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re: Did any of you guys powerlift in high school or currently powerlift?
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 3/4/26 at 12:08 pm to lsu777
Agree, I hate it for the high school kids. Give them a little equipment for support and safety, but not all the crazy triple ply stuff, bench shirts, etc. You also price families out of the sport, a good suit for each lift alone can be hundreds of dollars.
I have friends in Texas who coach HS PL and they constantly fund raise so that that they can get new suits for district, regionals, state, etc. You can lose a little performance out of a suit after a while, not that much IMHO, but like anything else, parents/athletes feel the pressure to get that little something extra, added advantage, etc. and that can get expensive.
Plus, as I mentioned earlier, raw lifting and gear lifting are two different techniques for sure. I have friends that can only raw press say 365lbs. but can press 500lbs in a triple ply suit. I'm not a fan of all that. I would like to see high school kids train and compete raw or as close to it as possible, build a base of strength, and save the suits for if they compete in college or later in life.
I have friends in Texas who coach HS PL and they constantly fund raise so that that they can get new suits for district, regionals, state, etc. You can lose a little performance out of a suit after a while, not that much IMHO, but like anything else, parents/athletes feel the pressure to get that little something extra, added advantage, etc. and that can get expensive.
Plus, as I mentioned earlier, raw lifting and gear lifting are two different techniques for sure. I have friends that can only raw press say 365lbs. but can press 500lbs in a triple ply suit. I'm not a fan of all that. I would like to see high school kids train and compete raw or as close to it as possible, build a base of strength, and save the suits for if they compete in college or later in life.
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re: Did any of you guys powerlift in high school or currently powerlift?
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 3/4/26 at 10:55 am to tke_swamprat
Yes. I prefer raw lifting, wish high school would too, but if you compete without the suits you WILL be at a disadvantage. She will also need some time adjusting to squatting in the suit, as it IS a different groove for sure.
The stiffness is related to the "ply". Single ply, double ply, etc. Make sure your federation rules allow whatever you purchase. Theoretically the more ply the more performance. And yes, it can be about how much money you are willing to spend.
If if were ME, I would go with the single ply, don't spend a bunch of money on the first one, and just see how that goes first. She WILL get some pop out of the bottom of her squat no matter what the ply is. I always liked going with just the suit bottoms/straps down for a session or two before even pulling the straps up. Once the straps go up, she will have to learn to sit back in it, as the straps tend to want to pull you forward and out of your groove. Suits can also be uncomfortable for a first timer, hard to breath, leave bruises, etc. so be prepared for that.
Getting a good fit matters too. You will most likely start out with a stock size, the website will have recommendations on sizing based on her measurements, but everybody's body habitus is different, and as you progress you can always pay more and have them tailored to her shape.
Those are good companies. Inzer has been in the game the longest, I have always prefered their products. I DO think the newer velcro deadlift suits are better, Metal King, etc.
The stiffness is related to the "ply". Single ply, double ply, etc. Make sure your federation rules allow whatever you purchase. Theoretically the more ply the more performance. And yes, it can be about how much money you are willing to spend.
If if were ME, I would go with the single ply, don't spend a bunch of money on the first one, and just see how that goes first. She WILL get some pop out of the bottom of her squat no matter what the ply is. I always liked going with just the suit bottoms/straps down for a session or two before even pulling the straps up. Once the straps go up, she will have to learn to sit back in it, as the straps tend to want to pull you forward and out of your groove. Suits can also be uncomfortable for a first timer, hard to breath, leave bruises, etc. so be prepared for that.
Getting a good fit matters too. You will most likely start out with a stock size, the website will have recommendations on sizing based on her measurements, but everybody's body habitus is different, and as you progress you can always pay more and have them tailored to her shape.
Those are good companies. Inzer has been in the game the longest, I have always prefered their products. I DO think the newer velcro deadlift suits are better, Metal King, etc.
re: Did any of you guys powerlift in high school or currently powerlift?
