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Not specific to the topic, but ESPN Sports Science was a highly analytical show that would dissect game film and even tested some active athletes in an athletic lab test setting.
They had a competition for the Best Athlete of All-Time:
Bo Jackson- 1st place
He beat Jim Brown (2nd place) in the finals.
Bo actually beat Michael Jordan in the semifinals.
This was the BEST ATHLETE not the most accomplished or greatest champion but the guy you’d pick if you were competing in an athletic event but you didn’t know what the even would be beforehand.
They had a competition for the Best Athlete of All-Time:
Bo Jackson- 1st place
He beat Jim Brown (2nd place) in the finals.
Bo actually beat Michael Jordan in the semifinals.
This was the BEST ATHLETE not the most accomplished or greatest champion but the guy you’d pick if you were competing in an athletic event but you didn’t know what the even would be beforehand.
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Herschel was the more durable football player but Bo was more electric and agile, shifty.
See the number of college carries and yards per carry in college for reference.
Herschel Walker in 3 seasons
5259 yards, 994 rushes, 5.3 yards per rush
Bo Jackson in 4 seasons
4303 yards, 650 rushes, 6.6 yards per rush
Herschel was a workhorse. He had many more rushes in fewer seasons but Bo averaged almost 25% more yards per rush (6.6-5.3)/(5.3) which is a lot.
Bo played with several other RBs that played in the NFL such as Agee, Little Train Lionel James and Brent Fullwood who was a top 4 overall draft pick.
In terms of speed, their times are so close that it’s futile to debate as Herschel focused more on track in college than Bo & Deion Sanders for that matter.
Back in those days, they ran the 60 yard dash. To convert to the metric system, they often times try to convert the 60 yard time to a 55 meter time and the times get skewed slightly as 60 yards is actually 54.864 meters.
To my knowledge, they raced 2x in college and split 1 to 1 over 60 yards.
In the 60 yard dash,
Herschel was in the 6.12-6.15 range
Bo was in the 6.15-6.18 range in far fewer races
Bo & Deion both played college baseball which overlapped with track. Hence, they rarely practiced track. No matter how good of a natural athlete you are you will not reach your fastest time without some level of practice, not even in the 60 yard dash and definitely not the 100m dash as you will not have the speed maintenance without the track reps.
See the number of college carries and yards per carry in college for reference.
Herschel Walker in 3 seasons
5259 yards, 994 rushes, 5.3 yards per rush
Bo Jackson in 4 seasons
4303 yards, 650 rushes, 6.6 yards per rush
Herschel was a workhorse. He had many more rushes in fewer seasons but Bo averaged almost 25% more yards per rush (6.6-5.3)/(5.3) which is a lot.
Bo played with several other RBs that played in the NFL such as Agee, Little Train Lionel James and Brent Fullwood who was a top 4 overall draft pick.
In terms of speed, their times are so close that it’s futile to debate as Herschel focused more on track in college than Bo & Deion Sanders for that matter.
Back in those days, they ran the 60 yard dash. To convert to the metric system, they often times try to convert the 60 yard time to a 55 meter time and the times get skewed slightly as 60 yards is actually 54.864 meters.
To my knowledge, they raced 2x in college and split 1 to 1 over 60 yards.
In the 60 yard dash,
Herschel was in the 6.12-6.15 range
Bo was in the 6.15-6.18 range in far fewer races
Bo & Deion both played college baseball which overlapped with track. Hence, they rarely practiced track. No matter how good of a natural athlete you are you will not reach your fastest time without some level of practice, not even in the 60 yard dash and definitely not the 100m dash as you will not have the speed maintenance without the track reps.
Heard that Henry Ruggs and Devonta Smith have both looked good and very explosive.
Also heard that Ruggs set the Bama football GPS speed record during a recent session where his speed reach 25 mph.
Also heard that Ruggs set the Bama football GPS speed record during a recent session where his speed reach 25 mph.
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I agree with Remaster.
Julio is one of the greatest recievers of all time, but in terms of college, when comparing the two, both have decent arguements.
If I were making them on NCAA 14:
Julio:
Catch: 75
Spectacular Catch:99
Catch in Traffic: 90
Speed: 89
Route Running: 85
Strength:85
Injury: 70
Cooper:
Catch: 99
Spectacular Catch:90
Catch in Traffic: 90
Speed: 85
Route Running: 99
Strength:85
Injury: 90
Coop had more yards but benifited from a different offense. I'd still take him over Julio if I had to pick one.
So you are saying Julio displayed more "speed" in college than Amari?
