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Kobe state line to win

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/15/10 at 7:14 pm
Over 22 pts. No more than 34
5 rebs
Over 6 assists
2 stls
1 blk
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In '96 he shot 41%
in '97 he shot 45%
In '98 he shot 42%

But his numbers in 91-93 where fricking insane



Kobe esque numbers...there were games when MJ was taking 30-35 shots...
MJ averaged at least 25 FGA per game during the Bulls finals runs. He just hit 50% of them though and his team played consistent team defense, much much better than the Celtics.

I also dont think Kobe leads any differently than Jordan, it is just that I believe Jordan had tougher nosed teammates that could take and relished under that leadership; Kerr, Buechler, Wennington, Harper, etc. Those guys were tough guys that didnt back down. They feared MJ so much that they wanted to play well for him so that hed shut the frick up.

Kobes teammates outside Fisher and Gasol and Odom( when he is alive on the court) and Bynum, I can't see it every night from them. Despite this, I look for them to win the series lol. IMO, Kobe's teammates fear him, yet they just dont know how to respond and cancel that fear appropriately.

re: Will Vince Young get a Suspension?

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/14/10 at 10:35 pm to
Vince hit a man..

Big Ben is accused of raping 2 different bitches on 2 different occassions..

Im sorry, I rather have VY throw down then have a face of the league out there allegedly rapping hoes

re: Kobe

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/14/10 at 10:03 pm to
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Allen, Pierce, and KG were all perennial losers and chokers before coming together.


They were Vince Carters

re: Kobe

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/14/10 at 10:03 pm to
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Odom not backing down and turning KG into a girl is what the Lakers need


I dont know what happened to this..the players literally have the free reign to do whatever they want since the ref (cough the league) decided before the finals that no one would get their 7th tech or get ejected unless it as totally outta bounds.

I think they are just dejected, but not intimidated

re: Kobe

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/14/10 at 10:00 pm to
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The sad truth is that this Celtics team reminds of a school yard bully. If you punch them one good time in the mouth, they are done. I think Kobe understands that, having done this to KG repeatedly while KG was in Minny.


I feel like that is a one of the best statements said about the series. When they are matched in terms of "physicality" they dont know how to react because teams usually bow down to them...

Kobe knows he cant be the only one swinging..
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and FYI Kobe played on a 34 win team (04), a 45 win team (05) and a 42 win team (06) in his prime

Jordan played on a 38 win team (84), a 30 win team (85) and a 40 win team (86) in his first three seasons



They were the same age at that time...

Kobe's career path is so hard to project to others because we won SO early..he was winning championships at 22.

You have to count his early sucess but then you have to consider that he wasnt the focal point at the time, so he wasnt going to be able to put up jordan points.

re: Kobe

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/13/10 at 11:56 pm to
thats what I meant.

In the end its still a team game.

Pierce carried them, and the others held their own defensively.

Kobe cant stop the celtics 1 on 5 on D

re: Kobe

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/13/10 at 11:35 pm to
Over/Under on Kobe Assists to win the next game?>

I say hes gotta have over 8 to get a W

re: Kobe

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/13/10 at 11:35 pm to
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Well, in their defense Kobe wasn't playing on that end of the floor either. And most guys in the NBA don't play good defense when they're just standing around on offense.


Bron's teammates helped him out when he did it in '07, Jordan's teammates helped him out when he went off.

Yeah Kobe didnt play great D, but he was playing enough to the point that if the others played about 90% on D, that they could compensate for his 75%-80%..and that has to give if he is gonna carry the load on the offensive end.

re: Kobe

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/13/10 at 11:32 pm to
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Oh and here's that Simmons quote:


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Kobe -- Greatness. Yes he's going to win some, but only because he wants to be considered great and that will be a by-product at times. But you'd also see him shoot his team out of a game; jack 3s when he should press the issue and get to the paint. He didn't mind losing a few games if people came away saying 'Kobe is great; look what happens when he doesn't shoot.


