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Broadside Bob
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re: NIL Athletes vs. Student Athletes - which would you rather watch? Thought experiment
Posted by Broadside Bob on 1/15/26 at 6:22 am to BurgTiger
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“Kids are not being well-served by bouncing from school to school 2, 3, 4, or more times in their careers.”
The absolute irony of these words coming out of the guy’s mouth who has actually led the charge in recruiting guys who don’t finish with a degree from his institution is priceless.
Additionally how much good are these General Studies and kinesiology degrees doing these kids of old?
I’d say a 23 year old RB who misses the NFL with $500k in his bank and contacts at 3 schools and a GS degree is better off than the identical true son with a near empty back account.
The student has the opportunity to select any course of study, go to class and apply himself in school just as much as any other student. With the magnitude of money available, we've decreased the incentives to do so. These kids think money is going to rain from the sky for forever. For the overwhelming majority it ends after college, but they will have spent it as if it would continue.
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NIL Athletes vs. Student Athletes - which would you rather watch? Thought experiment
Posted by Broadside Bob on 1/14/26 at 11:46 am
Lots of threads flying around about the current state of intercollegiate sports, mainly around football. Kids getting paid 7 digit NIL salaries, transfer portal numbers such that seemingly every single kid is a free agent every single year. Mostly centered around football, but even non-revenue sports are heavily impacted. For those of you who do not know, Oklahoma State used their NIL resources to essentially buy athletes to win the men's race at the national cross country meet. It's the world we live in now, but mercenaries seem counter to the traditional spirit of intercollegiate athletics.
I used to enjoy watching the athletes develop year to year, but that's now a distant memory. Now takes me through most of October to learn names and match them up to jersey numbers.
John Calipari made some excellent points recently. Kids are not being well-served by bouncing from school to school 2, 3, 4, or more times in their careers. Also, while they're well and (much more than fairly) compensated, very few have the skills to manage what really should be life-changing money. Within 5 years after college, they'll be just as broke and will have urinated away the opportunity to get a FREE education and thus be able to get a good job. I'm becoming uncomfortable being part of that machine.
Understanding that the following is in no way realistic, will never happen, and is a thought experiment only, but if it did...
- To keep it simple, this applies only to football and to the FBS only.
- All schools have an NIL team (The Varsity), where the kids are paid, bounce around through the transfer portal as they do now. In short, current state.
- All of these schools also have a true student-athlete team (The JVs). All JV athletes receive a scholarship only (assume that that can be monitored and enforced). Old transfer rules apply (sit for a year), but they don't transfer a lot anyway since they're primarily there for the education.
- Varsity teams play only other Varsity teams, and JV teams play only other JV teams. Varsity plays Saturday and JV plays Friday night, or maybe JV plays away when Varsity is home and vice versa. Level of play is obviously lower for JV squads, but it's a relatively level playing since all of the better athletes at all schools are playing Varsity.
Feel free to comment, but I'm more interested in which you'd rather watch. Upvote for JV. Downvote for Varsity.
I used to enjoy watching the athletes develop year to year, but that's now a distant memory. Now takes me through most of October to learn names and match them up to jersey numbers.
John Calipari made some excellent points recently. Kids are not being well-served by bouncing from school to school 2, 3, 4, or more times in their careers. Also, while they're well and (much more than fairly) compensated, very few have the skills to manage what really should be life-changing money. Within 5 years after college, they'll be just as broke and will have urinated away the opportunity to get a FREE education and thus be able to get a good job. I'm becoming uncomfortable being part of that machine.
Understanding that the following is in no way realistic, will never happen, and is a thought experiment only, but if it did...
- To keep it simple, this applies only to football and to the FBS only.
- All schools have an NIL team (The Varsity), where the kids are paid, bounce around through the transfer portal as they do now. In short, current state.
