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Tigerbait46
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re: Woman in Minnesota tried ramming ICE Officer gets unalived. NSFW
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 1/8/26 at 6:15 pm to TexasTiger08
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You want law enforcement, that you wanted defunded anyway, to suddenly have the training and ability to make a split second reaction that appeases you and the victim’s nosey neighbors?
Ha! Defunded. Dude, you don't know me. Not everyone outside of the Trump camp is part of the far left vocal minority.
I'm not asking for anything that is out of step with leading standards for LE's. These meathead ICE agents tactically approached the situation in a way that made the situation more dangerous than it needed it to be. This could've been handled in a way that reduced the risk of the shooter even being in the position of making that split second reaction. We have someone from the LE community in this thread making these exact points. I trust his judgment.
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re: Woman in Minnesota tried ramming ICE Officer gets unalived. NSFW
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 1/8/26 at 4:41 pm to Odysseus32
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Odysseus32
Thanks for reminding me why I hardly venture to this board or engage.
This site is a toxic dump.
re: Woman in Minnesota tried ramming ICE Officer gets unalived. NSFW
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 1/8/26 at 4:22 pm to brass2mouth
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This just further shows it was a tactical blunder. You have three guys all in a cross fire situation.
Not to mention the bystanders just out of the picture. You can see all of the footsteps along the curb where people had been standing.
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Everyone says “well she shouldn’t have been there in the first place” yes, I agree.
However that argument can be made 100/100 times police use force on someone, so the onus is on the police to train for that and adjust their tactics.
Thanks for bringing your expertise and level head to this thread. It's reassuring to hear the perspective of someone with your experience point out how we can hold LE to a higher standard and specifically how these ICE officers made mistakes.
re: Woman in Minnesota tried ramming ICE Officer gets unalived. NSFW
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 1/8/26 at 4:06 pm to HogPharmer
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You're suggesting we let the inmates run the asylum?
Good grief.
You're misunderstanding me.
Law enforcement professionals knowingly put themselves in contact in heightened situations with potentially heightened individuals. This requires them to be trained on how to approach these individuals, de-escalate conflict, and reduce the risk of lethal force/tragic outcomes while still getting the job done. I would think the profile of the individual (armed and dangerous? non-violent protester? violent protester? drugged up? witness in shock? driving a vehicle?) influences their approach and how they respond in the moment.
It's the nature of their job to put up with shite, act with emotional maturity and restraint, display incredible patience, and be intentional with their actions given how they assess the situation. Knowing they could be dealing with someone (especially someone behind the wheel) who could be anxious, fearful, and prone to a fight/flight reaction if tensions heighten should influence their approach. I'm not saying handle everyone with white gloves and avoid assertive approaches, but I'm sure a more prepared group of agents would have approached this much more effectively with a lower chance of violence and fatal outcome.
re: Woman in Minnesota tried ramming ICE Officer gets unalived. NSFW
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 1/8/26 at 3:48 pm to SUB
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How? What did they do that was so egregious and out of step with anything to “take into account” what was mentioned?
I'll defer to brass2mouth's expertise on the specific mistakes the officers made that led to escalating the situation toward her panicking and the use of lethal force.
re: Woman in Minnesota tried ramming ICE Officer gets unalived. NSFW
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 1/8/26 at 3:40 pm to OceanMan
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He will be judged by his department and the legal system. She chose to forego that path. What else is there to critique?
And she was never given the option to be judged by the legal system. She made mistakes, but she didn't choose death.
Whatever gray area that could legally justify his actions is separate from the moral reasonableness, necessity, or intelligence of his (and his squad's) actions.
The simple fact that he stepped aside the vehicle as it turned right and continued shooting while out of harms way, along with the fact that she was protesting non-violently before agents chose to escalate the situation, is enough for me say there is plenty to critique.
We're pretending like his choice to kill this woman was the only valid option here. If you're unable to see that and see room for critique, then you're being dishonest. I've offered up plenty of critiques of the woman's decisions that put her at risk, but that doesn't mean this outcome was even close to necessary.
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This situation that she created.
This is not an isolated incident. Have you seen how people in that city treat ICE? Any other city? They are being instigated by thousands of people daily.