Honestly, that is the last thing Kobe was thinking about this night. It may sum up his career, but he was just trying to get the W tonight

re: Kobe

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/13/10 at 11:29 pm to
Well in Kobe's defense, he says, "well If we move the ball around, I get blamed for not taking over, AND we get blown out."

So what is a leader to do? Great leaders take control and put the team on their backs, and tell them to ride it out, and to HELP me.

Kobe did his part offensively, and the TEAM failed him in the 3rd quarter particulary in terms of team defense. They played the dumbest quarter ive seen a finals team play in sometime.

Jordan got away with those performances because his TEAM helped him out on defense and bailed him out. You can use the spectators excuse as an explanation in the FINALS. Not acceptable at all.
And as a leader, if a teammate isnt getting it down, and the job needs to be done, then the leader must suggest the 2nd best possible solution out there for his troops. If you can't take it, I dont know how you made it this far.

Kobe's teammates failed him today in the 3rd quarter. All he essentially asked them to do is to play one end of the court, and they couldnt even do that well.
Im okay with being outmatched...

But making Biddy ball game mistakes and being outhustled is something that I will never settle with
These guys have absolutely FAILED Kobe Byrant. You feel for a guy that puts it all out there, and his teammates play like deers in headlights for 3 straight games.

Odom, Artest, Brown, Farmar, Walton, Sasha...they all looked retarded out there; either scared of the moment or just forgot their assignments.

For three games, the lakers have had too many defensive lapses for a championship team. Entirely too many. Guys not knowing who the help off, guys not closing out, guys simply not putting a hand up in a shooters face (its the little things that make you a championship ball club), boxing out (its position and length, NOT STRENGTH).

Ron Artest and Odom are having an All-Tim finals choke job performances.

Bynum is gritting it out, and Kobe is trying to carry his team by doing the offensive, and just hoping for a stop.

Artest is making mistakes out their that your kids make in JV. Its tough to watch

I'm 20, and I can remember watching the finals since 1994, so that is 16 finals right their, and I havent seen a finals team play as dumb as the Lakers have in a three game stretch ever.

Its different if you are outmatched...but they are just playing stupid...
no specific order

Hakeem, Barkley, Pippen (1999)
Duncan, Robinson, Elliot (1999-2003)
Chambers, Barkley, Majerle
Webber, Vlade, Peja
Webber, Miller, Peja
Gasol, Bynum, Artest/Odom
Perkins, Garnett, Pierce
Kareem, Worth, Green
Pippen, Grant, Cartwright
Pippen, Rodman, Kuckov
Kemp, Detlef, Big Smooth
Howard, Webber, Muresan (I just realized this now, but I didn't recall it when i watched this series back in 1997 that they ran a 1-2-4-4-5 line up. Unbelieveable. I remember sensing this teams untapped potential at 7 years of age. They had alot of pieces with Rod Strickland at the PG. They pushed the bulls in the first round and I was legitimately scared that they could win the series)

Did I leave any out?

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The refs have allowed the Celtics to play that way for 3 years now. I am not sure if I have ever seen a legal screen set by Perkins, movves all teh time. And you are right both Garnett and Perkins just in a manner that dares the reft to call it. Phil will say something and get fined but the calls will go L.A.'s way in game 5.


Its ridculous and I can stand to watch it. It looks like a sissy bar fight. Honestly, KG is one of those guys that if you swing at his arse first, that he wont fight back. He seriously won't.

Theyve been getting credit for their D for three years, and theyve been playing 90s D in the neo-NBA for all three of them.

Anyways, the Celtics can't piece together a overall game, and once the Lakers get Bynum off of two days rest, I think they should be ready to go.

You are watching the same series as me, its horrendous
Garnett and Perkins are heralded as great defensive postmen, which I think is an overblown statement. Those two push their men off the block, hack, and foul on every post one on one iso they are involved in. Not to mention that they don't box out, they just push you out the way to rebounds.

Garnett is constantly throwing elbows and arms at guys and essentially is allowed by the refs to do so. Garnett should honestly be in severe foul trouble in every game (5 going into the four).