- All of these schools also have a true student-athlete team (The JVs). All JV athletes receive a scholarship only (assume that that can be monitored and enforced). Old transfer rules apply (sit for a year), but they don't transfer a lot anyway since they're primarily there for the education.
- Varsity teams play only other Varsity teams, and JV teams play only other JV teams. Varsity plays Saturday and JV plays Friday night, or maybe JV plays away when Varsity is home and vice versa. Level of play is obviously lower for JV squads, but it's a relatively level playing since all of the better athletes at all schools are playing Varsity.
Feel free to comment, but I'm more interested in which you'd rather watch. Upvote for JV. Downvote for Varsity.
re: Repairing College Football
Posted by Broadside Bob on 1/14/26 at 11:10 am to EastTXHorn
You asked what can be done? Not sure.
What can WE do?
Stop watching. If you don't like a product, stop buying it, and if enough other people do that, when the money dries up, the people selling the product might see that they need to make some changes.
Personally, I watched most of the first half of the Alabama @ Oklahoma playoff game, mainly because I wanted to see what an on-campus atmosphere might look like in December (admittedly impressive). Was delighted seeing that OU had the game well in-hand ( :rotflmao:) and went to bed.
We are season ticketholders and do plan to renew for 2026. I'm not quite bitter and jaded enough to walk away from that just yet, but I'm close. First, I would like to see if Auburn may have finally made a good hire after two major duds. Second, when you like the people you've been sitting with for 10+ years, walking away from season tickets is closer to a permanent decision than turning off the remote (more like plastic surgery than a haircut).
What can WE do?
Stop watching. If you don't like a product, stop buying it, and if enough other people do that, when the money dries up, the people selling the product might see that they need to make some changes.
Personally, I watched most of the first half of the Alabama @ Oklahoma playoff game, mainly because I wanted to see what an on-campus atmosphere might look like in December (admittedly impressive). Was delighted seeing that OU had the game well in-hand ( :rotflmao:) and went to bed.
We are season ticketholders and do plan to renew for 2026. I'm not quite bitter and jaded enough to walk away from that just yet, but I'm close. First, I would like to see if Auburn may have finally made a good hire after two major duds. Second, when you like the people you've been sitting with for 10+ years, walking away from season tickets is closer to a permanent decision than turning off the remote (more like plastic surgery than a haircut).
re: How to save college football - Solution
Posted by Broadside Bob on 1/13/26 at 12:35 pm to TomInHoover
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I say give each one 5 million a year and make it an ironclad agreement.
Are you paying every basketball player $5M a year too? Baseball? Softball? Volleyball? If you're not paying the girls' teams, you immediately run afoul of Title IX.
Regardless of the amount you're paying, if you're saying that the NCAA and member schools should COLLUDE and limit player payouts to any amount, no matter how large, you'll immediately run afoul of anti-trust as well. Some players are worth more than others though few, if any, are worth anywhere near $5M a year. Most are worth no more than a scholarship, but Big Money Booster Genitalia Measuring contests have artificially inflated the market.
Where is all of this money coming from? Here's the thing about "revenue sharing:" the people who have the revenue now are not willing to share it. Is Alabama going to raise ticket prices $5K/ticket/season to cover it? If you're going to hit up advertisers for more $$$,$$$,$$$, are you prepared to pay more for the products they're trying to sell you? What about smaller schools with smaller stadiums and little to no TV audience. Or maybe you're planning to socialize this nationwide so that big schools pay (A LOT) more.
I'm at the point of fans MIGHT be able to solve the problem by turning it off. If you want to send a message, DO NOT WATCH the championship game.
NFL minimum salary is $840K to $1.255M. Do you honestly think players will take a paycut as large as $4M a year when they "turn pro?" Of course not. Since they're not, the above inflationary pressures to ticket prices and advertisers will quickly trickle up to the NFL.
Other than that, great idea. :rotflmao:
re: 15 years ago tonight...
