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AUBfanatic
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re: Cecil Newtons unending church "funding" hunt from 2008-2010
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 5:05 pm to scambuster
As much as we'd like to believe those answers would draw this discussion to a close, it won't happen. The mob mentality is too strong against Cam for logic to prevail despite the facts and official NCAA rulings that have already been established. Just know that hatred is the sincerest form of flattery when it comes to CFB.
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re: Epic Meltdown in History
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 4:52 pm to RammerJammerBammer
This is stupid question.....how do you suppose any fanbase would react if they lost?
re: Nationally speaking; when was the last time the BCSCG matchup...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 4:48 pm to RollTigers
Relatively speaking I would agree with that. I just found it humorous that the OP honestly believes that the majority of those interested in watching a BCSCG game wouldn't know where Auburn was located. Come on OP, you've got to admit you may have pushed the flame up a little too much with that remark.
re: Cecil Newtons unending church "funding" hunt from 2008-2010
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 4:42 pm to scambuster
That's been out for a while. Cecil turned over church records to the NCAA very early in this story. You'd assume they would have already investigated the assumption you're trying to draw wouldn't you?
If so, the Infractions Committe has the information and the NCAA reinstated Cam and is eligible with no conditions.
This story is over unless new information comes to light implicating Cam in knowing about the scheme, Auburn paying Cam, or Cecil soliciting Auburn.
If so, the Infractions Committe has the information and the NCAA reinstated Cam and is eligible with no conditions.
This story is over unless new information comes to light implicating Cam in knowing about the scheme, Auburn paying Cam, or Cecil soliciting Auburn.
re: Nationally speaking; when was the last time the BCSCG matchup...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 4:24 pm to Esarhaddon
I think so too. The SECCG ratings are not a great barometer in determining the projected ratings of the BCSCG. The SECCG game was a blowout by middle of the 3rd quarter. Cam on and off the field has brought plenty of attention to Auburn and the country will watch barring an early blowout.
re: Nationally speaking; when was the last time the BCSCG matchup...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 4:17 pm to Esarhaddon
Agreed
re: Nationally speaking; when was the last time the BCSCG matchup...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 4:14 pm to FTBLFN
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Just a quick FYI...I went to auburn for a year and have a lot of friends who are auburn grads.
So your assertion that my friends may not be sharp tools is probably true.
Wow...I'm just going to let your retort stand on its own merit as to why your previous assertion is misguided.
re: Nationally speaking; when was the last time the BCSCG matchup...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 4:06 pm to FTBLFN
I'd say that any logical deductive reasoning would lead one to think that you and who you choose to surround yourself with might not be the sharpest tools in the shed. Most CFB fans know who Auburn is and where they're from.
re: Nationally speaking; when was the last time the BCSCG matchup...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 4:01 pm to FTBLFN
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Is auburn nationally prominent?
Considering most people outside of the sec still don't know what state it's in...no.
Wow! Do you get any cred on this board at all? You've basically just stated that the entire country are a bunch of morons.
To pacify your own unfounded ego, consider that the Iron Bowl is a nationally 'prominent' game nearly every year and the two teams that play in it are known to be within the same state.
re: Nationally speaking; when was the last time the BCSCG matchup...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 3:42 pm to Funky Tide 8
Great, if we didn't have Bama fans thinking they were the best team every season then it would really take a lot of the fun out of being an Auburn fan. I don't think you'll ever understand it but Roll Tide Roll right.
re: Nationally speaking; when was the last time the BCSCG matchup...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 3:34 pm to Bench McElroy
Most Auburn fans will concede that we are the percieved as the 2nd school in AL with other AU fans. I enjoy that position and wouldn't want it any other way. I love being the underdog.
re: I'm too lazy to get ready to go out - The Friday After Finals IM
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/11/10 at 2:18 am to Duke
I have to fly to New Orleans for a grand total of 18 hours in the 'Big Easy' in about 4 hours. It feels like I'm going to a party that's about to die out. Hopefully I can catch some Z's on the plane.
re: hog fans?
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 11:04 pm to ryanrains
I've come to enjoy this site when I need non homer perspective or want to get into a bash. Its all in good fun
re: Rank the SEC football jobs
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 11:01 pm to smelvis
I'm ok with the list. I think it goes without saying that the schools can shift 2-3 spots within any given 3 year period in respect to the staffs they have in place.