Again, are we only going to focus on the actions of one side here? Why do you think those people are showing up? Rashly deploying thousands of poorly prepared, masked men into these cities is begging for confrontation. Now, depending on your politics, you might say it's a justifiable approach for detaining undocumented criminals, but even then, you must acknowledge that it will invite protests, and if they are not prepared to handle that confrontation with professionalism and dignity for human life -- particularly with US citizens who are non-violently protesting -- then yes, they are very much creating this situation.
Personally, I'm not a fan of an authoritatively empowered overreaching government agency asserting itself recklessly without local consent and coordination in ways that directly spark tension in American communities... but that's the drama that your political leaders want to play out, so they can then reinforce their dishonest narratives. Speaking of which, tell me again where the video shows the officer getting "viciously ran over" and needing to recover in the hospital. Is it the video showing the guy walking up and down the street perfectly fine after he fired shots while next to the vehicle? Your dear leaders' statements don't match reality, bub.
re: Woman in Minnesota tried ramming ICE Officer gets unalived. NSFW
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 1/8/26 at 3:04 pm to TexasTiger08
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Oh I agree with you.
My theory is that she was panicking and tried to flee, not that she tried to kill an officer. That can be debated for sure…just my guess. A deep dive into her character will probably reveal that she is impulsive, overly emotional, and “panicky” in general, probably has a healthy amount of anxiety, diagnosed or not. I think that coincides with being a lesbian and a mom and a protester.
She was probably melting down at the sight of a weapon and “outraged” over perceived injustices against her neighbors.
The problem is, this behavior is encouraged and supported in all walks of life now. We have safe spaces everywhere.
and so taking all of this into account....
Should that not influence the tactics of these agents? Especially when dealing with a non-violent protester. Approaching the situation with an ounce of social intelligence would have led to a different outcome. Heck, maybe they'd even have her behind bars now and she'd be spilling the beans on who's funding her!
re: Woman in Minnesota tried ramming ICE Officer gets unalived. NSFW
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 1/8/26 at 2:49 pm to texag7
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They did an excellent job.
You have no conscience. You lack honesty.
re: Woman in Minnesota tried ramming ICE Officer gets unalived. NSFW
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 1/8/26 at 2:35 pm to brass2mouth
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You’re confusing firing at a fleeing suspect to stop them and a perceived deadly threat from fear of being run over.
Not only did he not get run over, but he actually leaned over the hood of the car to get a head shot and then proceeded to shoot two mores time while next to the vehicle -- completely out of harms way.
The vehicle was clearly turned to the right away from the officer and none of her actions previously indicated she was a violent threat.
Her protest blocked traffic for 3 minutes. She waved vehicles to pass by and audibly tells the agents, "go around." In fact, one vehicle did pass in front of her, proving there was clear room for the truck to pass as well. If she was trying to "ram into" an ICE Officer as an act of "domestic terrorism," why would she wave for the truck to pass? Why didn't she just charge the vehicle right at the officer at full throttle when he walked directly in front of her from the right? Why would she back up to make room for a turn to the right?
Witnesses also say the driver was given conflicting instructions from ICE agents -- to leave or to get out of the vehicle.
Why are we only judging her actions in a tense situation and not the ICE agent's? She made a mistake by panicking when confronted. She could have chosen to not protest, but let's look at the facts -- she blocked the road for only 3 minutes and there was space to go around her when the truck pulled up -- this wasn't some huge impediment with violent intentions.
Setting aside the overall approach of sending 2000 masked amateurs into an American city without local consent or coordination and the obvious confrontational situations this would spark...the ICE agents chose to escalate the situation. They could have driven around her. They could have approached the vehicle without immediately trying to open the door to snatch her. The shooting agent could have chosen to not walk and stand in front of the vehicle, which goes against common guidelines. The agent could have gotten out of harms way (as he did) without shooting. The agents could have gotten in their truck and followed her.
Both the driver and the agents made mistakes that led to an unnecessary confrontation and escalation. If we're going to critique the woman for all of the decisions she made yesterday, we need to also critique the ICE agents, and I'd argue we need to hold them to a much higher standard than the protester.
re: Woman in Minnesota tried ramming ICE Officer gets unalived. NSFW
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 1/7/26 at 4:57 pm to dallastigers
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The Department of Justice says in its Justice Manual that firearms should not be used simply to disable a moving vehicle.