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 3/3/26 at 2:28 pm to lsu777
I've trained high school athletes, all sports, and I have to remind them that we are NOT powerlifters, bodybuilders, etc. (even though at times we will train in a similar fashion) that we are training the way YOU (Lsu777) train kids, with the goal of tailoring training that will lead to improvement in their sport/craft.
All my clients, that is one of the first conversations, what is YOUR goal and how do we get there. Powerlifters typically care about one thing, their total. The sum of the weight they lift from the three lifts. How do they lift the most weight. Sure, they will gain some muscle in the process, but they are not bodybuilders, some are not necessarily great athletes, but very proficient in three static lifts/planes.
I WILL say that over time I have found some of the training methods and tools you mentioned as being beneficial to intermediate/advanced powerlifters, but more in their off season as a training block then. Variety is also the spice of life, and sometimes training the same three movements over and over gets stale, and over many years can also lead to repetitive stress injuries. That is when I am a big fan of conjugate/Westside concepts along with others.
All my clients, that is one of the first conversations, what is YOUR goal and how do we get there. Powerlifters typically care about one thing, their total. The sum of the weight they lift from the three lifts. How do they lift the most weight. Sure, they will gain some muscle in the process, but they are not bodybuilders, some are not necessarily great athletes, but very proficient in three static lifts/planes.
I WILL say that over time I have found some of the training methods and tools you mentioned as being beneficial to intermediate/advanced powerlifters, but more in their off season as a training block then. Variety is also the spice of life, and sometimes training the same three movements over and over gets stale, and over many years can also lead to repetitive stress injuries. That is when I am a big fan of conjugate/Westside concepts along with others.
re: Did any of you guys powerlift in high school or currently powerlift?
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 3/3/26 at 12:51 pm to lsu777
I think I am looking at this from strictly a powerlifting perspective (which I thought that the poster was interested in), and I think you are looking at this from a long term athlete building perspective. If that is the case, I don't disagree with you.
If you compete in a powerlifting meet(s), you absolutely want to follow a peaking cycle, you don't just want to train and let the chips fall where they may. Powerlifters compete in meets that are basically three attempts per lift at one rep maxes. If you don't prepare your body for that, regardless of age, you are asking for trouble. There is an "art" to performing max singles well, which is how you are "evaluated" at a powerlifting meet. Many lifters are good repetition lifters but struggle when it comes to a heavy single. But you also don' t want to do heavy singles all the time either for many reasons. A well planned peaking cycle is paramount IMHO.
I appreciate your input, I think you typically mean well and have much to offer. I could reveal my credentials in an effort to gain more credibility but that is not my style nor my interest.
If you compete in a powerlifting meet(s), you absolutely want to follow a peaking cycle, you don't just want to train and let the chips fall where they may. Powerlifters compete in meets that are basically three attempts per lift at one rep maxes. If you don't prepare your body for that, regardless of age, you are asking for trouble. There is an "art" to performing max singles well, which is how you are "evaluated" at a powerlifting meet. Many lifters are good repetition lifters but struggle when it comes to a heavy single. But you also don' t want to do heavy singles all the time either for many reasons. A well planned peaking cycle is paramount IMHO.
I appreciate your input, I think you typically mean well and have much to offer. I could reveal my credentials in an effort to gain more credibility but that is not my style nor my interest.
re: Did any of you guys powerlift in high school or currently powerlift?
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 3/3/26 at 10:22 am to lsu777
My intent was not to debate an engineer. Most of the engineers I have met feel like they are the smartest guys in the room and eager to prove it to you.
I was just offering my advice based on experience to a poster, the mistake I made was that I meant to reply to HIM and should not have technically replied to your post. So you win, and I will refrain from picking apart the holes in your reply.
I was just offering my advice based on experience to a poster, the mistake I made was that I meant to reply to HIM and should not have technically replied to your post. So you win, and I will refrain from picking apart the holes in your reply.
re: Did any of you guys powerlift in high school or currently powerlift?
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 3/3/26 at 8:52 am to lsu777
If I read the original post correctly, we are discussing a female freshman in high school. I think many mean well in these replies, but some of the replies are also the biggest mistakes I see with young kids. Us "smart guys" WAY overthinking this.