I am sick of it and I am sick of the refs letting them push Bynum and Gasol off the block. Its not good D, its fouling and its just garbage skill to say the least. If they push back, you know the refs always see the 2nd guy; its an offensive foul. Rasheed plays the cleanest non fouling post D out of all of them, and does it textbook like.

Jackson should send a tape in to the league office because thats how games are won. You bitch enough and you get a set of refs that ref the way they hear the media and everyone wants it to be called.
These to days off for Bynum are crucial
Looks as if the Pacers are still trying to get whiter

Troy
Dunleavy
Hansborough
Hayward
Granger



They seriously have him going at 10 to the pacers. this draft is weak

re: New Jersey Nets want CP3...

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/9/10 at 2:02 am to
Doesnt CP3 eliminate lebrons effectiveness because he is so relient on the P/R/Pop game? I can see it working if Lebron is the screener, if not that means Lebron is a spot up shooter or CP3 is..that diminishes their effectiveness

re: New Jersey Nets want CP3...

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/9/10 at 1:53 am to
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Okafor


Undersized and no touch.

Great.

I see what you guys are saying, and these rosters are good, and better theoretically than what they have now, but I am jsut against trading true quality 5s. They are so rare that; thats why they are hardly ever dealt. True quality 5's have probably the longest tenures on teams more so than any other position.

We are seeing it on display in the finals.

6'10 280 Perks, 6'11 1/2 250 KG vs 7'1 260 Gasol and 7'0 290 Bynum. Doesnt seem like that much of a difference, but the lakers are killing the celtics on their off glass and getting second chances.

Im not trading my 7'0 255 20 10 2 guy

re: New Jersey Nets want CP3...

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/9/10 at 1:48 am to
I jsut dont think you can trade away a potential consistent 20 10 2 guy. Look at duncan. Guys like that come in one out of probably every 7 to 8 drafts. They are so rare; they anchor teams for decades. You have better chances of finding a PG that can run a team well than a true 5 putting up those numbers.

The only people I would trade Lopez for are The all NBA first team, Dirk, Melo, and Nash.
Stupid trade...

15 of the starting PG in the NBA are quality starting PG

Kidd
Nash
Mo
Rose
Rondo
Billups
CP3
Deron
Westbrook
Curry/Ellis
Evans
Nelson
Parker
Brooks
Miller
Baron Davis

shite thats more than 18.

How many quality 5s are there in the league?

Howard
Bogut
Bynum
Ming
Kaman
Lopez

Thats it its a steep drop off after that. Lopez could be an anchor for front court for the next 9-10 years.

20 10 2 patroling the paint has won more championships than 18 10 5 has roaming the backcourt.

Can't teach size AND touch. Brooks for CP3 is a dumb trade

re: Derek Fisher > Robert Horry

Posted by EkarDrake on 6/9/10 at 1:35 am to
Horry wasnt taking anyone off the dribble.
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They can get to the airport ten minutes before takeoff dude


True, they probably have their bags checked hours in advance or bring it to the home game.

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they have couches and shite on the planes so they can lay on them and sleep


That is true, but its not like being at home.


I see what you are getting at, but I can only imagine that playing a grueling 40 mins in a NBA finals game, and then making a cross continental flight for 5 hours.

That has to be physically taxing
Possibly, but if the fly out the next day, say at 8 or 9 AM, the players still need to be at the Airport by atleast 7:30. I doubt many of them live close to Airport, so manyy of them had probably gotten up around 5:45 AM. Then you have to consider monday morning LA traffic; horrendous.

So these guys probably got home at 12, and woke up at 5:30. 5 1/2 hours of sleep.

Plane ride sleep is never as comfortable as a bed.

So they leave at 9. They get to Boston at 2 PM Pacific time. Thats 5PM Eastern. Go straight to TD Garden for a shootaround. 1 1/2-2 hours plus media time. Get back to the hotel at 9 to 10 PM.

That is physically and mentally taxing.