, he managed to turn an otherwise meaningly NIT game vs. ULL into an intense atmosphere
:lol:
re: Wade will be our next coach
Posted by Alt26 on 1/15/26 at 12:48 pm to ChestRockwell
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Just a realist.
Who believes Brad Stevens will be stepping down as the Boston Celtics GM to return to college coaching at LSU :lol:
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I know it has been going on to a certain degree. But I fear it will become more and more commonplace and will ruin the sports experience.
To the contrary.
It's MUCH easier to catch now with so much data and information available than it was when point shaving schemes were being run by the mob and local bookies.
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Go offer Florida’s coach a million per year and just be done with it.
That's a good thought, but I just don't see it working considering he's currently making $6.75M per year at Florida.
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