Julio is much faster in the NFL than what he ever displayed in college. In fact, most predicted Julio was a mid 4.5x guy heading into the 2011 NFL Draft. Not sure if he was injured throughout his Bama career but he definitely didn't display more on-field speed than Amari.
It amazes me how players' NFL careers impacts people's "perception" of their college careers.
re: Bama head trainer just leaked freak secret freshman speed of 25 mph
Posted by Remy74 on 7/2/17 at 5:12 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Bama head trainer just leaked freak secret freshman speed of 25 mph
A 10.12 100m dash in an NCAA sanctioned track meet is a faster time than any other football player in the league has posted in their life. That was Tony's personal best for what it's worth, but it's still better than anyone else's personal best
Trindon Holliday ran 10.00 and won the NCAA Championship when he was at LSU-RB.
Jeff Demps ran 10.01- Florida RB
Others SEC footballers that ran faster:
Sam Graddy 10.09- Tennessee WR
Willie Gault 10.10- Tennessee WR
Mike Miller 10.11- Tennessee WR
"Likely" faster as well.....
John Capel- Florida WR
Bo Carroll- Florida RB
To be fair, those conditions in Eugene yielded PRs for 80% of the 24 runners in the 100 meter dash heats, including a 9.82 run that set the NCAA All-Time record. Brown ran 10.12 but not make the finals which consisted of 8 runners.
Jackson and Brown both ran at the SEC Track Championships in separate heats but the conditions were comparable.
-Jackson- 10.23 with 0.7 m/s tailwind and made finals where he was injured and didn't run again all season.
-Brown- 10.37 with 1.8 m/s tailwind and did not qualify for the finals
***Brown had the better conditions above as the 1.8 m/s tailwind should yield ~ .1 faster 100m time than a 0.7 m/s tailwind does.
***There are 100m dash "basic time" calculators available that factor in conditions and estimate the time benefit/detriment of said conditions***
Running your best time in the 100m is really about being in the best conditions possible (e.g. very hot, humid, tailwind, fast-bouncy-elastic track as all tracks are NOT the same).
Brown has the faster PR but Jackson has run faster times consistently and is probably the bigger threat to beat John Ross' 4.22.
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You really are a glutton for punishment over on BOL.
They really don't like it when you post.
A lion does NOT concern himself with the opinion of sheep!
You can quote this on BOL.......Better yet, I will do so the next time I post there.
My LinkedIn profile is in my signature on BOL........on purpose.....I am NOT hard to find for anyone that really has a problem with me.
re: Henry Ruggs ran a 10.53 hundred meters.
Posted by Remy74 on 4/30/17 at 8:04 pm to Commander Data
Ruggs ran 10.42 a couple (2) weeks ago.
State Meet is coming up in 5-6 days.
40 yard dash and 100m times are not perfectly correlated.....but guys that have run 10.4x in high school are the guys that have run 4.2x/ low 4.3x at the NFL Combine.
Dri Archer
DeMarcus Van Duke
The CB from Minnesota this year
Keith Marshall
John Ross- was a 10.6x guy in high school
Percy Harvin- 10.4x (ran 4.41 on injured ankle but was legit 4.3x when healthy)
Reggie Bush- 10.4x
State Meet is coming up in 5-6 days.
40 yard dash and 100m times are not perfectly correlated.....but guys that have run 10.4x in high school are the guys that have run 4.2x/ low 4.3x at the NFL Combine.
Dri Archer
DeMarcus Van Duke
The CB from Minnesota this year
Keith Marshall
John Ross- was a 10.6x guy in high school
Percy Harvin- 10.4x (ran 4.41 on injured ankle but was legit 4.3x when healthy)
Reggie Bush- 10.4x
re: Final 32 5* players for 247 released
Posted by Remy74 on 1/17/17 at 8:55 pm to Blanky6715
Ruggs is the best "athlete" I've ever seen in Alabama High School Sports over the past 30-35 years.
Kid is SUPER-explosive. 41 inch vertical, 4.35-4.38 speed over 40 yards and some of the SICKEST dunks you'll see in high school basketball games.
He's the best player on his high school basketball team that is currently 20-1 in Alabama's largest classification.
Henry Ruggs Senior Highlights
1 of Ruggs' Dunks- NASTY
Kid is SUPER-explosive. 41 inch vertical, 4.35-4.38 speed over 40 yards and some of the SICKEST dunks you'll see in high school basketball games.
He's the best player on his high school basketball team that is currently 20-1 in Alabama's largest classification.