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 9:26 pm to Bellabama
Looking back, I think I've covered most of what you asked at some point and will address anything left out that I missed.
If winning this contest is your goal then I will concede now as the point is futile understanding that neither one of us can draw a definitive conclusion from the facts at hand.
Your Forbes article and use of the Bama text book example have little to nothing in common with this case as those infractions were admitted and remained within the school at which they occurred. Bravo for posting a link but the relevance is weak and only serves to illustrate that players can be retroactively made ineligible. I don't contest that fact. What you're failing to acknowledge is that the NCAA declared Cam ineligible and immediately reinstated him with 'no conditions'. If you refer to past NCAA cases 'conditions' or 'vacated wins' were issued as a penalty. Its been stated that NCAA investigations typically remain open after eligibility is granted to said player. If this is status quo then why are you hanging your theory on it as if its something unique to the Cam case? Again, I'm following your line of logic above and you seem to have contradicted yourself there. I understand that the NCAA statement states that the enforcement body and reinstatement body act independent of one another but a passive browse of any given NCAA investigation will clearly illustrate that the two bodies are not mutually exclusive. For your benefit, please search Donald Maurice Jackson's NCAA cases and/or recent interviews. His work will illustrate this in vivid detail. I'm not sure why you are so adamant about that point. That may not have been you so my apologies if I paraphrased incorrectly yet again. By suggesting that the two bodies are totally mutually exclusive infers that the enforcement body's ultimate determination trumps the reinstatement process's position with no dialogue taking place prior to the decision. Unlikely in most cases. Highly improbable in this one given the high profile and inherent stakes on the table if they make a mistake.
I'd really like some insight into why you feel the NCAA was forced to act in the time frame the ruling came down as opposed to kicking the can further down the road. Also, what do you believe the NCAA or process gains in stating a ruling if the investigation is in full throttle?
I can do without the pissing contest if you're up for it.
I guess in the end it really doesn't matter what I think but to have thought any different from the outset of this discussion makes one seem mentally small. We're two anonymous posters on a site called Tigerdroppings and its all in good fun. If I wanted to discuss the issue in a non hostile environment then I would go to an Auburn site but what fun would that be?
I know I haven't covered all of the points here that you believe I'm dodging but I will gladly address anything you've got and hopefully you'll provide some perspective on the points I issued to you.
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 7:26 pm to Bellabama
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You've stopped making sense. You don't even understand what I have said. Then you paraphrase what you think I say, and argue my incorrectly paraphrased point, and tell me that I am changing my tone and I'm a bammer.
I don't even think you don't understand that you haven't offered any facts.
Go figure out what I said. Use quotes. Go figure out what the NCAA said, use quotes.
When people ask you to clarify, because you haven't used any facts or legitimate arguments, don't tell them to go google.
And by all means, before you call someone a bammer, get your shite together so you don't look utterly inept and retarded.
I feel like I have just been arguing with a retarded 3 year old, and I am even more of a fool for spending the last 2 hours doing it.
WOW.
What's been so intriguing about this debate is the total lack of substance from you Bella. You keep attacking my paraphrasing or inability to follow your intellectual prowess and yet you've refused to acknowledge any of my points. I find you hypocritical and really good with a thesaurus on the fly. Do me a favor and read back your posts and tell me why it may be difficult to follow you. Your last post to me is particularly hilarious in that you decide to equate me to a child with a mental imparement. That's classy. As far as my background, it would literally blow your mind if you knew what I do and where I was educated. You had a good game early on until you degenerated into the bammer that you are and went 'full retard' Thanks for playing.
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 6:32 pm to memphisplaya
I don't know what that means...
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 6:28 pm to myree
Sorry for the ommision. I had to join reality briefly. Bella, you seem to come across as an intelligent person but its fairly easy to mock a person arguing a point while they sit back and refuse to answer any questions themselves. I'd be more than happy to walk you through the situation as I interpret it without all of the fan rah rah from my previous posts. I'd ask that you pay the same respect and maybe just maybe we can at least reach a logical agreement that there is a logical argument from the pro Auburn perspective. I've already conceded that I fully understand the arguments from your camp.