Posted by Broadside Bob on 1/9/26 at 8:20 pm to RandySavage
I think our room was in Scottsdale. At any rate, we were staying probably 45 minutes from the stadium. Dinner the night before was at a restaurant near the stadium. Saw Mr. Penny in that area sometime after (or maybe it was before dinner?).
We had planned to stay the night and fly back the next morning. Got back to the room so jacked that we couldn't sleep. I think we watched a replay of the game twice while we were packing while fighting fatigue. Early morning flight got delayed due to a scheduling error with the crew or maybe they timed out. Every Auburn fan we saw in the airport, including us, had literally lost their voices screaming the night before.
Missed our connection in Detroit due to the delay and were rebooked for sometime the next day. Ended up getting on another flight later that night (January 11)...777 to Atlanta with maybe 50 people on the plane. Missed connection/delay turned out to be a huge blessing...got back so late that we may not have seen 10 cars on the way home.
I remember scraping about an inch or more of snow and ice off the car windows. Interstates were not really bad at all. Once we got off 285, roads were a solid sheet of ice. Our house in Tucker sat on top of a steep hill, and we had to go down a steep hill first. I made sure to come down the hill fast enough that we could coast up the next one. Pulled in the driveway and parked the car for 5 days.
Good time, but I hope I never have a trip home like that again.
We had planned to stay the night and fly back the next morning. Got back to the room so jacked that we couldn't sleep. I think we watched a replay of the game twice while we were packing while fighting fatigue. Early morning flight got delayed due to a scheduling error with the crew or maybe they timed out. Every Auburn fan we saw in the airport, including us, had literally lost their voices screaming the night before.
Missed our connection in Detroit due to the delay and were rebooked for sometime the next day. Ended up getting on another flight later that night (January 11)...777 to Atlanta with maybe 50 people on the plane. Missed connection/delay turned out to be a huge blessing...got back so late that we may not have seen 10 cars on the way home.
I remember scraping about an inch or more of snow and ice off the car windows. Interstates were not really bad at all. Once we got off 285, roads were a solid sheet of ice. Our house in Tucker sat on top of a steep hill, and we had to go down a steep hill first. I made sure to come down the hill fast enough that we could coast up the next one. Pulled in the driveway and parked the car for 5 days.
Good time, but I hope I never have a trip home like that again.
15 years ago tonight...
Posted by Broadside Bob on 1/9/26 at 5:37 pm
Wife and I met Mr. Penny in Glendale after we went out to dinner. What a nice, nice man.
Big game the next day plus Snomageddon in Atlanta...we were lucky to get home...did not leave the house for close to a week after we did.
Big game the next day plus Snomageddon in Atlanta...we were lucky to get home...did not leave the house for close to a week after we did.
re: Freeze's locker room as big a mess as Chizik's in 2012
Posted by Broadside Bob on 1/5/26 at 10:54 am to i am dan
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Every player is now a free agent and out to bid every year.
4500 players just entered the portal.
So 136 FBS schools x 105 children per team ~ 14K plus children who were on an FBS team last year. Figure 20% to 25% are out of eligibility and a smaller number either declared early for the draft or quit for other reasons. That means that 40% to 45% of all returning players who hope to play next year are in the portal.
Please explain to me how this is sustainable.
re: Freeze's locker room as big a mess as Chizik's in 2012
Posted by Broadside Bob on 1/4/26 at 11:38 am to Johnnycrane
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They spoke about a war chest of 30 million did they not?
Everyone, at least anyone who might be considered a P4 contender, has a $30M war chest. Every player is now a free agent and out to bid every year.
re: Seems to me a clear statement is being made…
Posted by Broadside Bob on 1/2/26 at 3:54 pm to BhamTiger98
IMHO, I think you may be right (and hope you are).