The Westside program is great, I use a lot of it's concepts. But I am also a seasoned veteran. I also dial the volume back because I am PED free. I think there is a time and place to introduce these things, usually later in their development.
At that age and minimal experience, the best thing she can do is focus on the squat, bench, and deadlift. I would not be adding in all of these different movements now. She has not done anywhere near close enough reps on the big 3 yet to be proficient at it. If you need some sort of program to follow for peaking, any basic progressive/linear overload should work at this stage, i.e. as the contest gets closer the weights get heavier and reps get lower. She will make significant gains just by creating the neural pathways involved in moving weights in these positions. I would also be trying different positioning when not peaking for a contest. Bar placement on her back for squats, stance, where toes point, etc. Hand and foot placement on bench, arch, sumo vs. conventional with DL, focusing on technique. It took me a few years to master my mechanics and figure out my best leverages.
When I was that age, i would run say a 12 week peaking cycle, set PR's in each lift, then reset the next cycle/percentages based off of the new PR. If the goals are reasonalbe (say 5% for BP, 8-10% for SQ/DL), you should be able to repeat this progression for a while before plateauing.
At some point you WILL plateau, and that is when you start the tweaking IMHO. But they ALL need a base of strength that they just don't have at that age. I would keep it simple, the big 3 lifts, a compound movement for each lift that supplements it, and maybe an accessory lift or two, address a glaring weakness for each lift, etc.
The Westside program is great, I use a lot of it's concepts. But I am also a seasoned veteran. I also dial the volume back because I am PED free. I think there is a time and place to introduce these things, usually later in their development.
At that age and minimal experience, the best thing she can do is focus on the squat, bench, and deadlift. I would not be adding in all of these different movements now. She has not done anywhere near close enough reps on the big 3 yet to be proficient at it. If you need some sort of program to follow for peaking, any basic progressive/linear overload should work at this stage, i.e. as the contest gets closer the weights get heavier and reps get lower. She will make significant gains just by creating the neural pathways involved in moving weights in these positions. I would also be trying different positioning when not peaking for a contest. Bar placement on her back for squats, stance, where toes point, etc. Hand and foot placement on bench, arch, sumo vs. conventional with DL, focusing on technique. It took me a few years to master my mechanics and figure out my best leverages.
When I was that age, i would run say a 12 week peaking cycle, set PR's in each lift, then reset the next cycle/percentages based off of the new PR. If the goals are reasonalbe (say 5% for BP, 8-10% for SQ/DL), you should be able to repeat this progression for a while before plateauing.
At some point you WILL plateau, and that is when you start the tweaking IMHO. But they ALL need a base of strength that they just don't have at that age. I would keep it simple, the big 3 lifts, a compound movement for each lift that supplements it, and maybe an accessory lift or two, address a glaring weakness for each lift, etc.
re: Harold Perkins didn't participate in any drills at the NFL combine today
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 2/27/26 at 12:54 pm to MasterAbe1
Many LSU guys do this, LSU pro day tends to have better times than the combine, faster surface, looser rules, home field advantage, etc.
re: Jason Garrett says Saban made call to pass on Drew Brees in Miami "We're not doing that!"
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 2/12/26 at 12:23 pm to Jack Ruby
Even Saban has been wrong a lot in player evaluations. He went by metrics/measureables a lot just like the NFL.
re: 2026 Louisiana HS Baseball Season
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 2/12/26 at 9:14 am to LSUgrad88
Could not agree more. With VERY few exceptions (Nolan Ryan?) pitchers only have so many bullets in the chamber, you have to use them judiciously. Any chance you get to preserve them I think you should. It can be argued that most pitchers are done after high school, so why use this approach, "better to burn out than fade away" but I think you always have to look at the long game not the short game and what is best for them, as you don't know what their future holds and you want to give them every advantage moving forward.
re: Bossier and Morgan City soccer teams were checking knuckles
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 2/12/26 at 9:05 am to SteveLSU35
Bossier High kids have always been a tough group, other side of the railroad tracks.
re: This is freaking horrible
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 2/8/26 at 8:18 pm to red sox fan 13
NFL quality been trending down
re: How many NFL teams would Indiana have beaten this past season?