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 5:13 pm to memphisplaya
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a) why the NCAA might have decided it was best to make a ruling on his eligibility now, as opposed to a non statement either way.
I understand that an investigation is officially open. I also understand that Auburn could be found to have done something that would vacate wins. You've now pesuaded me to look at this entirely different and I now realize that Auburn has clearly violated NCAA bylaws. I realize now that Auburn basically threw the middle finger up to the NCAA by continuing to play Cam when any other school would have known to sit him. I realize now that despite the majority of the country being totally unaware of who Cam Newton was, Auburn decided to pay his dad $180,000 on the hopes that he would be as great as he appeared at Blinn. A fair gamble considering how many 4 and 5 star recruits every single year end up being total busts but the risk/reward for paying the player makes total sense. I also believe that Auburn pays for every player that commits to Auburn because why else would you ever want to attend our school. Right? I feel so much better now. Thanks guys, its been a pleasure and thank you for freeing me of my Auburn shackles. Hoorah!!!
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 4:54 pm to BamaChick
Ok, so I left Nov 4th because I was anxious over how my feeling may or not be hurt with the Cam Situation and then randomly decided on a Thursday night that Auburn was in the clear and it was time to ramp up the bashing campaign? You guys got me pegged. By the way, what kind of weirdo actually pulls up people's profiles. Actually, that tells me a lot. I've got to hit the road, but I'll make sure to write often so as not to look too afraid of you faceless internet posters. LOL Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 4:50 pm to DvlsAdvocat
I only came here to brush up on LSU before our game. I was disinterested in the site afterwards. Sorry to spoil your timeline theory though.
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 4:46 pm to Bellabama
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I think it's fairly clear to the average poster at this point that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but you think you do.
Oh Bella, your tone changed so quickly once I exposed how your brilliant retort made absolutly no sense in respect to this case. I know everything that an outsider can possibly know about this case which, unfortunately, isn't a lot. I thought we were toast for quite a while until I researched various infraction cases and compared notes with other lawyers. I do feel I know more about this than you do and am increasingly confident that you may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer yourself.
I forgot which one you said this but, you believe that the enforcement side of the NCAA had no insight into the obvious determination to declare Cam ineligible for one day only to reinstate him immediately?
You believe that the NCAA would prefer to let a team/player finish their season, said player collect awards, and allow the team to participate in two championship games if they had the slightest doubt about the case as they understood it today would eventually result in the forfeiture of wins etc?
I just think its more plausible that the NCAA doesn't have anything on Auburn and is unwilling to penalize Auburn for an infraction that occurred at MSU based on the documented actions of the NCAA. Its a fact and to suggest that Auburn is facing something larger down the road only makes sense if Auburn is found to have done something wrong which is baseless at this point. That Bella, is why your argument to the contrary wreaks of sour grapes. I'm sorry the Tide faithful paid $6 million for a 9-3 season and you've had to watch Auburn accomplish everything you thought you would have enjoyed this year but spare me. Your just another Bammer
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 4:26 pm to Bellabama
Bella, that's been my point the whole time. Assuming Auburn did not pay the Newtons or do anything wrong, are you at peace with the current NCAA ruling? The answer is evident in your posts and that's why its just as humorous to watch individuals jump to conclusions looking for a hint or glimmer of hope that their program didn't fail them this year and to justify their shortcomings as victims of the most shameful scandal to blemish the face of college football.
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 4:14 pm to BamaChick
Wow Bamachick! You really brought your A game. That's the first time I've seen those quotes (insert sarcastic smile here)
The belief that the enforcement and eligibility sides of the NCAA act totally independent of one another is comical. That has circulated for several days now and I ask that you do a little research into the validity of that premise. FYI--its a short wait on the answer
The belief that the enforcement and eligibility sides of the NCAA act totally independent of one another is comical. That has circulated for several days now and I ask that you do a little research into the validity of that premise. FYI--its a short wait on the answer
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 4:09 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Look I understand the frustration if you've only followed the headlines. Bush was eventually found to have committed an infraction at USC. Auburn should be sanctioned if they are found to have committed an infraction. If Auburn payed Newton than they should be punished. I've said that over and over. I just don't think its going to happen and to follow your logic Bella, I guess its just as ridiculous to believe that nothing more will come of this as it is to condemn a person without knowing all of the facts.