Henry Ruggs Senior Highlights
1 of Ruggs' Dunks- NASTY
Weed is not a big deal UNLESS you're Randy Gregory who has been suspended more games than he's played. Regardless of your personal feelings towards weed.....if you pee positive in the NFL you are suspended.
I won't get into details but story is legit. I'm sure more credible info will come out as the draft approaches.
I won't get into details but story is legit. I'm sure more credible info will come out as the draft approaches.
Watch the videos. You don't see many 5'11"- 6'0" college/NBA players with his hops and catching alley-oop dunks. Kid has great explosion and agility along with hands.
He starts at guard for in the #2 high school baskteball team in Alabama....they are ranked #21 in the nation.
On the 2016 football highlights
1) Watch the 1st play
2) Watch play at 3:50 mark
Kenny Bell could run straight ahead but couldn't make either of those plays.
He starts at guard for in the #2 high school baskteball team in Alabama....they are ranked #21 in the nation.
On the 2016 football highlights
1) Watch the 1st play
2) Watch play at 3:50 mark
Kenny Bell could run straight ahead but couldn't make either of those plays.
re: Track & Field Update(MH looking Good)
Posted by Remy74 on 2/17/15 at 11:44 am to TideWarrior
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Some will argue coming out of the blocks nets a faster start than from a slow jog waiting for a handoff. Not to mention out of the four MH was not training all year for track.
Both Brown and Hump have been doing really well in sprints but yet have a higher ceiling in hurdles, their specialty of choice. Can not wait to see these two lined up on the field together.
I agree with the other poster as whoever says that coming out of the blocks in a relay nets a faster start in a 4x400m relay race has little experience in the relay races of track & field. I've followed track and track splits for years and I've never heard this view.
re: TJ Yeldon
Posted by Remy74 on 12/27/14 at 5:07 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
Arian Foster isn't elite at any 1 particular aspect in terms of being a RB but he's put up good numbers for several years.
re: 3* RB Rocky Reid has decommitted from VOLS
Posted by Remy74 on 12/27/14 at 1:02 pm to NorthGAVol
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We're gonna land Bryce Love imo. AK/Bussey/Love is a hell of a haul.
Love will likely come down to Stanford or Tennessee. Close call as Love is a 4.5 gpa student taking advanced placement courses. Kid also ran "4.30" electronic SPARQ 40 yard dash and displays it on the field. Lots of big plays.
Bryce Love 2014 Season Highlights
Makes no sense to include what Julio has done in the pros when making this decision.....given that Amari has not yet had the opportunity to show what he can do in the pros.
Based on what each displayed at Alabama.......Amari Cooper would be my selection.
Based on what each displayed at Alabama.......Amari Cooper would be my selection.
I'd go Cyrus Jones or ArDarius Stewart...perhaps Bradley Sylve on KO returns. Chris Black would be a solid option on punt returns.
Speed guys- KO return
Shifty guys- Punt return
Maybe it's just me but I think Marlon Humphrey is/was a bit overrated. He has elite straight-line speed but he's stiff/rigid and lacks top-level flexibility and agility IMO.
Speed guys- KO return
Shifty guys- Punt return
Maybe it's just me but I think Marlon Humphrey is/was a bit overrated. He has elite straight-line speed but he's stiff/rigid and lacks top-level flexibility and agility IMO.
re: Ragland finalist for Butkus.
Posted by Remy74 on 11/25/14 at 4:19 pm to five_fivesix
Ragland was a semifinalist for the award but he is not 1 of the 5 finalist.
2014 Butkus Award Finalists Announced
2014 Butkus Award Finalists Announced
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.......as Jones and Henry bring different attributes to the table.
I will say this........Drake, Henry, and Jones are 3 different types of RBs and probably the "paradigm" on how you should recruit the RB position in order to have players that complement each other.
Very tough for a defense to prepare/scheme for such a trio moving forward in 2015.
I will say this........Drake, Henry, and Jones are 3 different types of RBs and probably the "paradigm" on how you should recruit the RB position in order to have players that complement each other.
Very tough for a defense to prepare/scheme for such a trio moving forward in 2015.
re: Derrick Henry a bust?
Posted by Remy74 on 11/23/14 at 8:33 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
Henry needs to work his lower body to strengthen his posterior chain (glutes and hamstrings). He's 1 of the few top RBs that doesn't have a muscular posterior chain.....and this is why he lacks elite burst and power in terms of the inside running game.