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 2/7/26 at 9:03 am to Bestbank Tiger
Most vastly underestimate how hard it is just to make an NFL 53 man roster.
re: Does it seem like the hype and anticipation for this Super Bowl is less this year?
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 2/6/26 at 11:09 am to SPEEDY
Enough people will probably watch for them to get decent ratings, it IS the Superbowl, but many are tired of the NFL Woke politics, diminishing quality of play/product on the field, choices for half-time entertainment that only appeal to less than half the population, etc. They just don't seem to want to appeal to ALL the viewers/fans anymore.
re: Dandy Don: Top Louisiana Football Prospects for the Class of 2027
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 2/5/26 at 1:20 pm to SwampBooty
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Guessing you mean his last 5 games before the Neville game, he ran for negative yards against that defense.
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riffin should easily be top 20 regardless of which sport he projects in. His last 5 games or so were insane.
Guessing you mean his last 5 games before the Neville game, he ran for negative yards against that defense.
re: The hardest part of being a parent
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 2/3/26 at 1:00 pm to LSUweights
You and yours remain in our thoughts and prayers.
re: How would Jordan's Bulls fare in today's NBA?
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 1/30/26 at 4:26 pm to Rankest
Probably go undefeated against today’s softies.
re: 2026 Louisiana HS Baseball Season
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 1/29/26 at 3:34 pm to lsu777
Just never came across somebody who knows THAT much about virtually every player in the state/region/nation. No disrespect intended, just seems a bit much.
Maybe just me, but is it really just "knowing who the best players on the other team are". When I was a kid I could quote almost every MLB players stats from reading the back of baseball cards. You are obviously gifted and passionate in that area. Radar gun speeds for every pitch of every kid, max exit velocities, their travel ball team history, impressive. It was just an observation, not personal. Multiple methods to calibrate your pocket radar, you HAVE to be an engineer! LOL That might explain your analytical nature. i am sure many on here appreciate your takes.
Yes, you have forgotten more travel baseball than I will ever know, and I can only imagine what it is like to have multiple athletic kids like that doing big things. Best of luck to you and your sons.
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do you know why? its because he was constantly in trouble at SLC and hated the coach. so he left and his brother followed. then his brother got mad at the coach at barbe over playing time....so he left and went back to SLC....notice an issue there? think maybe the family might be the issue?
Maybe just me, but is it really just "knowing who the best players on the other team are". When I was a kid I could quote almost every MLB players stats from reading the back of baseball cards. You are obviously gifted and passionate in that area. Radar gun speeds for every pitch of every kid, max exit velocities, their travel ball team history, impressive. It was just an observation, not personal. Multiple methods to calibrate your pocket radar, you HAVE to be an engineer! LOL That might explain your analytical nature. i am sure many on here appreciate your takes.
Yes, you have forgotten more travel baseball than I will ever know, and I can only imagine what it is like to have multiple athletic kids like that doing big things. Best of luck to you and your sons.
re: 2026 Louisiana HS Baseball Season
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 1/29/26 at 8:37 am to GEAUX4
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You sure like to watch middle schoolers play baseball huh?
It IS very creepy. Why stop at the class of 2031? How does 2035 project for those high schools? To know THAT much about so many young kids, it should be a red flag.
re: Bill Belichick is not a first ballot hall of famer
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 1/27/26 at 9:09 pm to thelegendofthepast
NFL finally exposed for the joke that it is
re: UFC 324: Gaethje vs Pimblett - The Paramount Era Begins! (1/24/26, 4PM CT)
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 1/24/26 at 10:35 pm to hashtag
Song got robbed.
re: 2026 Louisiana HS Baseball Season
Posted by TigerAlum93 on 1/17/26 at 3:24 pm to Tiger Ike
Barbe will destroy the 5A division.
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