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Don't waste your time on Tboy. He knows everything you are saying is accurate but he is dishonest and has no honor so the truth doesn't matter to him.


I figured as such. Still want to point out the excitement many Americans will have once voter ID and proof citizenship is required passes
You skipping over the question explains it all. They are not considered undocumented. They are illegally in the in the country, which covers the illegal part. They are not migrants. They are aliens as they are not citizens.

I’ll just wait for the melt when a good chunk of the crew can’t vote for democrats anymore or receive tax payer assistance in any shape. Who do you think foots the bill when they get arrested and are afforded an attorney? You’re crew letting upwards of 20 million illegals in, really screwed the US tax payer.
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And, this is not an actual count. It is an estimate that is not based on actual enrollment numbers of noncitizens.


Illegal alien's. Fixed it for you.

Even if 1% turned out to be true. Would that not outrage you? Or is that perfectly acceptable?
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So everyone he pulls over for a traffic violation has to get out of their car?


Legally required to if he wanted to.

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That everyone he pulls over is to be treated as a felon?


That’s an absurd conclusion. Not every person is a lovely citizen and not every person is a criminal.
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So, personally, I think it helped him learn what he needed to learn.


It’s a valuable lesson. Unfortunately occurrences like that happen monthly all over the country. A lot of times they don’t hit national head lines because cops train for those scenarios and fortunately aren’t getting killed against bad guys with a gun.
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You would be ok with you or your loved ones being arrested by ice?


Certainly not. But, I would also scold them for being in a position to be contacted by ICE.
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What's the relevance of mentioning the civilians killed by the government?


I’m simply mentioning we should deport illegal aliens. The more people like you whine and try to interfere with deportations. The harder ICE should go.
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because illegal immigrants (of which I'm told there are 40-50 million) have killed 210 people,


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I guess we have 40-50 millions to deport.


You answered your own question. Good job.
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Wrong. It would surprise you how many have already had due process and were denied legal status, but have stayed anyway.


That’s not my argument. His argument is ICE is finding ever illegal and simply deporting them.

My argument is, if you want due process for illegals. They have to be caught first and then plea their case. Without being caught and give an opportunity to plea their case. No due process can be had. If they have removal orders, send them packing. Which he already granted earlier.
I don’t disagree. But you can have civil discourse and maybe get understanding of what the big issue is? Does he want more immigrants for labor jobs? Feels the laws congress passed are unfavorable? Or just truly believes no one can be illegal?

Not everyone is a prog filth. If you can help understand someone or maybe both parties learn something. We can maybe prevent more weirdos going to Minnesota to riot?
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I'm saying they should get due process like everyone else in this country.


They won’t and can’t have due process unless they are caught.

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You want ICE agents to be judge, jury, and prosecutor


They are bringing them to immigration court to hear their status or seek their asylum claims. Many of the deported have final removal orders. It’s laughable if you think ICE and regular cops are rounding up every dairy worker, produce worker or manual laborer. Now if they are in the car, house or job site with the violent illegals. Sure they’ll get scooped up to.
Removal order or they entered the country illegally. Either through a port of entry or bypassing a port of entry or over staying work/student visa. Are you agreeing illegal aliens should be removed or they should stay, if they don’t have a final removal order?
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And importantly, most undocumented immigrants entered legally (on visas) and later fell out of status, so §1325 doesn’t even apply to them.


Correct. Not criminal in the sense of murderer or gang member. An illegal alien that needs to be removed. Correct?
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Pointing out that unlawful presence is a civil violation, that immigrants pay taxes,


Estimates of taxes paid are around 100 billion. Net costs 150 billion. A net negative of roughly 50 billion. Not including welfare, health care and other expenses paid for by the American citizen.

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You’re also conflating things that are distinct: Human trafficking, drug smuggling, and wage exploitation are serious crimes, committed by traffickers, cartels, and EMPLOYERS, not by default by every or even a majority of undocumented persons. Those crimes exist because of black markets and poor enforcement priorities, not because someone crossed a border and now magically became a criminal in every sense.


Absolutely. Not every person that comes here illegally has bad intentions. Allowing one illegal in willingly and they commit a violent crime which similar percentage to Americans of that 20 million claim has. Hurts the chances of allowing immigrants in.

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If you want to argue for stricter enforcement, argue for it. Just don’t do it by redefining words, attributing crimes wholesale, or insisting that correcting false claims means someone supports “all the negative stuff.” That’s not debate, it’s projection.


My question to you, if they have a civil final removal order. Should the US law enforcement enforce the removal?
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Unlawful presence is a civil violation, not a crime. Existing isn’t illegal.


8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

1911. 8 U.S.C. 1325

8 U.S.C. § 1326

8 U.S.C. § 1253(a)




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You’ll pardon me if I don’t accept those stats without question…


I think agree with you. They seem a little low don’t they?
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The Vietnamese are not like the Somalis at all. The Vietnamese have melted into our society.


They average about 11% in population for welfare/poverty. Which is 3% before the national average for foreign born population. So to compare them to Somalis, when they are 5 times ahead in the welfare games is laughable.
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Somali Minnesotans contribute approximately $67 million annually in state and local taxes,


That’s a drop in the bucket.

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community generates over $500 million in household income and has an estimated $8 billion economic impact on the state.


So there is roughly 80-100k Somalis in Minnesota. 81% of Somali households are on welfare. The average welfare for in Minnesota is 42-46k. We’ll drop it down to 40k.

That’s 2.5 billion. That equates to roughly 12% of Minnesota total welfare expenditures. The best part is they are only about 2% of the population. This doesn’t include the upwards of 9 billion in fraud. So try again.
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Using NCIC to run the plates of someone tailing a LEO is definitely legal.


Beat me to it. These people are actually retarded.