He has the ability but needs to realize that "bench press" is very overrated for a RB. Get on those legs.......and NO I'm not talking about calf muscles as calf size has little/no impact on explosiveness. See great leapers and the top 100m dash sprinters for reference. It's the posterior chain from the waist to the knees.
He has the ability but needs to realize that "bench press" is very overrated for a RB. Get on those legs.......and NO I'm not talking about calf muscles as calf size has little/no impact on explosiveness. See great leapers and the top 100m dash sprinters for reference. It's the posterior chain from the waist to the knees.
re: Predict the RB depth chart next year
Posted by Remy74 on 11/23/14 at 8:28 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
Assuming everyone takes care of business off the field during the offseason.
-Henry and Jones will be the traditional 1-2 RB punch
-Drake will be used in an All-Purpose role....more like a Percy Harvin in college. Similar to how he was used this year but with more touches.
-Henry and Jones will be the traditional 1-2 RB punch
-Drake will be used in an All-Purpose role....more like a Percy Harvin in college. Similar to how he was used this year but with more touches.
Stewart is an explosive athlete, Alabama 2A State Champ in the 100m and 200m dashes in 2013. Times in both events are comparable to the times of Kenyan Drake in high school.
Drake
100m PR- 10.83
200m PR- 21.91
Stewart
100m PR-10.83
200m PR- 22.01
Stewart was also the Alabama 2A State Champ in the Discus as well.
Drake
100m PR- 10.83
200m PR- 21.91
Stewart
100m PR-10.83
200m PR- 22.01
Stewart was also the Alabama 2A State Champ in the Discus as well.
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Okay yeah you guys aren't ready for a black qb
Sims is clearly the guy but it's like you guys are holding out for Coker.
^^^This
re: Which RB would you rather have?
Posted by Remy74 on 9/8/14 at 1:44 pm to LanierSpots
Not enough data to draw a conclusion:
-Need opponent(s)
-Quality of OLine
-Need more carries (ie. flip a coin 10 times you might get 9 heads and 1 tail......flip the coin 10,000 times you will NOT get 9,000 heads and 1,000 tails. Larger sample = more likely the true outcome/quality of the RB or the true probability of coin flips)
-Were any of the carries in goal line/short yardage as this would negatively impact ypc
-Need opponent(s)
-Quality of OLine
-Need more carries (ie. flip a coin 10 times you might get 9 heads and 1 tail......flip the coin 10,000 times you will NOT get 9,000 heads and 1,000 tails. Larger sample = more likely the true outcome/quality of the RB or the true probability of coin flips)
-Were any of the carries in goal line/short yardage as this would negatively impact ypc
re: Could a two quarterback system be our best chance at success?
Posted by Remy74 on 9/8/14 at 1:38 pm to asphinctersayswhat
The Sims pass to Christion Jones that was dropped:
Pass to Jones
Thrown from: Bama 33-34
Jones drop: WV 8-9
Pass in air: 57-59 yards
If Jones not there and ball landed: add 1-2 yards= 58-61 yards in air
IF you really want to know the distance he threw the ball, also add in the horizontal distance as Jones was 10-12 yards left of where Sims threw the pass.
Hypotenuse of a triangle formula:
Hypotenuse Calculator
Overall Pass was thrown 59-62 yards in the air. Not sure I'd call that a "weak" arm.
Pass to Jones
Thrown from: Bama 33-34
Jones drop: WV 8-9
Pass in air: 57-59 yards
If Jones not there and ball landed: add 1-2 yards= 58-61 yards in air
IF you really want to know the distance he threw the ball, also add in the horizontal distance as Jones was 10-12 yards left of where Sims threw the pass.
Hypotenuse of a triangle formula:
Hypotenuse Calculator
Overall Pass was thrown 59-62 yards in the air. Not sure I'd call that a "weak" arm.
re: Blake Sims leads the nation in completion % vs FBS teams
Posted by Remy74 on 9/8/14 at 8:46 am to brucevilanch
He's currently at 10.1 yards per pass attempt. That would have led the entire nation several of the past few years.
Obviously, he's only played 2 games but given this 10.1 yards per attempt number and the fact that Kiffen has essentially implemented a West Coast Offense (which is designed to spread teams horizontally and has been highly successful in the NFL and college.....See Bill Walsh for reference).......I think Sims' production and the offense's efficiency is much better than most anticipated.
Obviously, he's only played 2 games but given this 10.1 yards per attempt number and the fact that Kiffen has essentially implemented a West Coast Offense (which is designed to spread teams horizontally and has been highly successful in the NFL and college.....See Bill Walsh for reference).......I think Sims' production and the offense's efficiency is much better than most anticipated.