The policy allows deadly force only in limited circumstances, such as when someone in the vehicle is threatening another person with deadly force, or when the vehicle itself is being used in a way that poses an imminent risk and no reasonable alternative exists, including moving out of the vehicle’s path.
The Officer managed to not only move out of the vehicle's path, but actually leaned back toward the vehicle and over the hood in order to get a head shot. Move out of the vehicle's path was a reasonable alternative. Getting the plate number and calling it in for arrest was a reasonable alternative.
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Police training experts have told The Associated Press that officers are generally taught not to step in front of moving vehicles to try to block them.
Training also emphasizes weighing the totality of the situation, including whether the person involved poses an immediate danger and whether the underlying allegation involves violence.
What was the allegation? Was this woman a threat with firearms of her own? Was she recklessly driving around before this trying to hit ICE Officers? We don't know the answers for sure, but if you watch the longer video, you'll see that before the truck pulls up, she actually starts to roll out, then stops to let another SUV go in front of her, then waves at the ICE truck, which had room to pass by just as the previous vehicle did. The truck stops instead, and the Officers step out, approach her, and immediately try opening her door. I want to know what cause they had to escalate the situation so quickly.
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Many department policies specifically bar firing at vehicles just to stop a fleeing suspect.
There was a crowd behind her vehicle. Firing at the vehicle was a danger to bystanders.
Associated Press
re: Genuine question for LSU fans…
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 11/18/25 at 7:38 pm to Roguestein
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In 137 years of football y'all have done this exactly once in a 20+ year stretch..
*appearances
LSU has played for 4 national titles in the last 25 years. 1 of 8 on average seems reasonable.
re: Genuine question for LSU fans…
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 11/18/25 at 7:29 pm to Dindjarin
Playoffs 2 out of 4 years
Semifinals 1 out of 4 years
Championship appearance 1 out of 8 years
I don't expect a deep run every year but we should be in the playoff conversation most years and make the occasional run with a floor of 4-5 losses.
Semifinals 1 out of 4 years
Championship appearance 1 out of 8 years
I don't expect a deep run every year but we should be in the playoff conversation most years and make the occasional run with a floor of 4-5 losses.
re: Lot of talk about next coach must be a culture fit.
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 11/2/25 at 9:07 pm to mdomingue
Culture fit simply means you genuinely embrace the relationships of the LSU football world -- internal and external. Beyond that, I don't think it matters if you're more of a rah rah guy (Orgeron) or process guy (Saban). If you're not relational and authentic, you'll lose trust. Louisianians are social people before anything else.
re: What Nashville bar for pregame at vandy?
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 10/15/25 at 10:04 pm to WhereDaGoldAt
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Heard that Springwater Supper Club & Lounge is where the real baws are going for that pre-game dive bar vibes…cash only
this is the right answer. probably the closest bar to the stadium too. not sure if they'll be open that early in the AM though.
for post game, double dogs in hillsboro village is within walking distance and has a good sports bar setup to watch the afternoon games.
re: Sourdough Bread Eaters
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 10/4/25 at 6:56 pm to HillbillyTiger
If anyone is coming through Nashville, the former Director of Bread at Tartine (SF & LA) recently opened up a small corner store bakery called Mama Bread. Hands down among the best sourdough I've tasted.
re: Is internal audit a waste of a career?
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 9/17/25 at 11:02 pm to Cypdog
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re: Is internal audit a waste of a career?
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 9/17/25 at 10:49 pm to Youngeye77
I'm nearly 10 years removed from starting my career in Risk/IA at a Big 4 so I'm sure things have changed, but it seemed to me that the breadth of exposure across functions offers the opportunity to transition into a variety of finance, accounting, and ops roles if you stick with the same company for a while, particularly if that company has a valued IA shop. That's a big if though, as many companies simply don't value it or their talent pool is a huge drop off from Big 4 talent. Alternatively, if you stick with Big 4 long enough, you'll get exposure across industries and internal networks that if you want to jump into another service line or specialty within (or adjacent to) IA/Risk, you can probably make it happen.