On a side note: Have any of you been able to pull up some case study on the NCAA declaring a player ineligible soley based on the act of solicitation? Keep looking....
On a side note: Have any of you been able to pull up some case study on the NCAA declaring a player ineligible soley based on the act of solicitation? Keep looking....
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 4:00 pm to BamaChick
Its common knowledge that the investigation is ongoing. If I made a statement saying otherwise, then please disregard. I'm not going back to see I'll just take your word for it. Text book scandal and Derek Rose involved cases where the institution agreed that a violation occurred. Bama decided to sit their players. NCAA I guess said that's not enough and vacated wins. Probably has a lot to do with Bama's refusal to come out of probation. Please dispute my logic in stating that the NCAA knows more about this than you and has done everything in their power to ensure Auburn has not been harmed. The hammer wielding NCAA is going out of their way to ensure Auburn isn't harmed through this process. Why is that?
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 3:40 pm to Bellabama
Bella, that guy was found to have violated the NCAA rules. That was what you were building up to? Wow, I'm sorry. I'll try to clarify, if Cam or Auburn are found to have committed an infraction of NCAA rules then they should be punished accordingly. I hope that helps you out in some way.
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 3:37 pm to Bellabama
I don't know Bella. You may be Mike Slive himself. I know I poured over the NCAA website for hours to better understand what was happening, not ESPN or message board. Here's a fact for you though. The NCAA has no issue with declaring players ineligible until they conclude an investigation. The NCAA has more information on this case than you or I. The NCAA ruled Cam Newton eligible to play with 'No conditions'. How can you possibly argue anything beyond your belief knowing that the ruling body knows more about the subject than you do as a mere spectator. That just baffles me.
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 3:30 pm to DvlsAdvocat
Right. I just ask that you guys clearly plan out the logic behind your statements before commiting to print. The text book case doesn't even apply to this situation considering the university conceded the infraction. Auburn has stated they have done nothing wrong and that is why the NCAA is refusing to punish Auburn.
I'd also ask that any of you on this board reference an example where the NCAA declared a player ineligible SOLEY based on solicitation. I'd also emplore you to google the plethora of cases where solicitations alone were made and the player remained eligible. Here's a hint: there are plenty of examples of this for you to pour over and try to reason why the Cam situation may be different.
I'd also ask that any of you on this board reference an example where the NCAA declared a player ineligible SOLEY based on solicitation. I'd also emplore you to google the plethora of cases where solicitations alone were made and the player remained eligible. Here's a hint: there are plenty of examples of this for you to pour over and try to reason why the Cam situation may be different.
re: I've changed my mind...
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 3:20 pm to geauxtigahs87
Wasn't it you that said 'Auburn payed for Cam' as if that was just a known fact?
Sorry, I'm going to go with the NCAA's findings considering they have more information than anyone else other than the principles involved. I'm sorry if I don't subscribe to the message board theorists. Just ask yourself, is it remotely plausible that the NCAA might know more about this than I do even after reading every post and every article on ESPN? If the answer is no then you're one of those people that have made this one of the funniest spectacles an Auburn fan could ever dream to be a part of. Its truly hilarious from this perspective.
Sorry, I'm going to go with the NCAA's findings considering they have more information than anyone else other than the principles involved. I'm sorry if I don't subscribe to the message board theorists. Just ask yourself, is it remotely plausible that the NCAA might know more about this than I do even after reading every post and every article on ESPN? If the answer is no then you're one of those people that have made this one of the funniest spectacles an Auburn fan could ever dream to be a part of. Its truly hilarious from this perspective.
re: Aubies representin in Manhatten
Posted by AUBfanatic on 12/10/10 at 3:11 pm to bama my heart
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But it was our home.
That's your justification. I let a lot slide with the students and what they do, but having the great institution of the University of Alabama play 'Take the Money and Run' and 'Son of Preacher' on the stadium PA system is just embarrassing. Its embarrassing to even be associated with the program by virtue of being in the same state when that story went national. If you're anything short of totally embarrassed by that then I don't see us really coming to a mutual understanding of one another.
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