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unless we have a scat back type play I don't see where he fits in. He is the smallest of the 4 who signed last year.
You talking about Kamara or Tyren?
Kamara is 5'10", 195
Tyren is 5'9", 215 (approximately same size as Mark Ingram, Doug Martin & Ray Rice).
Pretty sure Tyren has the highest BMI of all the current RBs on the Bama roster....meaning he's the thickest/stoutest [for those not familiar with BMI]. NOT to be confused with the "most cut" or "defined" as there are a lot of NON-Expert "Experts" on this site that have limited knowledge about S&C but speak on it as though they are experts......
Definitely possible that Tyren and Kamara may transfer but hoping they both stick around.
Kamara- suffered a meniscus injury in camp and had to have surgery. He was back close to 100% within 4 weeks of the procedure but that ended his chance to contribute this year.
Tyren- is 5'9", 215 and probably has the highest BMI of all the RBs and is strong in the weightroom. Had some maturity issues during summer and camp related to class and being on-time for meetings. Too much talent at RB this year to slack in any area.
Both have impressed coaches while working on scout team.
Kamara- suffered a meniscus injury in camp and had to have surgery. He was back close to 100% within 4 weeks of the procedure but that ended his chance to contribute this year.
Tyren- is 5'9", 215 and probably has the highest BMI of all the RBs and is strong in the weightroom. Had some maturity issues during summer and camp related to class and being on-time for meetings. Too much talent at RB this year to slack in any area.
Both have impressed coaches while working on scout team.
@CrimsonFlounder.....he and Kamara played in Georgia's largest class.....which is deemed by many as the best/toughest classification in the nation. 15 different teams (ie. Grayson, Lowndes, Valdosta, Camden County, Colquitt County, North Gwinnett, etc) in the class were ranked in the Rivals Top 100 at some point during the 2011 and 2012 seasons. He also played 3 games total between 2011 & 2012 against 5 stars Robert Nkemdiche and Carl Lawson.
Jones was the Georgia Offensive POY in 2011 when he led Walton to 14-0 before losing the State Title Game against 15-0 and national Top 5 Grayson led by Robert Nkemdiche.
Alvin Kamara was the 2012 Georgia POY as he led Norcross to a 15-0 record and the 6A Georgia State Champs. Norcross was top 5 in many National Polls.
Jones was the Georgia Offensive POY in 2011 when he led Walton to 14-0 before losing the State Title Game against 15-0 and national Top 5 Grayson led by Robert Nkemdiche.
Alvin Kamara was the 2012 Georgia POY as he led Norcross to a 15-0 record and the 6A Georgia State Champs. Norcross was top 5 in many National Polls.
re: Tyren Jones amazing run!! Help!!
Posted by Remy74 on 8/12/13 at 5:57 pm to taylormade
@Taylormade....... Think he had around 255-260 yards on 22 carries and 3 TDs that game. Sad thing is they called 3 TDs back on penalties including a 80+ yarder. Otherwise, he runs for 400-410 yards on 25 carries and 6'TDs....and he didn't play in the 4 qtr.
That was 2011/Junior Year when he was around 190 pounds. Not sure that he currently has that quickness at 210-215 but he played decently in the scrimmage on Saturday with 38 yards on 5 carries. Interesting battle among the freshmen to see who Redshirts. All will be major contributors at some point at Bama.
That was 2011/Junior Year when he was around 190 pounds. Not sure that he currently has that quickness at 210-215 but he played decently in the scrimmage on Saturday with 38 yards on 5 carries. Interesting battle among the freshmen to see who Redshirts. All will be major contributors at some point at Bama.
re: Tyren Jones amazing run!! Help!!
Posted by Remy74 on 8/12/13 at 2:37 pm to taylormade
-Was it the run where he runs to the right and spins off 1-2 tackles, cuts down the right sideline then to the middle of the field? 6:32 mark of below video
-Runs like a power play over the right tackle, breaks through to 2nd level and gets hit by 3-4 guys at the same time and keeps going for TD? 1:50 mark
-The spin move at the 2nd level, then fake spin move while running backwards and then gets down the right sideline for a TD? 0:15 mark
-Runs like a power play over the right tackle, breaks through to 2nd level and gets hit by 3-4 guys at the same time and keeps going for TD? 1:50 mark
-The spin move at the 2nd level, then fake spin move while running backwards and then gets down the right sideline for a TD? 0:15 mark
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