I HATE the transfer portal and NIL and think that the existence of both, at least without some really strong guardrails, are doing a major disservice to these children. And yes, they are children. How can we possibly justify paying 18 to 22 year olds $50K to $5M to play an amateur sport? Contrast that with medical residents who have had seven years of rigorous academics in a very competitive environment and are now working poop hours for poop pay.
That said, not sure we can blame the kids for acting on what they perceive as their best interests based on the incentives in front of them. I've long maintained that there's always a bigger fish; there's always a better price, and there's always a greater fool. And the fools are willing to write checks for seemingly unlimited amounts of cash.
I HATE the transfer portal and NIL and think that the existence of both, at least without some really strong guardrails, are doing a major disservice to these children. And yes, they are children. How can we possibly justify paying 18 to 22 year olds $50K to $5M to play an amateur sport? Contrast that with medical residents who have had seven years of rigorous academics in a very competitive environment and are now working poop hours for poop pay.
That said, not sure we can blame the kids for acting on what they perceive as their best interests based on the incentives in front of them. I've long maintained that there's always a bigger fish; there's always a better price, and there's always a greater fool. And the fools are willing to write checks for seemingly unlimited amounts of cash.
re: A Possible Way Forward (long post)
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/30/25 at 8:54 pm to FearlessFreep
I really do like your sentiment, but I don't see that producing any success on the field. I'm getting sick of watching entitled 20 year old millionaires running up and down the field, especially when they're not even winning.
I'm also a huge believer in "Hard Work beats Talent when Talent does not work hard." However, when Talent does work hard (and sometimes when it doesn't), Hard Work alone is going to get embarrassed.
Plus, all of the less-talented kids you want to recruit who are not "all that" still think they're "all that."
I fear intercollegiate athletics is broken beyond repair.
I'm also a huge believer in "Hard Work beats Talent when Talent does not work hard." However, when Talent does work hard (and sometimes when it doesn't), Hard Work alone is going to get embarrassed.
Plus, all of the less-talented kids you want to recruit who are not "all that" still think they're "all that."
I fear intercollegiate athletics is broken beyond repair.
re: Cam Coleman is entering the transfer portal...
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/29/25 at 1:36 pm to CorchJay
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If invested properly some would never have to work a day in their life.
Yeah, that's a joke...unless a high-end Mercedes, tons of bling, and "their posse" counts.
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Sure give the players some money but no “amateur” ball player should be making more then $150k a year. That should be the market. If their agent is able to legitimately go outside for endorsements great more power to them but they can’t be associated at all with the school.
Totally agree, but for the big money boosters, it's as much about a wanker measuring contest as anything so the market gets way over-inflated fast.
re: Cam Newton talks about the 180,000.00 payday. Allegedly
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/24/25 at 11:28 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
:"Me maw and them was flipping is off." Roll Tide!
re: Cam Newton talks about the 180,000.00 payday. Allegedly
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/24/25 at 11:05 am to makersmark1
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It’s more fun to say we paid him, but I’ve always thought it was ridiculous that a 20 year old would ride a scooter after getting $180,000.
It does not add up.
Had never considered that angle. The kids getting paid now sure are living bigly.
re: Bobby Petrino finds a new job
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/22/25 at 6:00 pm to AshleySchaeffer
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"Come on, Jordan, lets go on a motorcycle ride. Bill doesn't need to know."
I was thinking Bill wanted someone that he and his young hottie could double date with. :rotflmao:
re: We are on the verge or another year. IM ready.
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/21/25 at 10:47 am to LanierSpots
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These assholes are what I worry about. I spend a lot of time screwing around with my flower beds and the love to hide in there. I am very cautious now since we are having a good many of them being sighted. This one was right beside our amenity center and was seen about 5 times in one day. I have no idea why someone didnt grab a shovel and finish his arse off
He'd make a purdy pair of boots!
re: We are on the verge or another year. IM ready.