After 3-4 years, I was able to more freely explore healthcare regulatory work, some of it that was straight up IA, some more consultative, and some completely outside of the IA/Risk world. I didn't stick with it, nor was I the most savvy or driven worker, but the doors were there for me and others. In fact, just about anyone in my starting class either transferred internally to more interesting service lines or externally to the ops side of tech.
From what I've heard, more and more of the entry level work is going offshore or AI. The trend in professional services in general seems to be middle managers and entry level are both getting cut out due to AI. Either you're a senior individual contributor who can work well with AI or you're a senior leader who is excellent at generating revenue and/or strategic leadership.
No career is a waste if it's serving you in the life you want (financially, stress, freedom, relationships, family, etc...) which you're not raising any concerns about.
That said, I felt that IA was a waste of a function and a waste of my life in my 20s. Stepping away was the best thing for me.
After 3-4 years, I was able to more freely explore healthcare regulatory work, some of it that was straight up IA, some more consultative, and some completely outside of the IA/Risk world. I didn't stick with it, nor was I the most savvy or driven worker, but the doors were there for me and others. In fact, just about anyone in my starting class either transferred internally to more interesting service lines or externally to the ops side of tech.
From what I've heard, more and more of the entry level work is going offshore or AI. The trend in professional services in general seems to be middle managers and entry level are both getting cut out due to AI. Either you're a senior individual contributor who can work well with AI or you're a senior leader who is excellent at generating revenue and/or strategic leadership.
No career is a waste if it's serving you in the life you want (financially, stress, freedom, relationships, family, etc...) which you're not raising any concerns about.
That said, I felt that IA was a waste of a function and a waste of my life in my 20s. Stepping away was the best thing for me.
re: Saban tells story of how he took LSU job and shape the program was in
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 6/29/25 at 1:24 am to tigerskin
Without Saban, I likely wouldn't have attended LSU and my life would look entirely different today (not better or worse). I grew up out of state with LSU alums as parents. LSU football became an obsession in our house during my most formative years, which coincided with the Saban years. Sure, we had family in BR that we visited frequently, but it was Saturdays in the fall that really forged my connection with LSU from afar. In hindsight, I don't think that would've happened had they simply continued as a middling program.
re: Why was Reeves playing so far in?
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 6/2/25 at 11:31 pm to TigerLunatik
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You can still drag with 2 strikes
when is the last time you saw that? is it more common than a chopper to third?
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and anything coming off the bat to 3rd is going to be a slow roller.
apparently not...?
He seemed to play ahead of the bag. That should've been routine.
The single up the middle should've been a play at SS too. Not sure why Milam wasn't in double play depth shading toward the middle a bit more.
re: Fellow Atlanta baws, original Taco Mac is closing after 46 years.....
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 5/14/25 at 12:32 pm to Lexis Dad
RIP. Miss the heck out of living in that neighborhood. I'll shed a tear if Moe's & Joe's or George's close down.
re: What are the views of the Pope? Non-Catholic Christians, Non-Christians and Women
Posted by Tigerbait46 on 5/8/25 at 12:11 am to mudshuvl05
I'm with you on admiring the humble living faith of many Orthodox Christians, but your own lack of humility is glaring.
It also appears my post left a lot of room for your imagination and cynicism to make sweeping moral judgments about who I am, my intentions, and how faith, politics, and values intersect in my life. You managed to project an entire worldview on me through a culture war lens and then attack it. Ironically, all you did was make my point for me, which is that zealous converts often flatten the faith into a rigid purity fight or a vehicle to affirm their personal ideologies.
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He's a heretic and a proud, proud man who thinks he's smarter than everyone,
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Tone down the haughtiness a notch.
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I smell what you're stepping in now.
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having dozens upon dozens of cradle Catholics in my family (and as many protestant denominations as a Chinese buffet has breaded chicken), both the former and latter tend to be some of the most average, dull, ill-educated, and complacent uninteresting Christians to ever engage with.
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Your... heretical statements and nonsensical admiration... and the entire word salad really, has a smell, and it stinks from far away.
It also appears my post left a lot of room for your imagination and cynicism to make sweeping moral judgments about who I am, my intentions, and how faith, politics, and values intersect in my life. You managed to project an entire worldview on me through a culture war lens and then attack it. Ironically, all you did was make my point for me, which is that zealous converts often flatten the faith into a rigid purity fight or a vehicle to affirm their personal ideologies.
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