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/20/25 at 6:50 pm to LanierSpots
I'm still in Georgia, and I'm no longer tough. Once upon a time, I thought nothing of 10 to 15 degree weather. Now, I complain if it drops under 50 degrees, very loudly under 40.
re: I hate Bama
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/20/25 at 4:46 pm to Fearless_and_True
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I’ve always said I wouldn’t care if it was anyone else in the SEC; but it’s always our rivals.
If we were competitive with our chief rivals, it would not be nearly as bad. Remember when the all-time difference in the DSOR was that one team had won one more game and the other had scored 7 more points?
I've long that that a strong Alabama in the regular season was good for Auburn...if you want to be the best, you have to beat the best. And the best was always waiting for us on the last Saturday in November.
re: Rose Bowl worth the trip?
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/20/25 at 12:10 pm to Audioman213
Beautiful setting with a couple of caveats:
Stadium felt old and dilapidated to me. By comparison, the oldest SEC stadiums might feel fresh and new. Claustrophobic (low and narrow) tunnels to get in from the concourse to the seating area...ushers limit the number of people who can enter at once.
Stadium is low and wide. Maybe people were generally shorter when it was designed? We stood for the entire game because we could not have seen anything otherwise.
Stadium is adjacent to a golf course that seemed to be the main parking area. We walked maybe a mile each way.
YMMV substantially, but flights were a challenge for us. I remember that we had a very hard time finding flights to LA. We ended up flying into Orange County/Irvine/John Wayne, staying in Irvine, driving to and from Pasadena on gameday (~90 min. each way?), and driving down to San Diego (~90 min. to 2 hours?) the next day for the flight home. A lot of driving but really no more than a normal football gameday (north Atlanta to Auburn and back). On the plus side of that, John Wayne and San Diego are smaller and much easier to deal with than LAX.
All of that said, southern Cali was a nice break from a Georgia winter.
Stadium felt old and dilapidated to me. By comparison, the oldest SEC stadiums might feel fresh and new. Claustrophobic (low and narrow) tunnels to get in from the concourse to the seating area...ushers limit the number of people who can enter at once.
Stadium is low and wide. Maybe people were generally shorter when it was designed? We stood for the entire game because we could not have seen anything otherwise.
Stadium is adjacent to a golf course that seemed to be the main parking area. We walked maybe a mile each way.
YMMV substantially, but flights were a challenge for us. I remember that we had a very hard time finding flights to LA. We ended up flying into Orange County/Irvine/John Wayne, staying in Irvine, driving to and from Pasadena on gameday (~90 min. each way?), and driving down to San Diego (~90 min. to 2 hours?) the next day for the flight home. A lot of driving but really no more than a normal football gameday (north Atlanta to Auburn and back). On the plus side of that, John Wayne and San Diego are smaller and much easier to deal with than LAX.
All of that said, southern Cali was a nice break from a Georgia winter.
re: Sammie Coates talks about the 2013 BCS NCG loss on the Raw Room podcast
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/19/25 at 12:34 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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That was a painful memory.
I was there (so I'm told), but my memory of that evening has been "wiped clean as a Clinton's hard drive." Love Sammie, but have no desire to revisit.
re: Russian Alex Golesh abandoned his team and now they’ve been embarrassed by Old Dominion
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/18/25 at 3:45 pm to Summer of Jimbo
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And he hates freedom.
I'm quite certain that his family's hatred of freedom and love of tyranny is the reason they left Soviet Russia.
Seven years of college down the drain. (Future) Sen. Blutarsky
Posted by Broadside Bob on 12/16/25 at 10:08 am
TJ Finley in the portal, AGAIN!
It's rich that one of the reasons he cites for his "challenging" last 2 years, and thus one of the reasons he wants a seventh (7th!!!) year of eligibility, is the "adversity he faced off the field."
It's rich that one of the reasons he cites for his "challenging" last 2 years, and thus one of the reasons he wants a seventh (7th!!!) year of eligibility, is the "adversity he faced off the field."
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