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re: Did woody fire O before he had his guy?
Posted on 11/22/21 at 2:15 pm to Tigerbait2005
Posted on 11/22/21 at 2:15 pm to Tigerbait2005
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it allowed Woodward to openly discuss the opening with potentially interested parties
no it didn't. name one coach that has been openly interviewed for the job. The same thing that has happened to date could've happened without firing O yet...now we look stupid having a fired coach in charge of the team with 6 games left. also a bad look for the players.
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 2:22 pm to MDB
Just because you have 'your guy" and he has said yes, doesn't mean his school can't offer more or he changes his mind. A coach won't sign a contract while he is coaching another team.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 2:28 pm to SlidellCajun
What’s the alternative?
Continue to pay O to lose games?
Continue to pay O to lose games?
Posted on 11/22/21 at 2:28 pm to SlidellCajun
he may have botched the frick out of the timing. We probably should have waiting until yesterday or so to fire him. we did it so early and its caused all kinds of extensions to be thrown around.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 2:36 pm to KiwiHead
quote:So it is your contention that, in the wake of the 2019 NC season:
Neither Pelini or Orgeron wanted Pelini in BR as DC. Orgeron was sort of forced to hire Pelini and Pelini got here and started acting as though he did not need to talk to his boss because Orgeron did not really hire him. It was mostly Woodward and Orgeron went along with it but did not like Pelini. Pelini felt as though he did not need to show up for work in the off season.
-Woodward selected Pelini as DC over Orgeron's objections
- Pelini didn't really want the job, but took it anyway
- Woodward signed Pelini to a 3-year, $6.9 million guaranteed contract
- Pelini responded to this by skipping work from the end of spring practice til August
- Pelini didn't report to Orgeron
- When it was obvious that Pelini was a disastrous choice, Woodward bought him out to the tune of $4.6 million
If all of this is true, why on earth does any LSU fan trust Woodward's judgement when it comes to hiring the next LSU HC?
Posted on 11/22/21 at 2:40 pm to Big4SALTbro
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we did it so early and its caused all kinds of extensions to be thrown around.
you get it
Posted on 11/22/21 at 2:43 pm to FearlessFreep
It’s Obvious he did not have his man, he convinced the donors that if they ponied up the change, he could name who he wanted and coaches would storm the gates. But it backfired, LSU is not the only program who can muster up $100M offers. So we got played by agents again. Now we are in desperation mode, about to loose recruits and what’s left of the talent on the roster. Pretty much the sky is falling situation
This post was edited on 11/22/21 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 11/22/21 at 2:58 pm to FearlessFreep
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-Woodward selected Pelini as DC over Orgeron's objections
That's pretty much what happened. I don't know about all the other things you listed, but O would not have hired him. He wasn't given a choice by SW. That's why O never interviewed Pelini. People went wild over that, but now you know the reason. I believe O has said since then that he will never hire another assistant without an interview or something like that. O has never told the real story for which SW is probably grateful or he should be.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 3:09 pm to Gris Gris
Pelini was a Woodward spy
Posted on 11/22/21 at 3:21 pm to JiminyCricket
Pretty damm appetizing to any coach in America except the Top 10 list and even after offering record smashing compensation too. Is that where this is headed?
Posted on 11/22/21 at 3:32 pm to Gris Gris
quote:If that is common knowledge, don’t you think that will possibly cause some top HC candidates to turn Woodward down?
He wasn't given a choice by SW. That's why O never interviewed Pelini.
Sure, now it may make sense seeing how it all went down, but your major contention - that your AD took away the ability of the HC to select his own DC In the wake of what every LSU fan considers the greatest CFB season in history - calls into question every move Woodward has made in the last 21 months.
I mean, maybe that’s why Eaux seemed to not give a shite once he got his big contract extension. He knew Woodward didn’t trust him even after he won it all in 2019.
This post was edited on 11/22/21 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 11/22/21 at 3:40 pm to KiwiHead
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Orgeron was sort of forced to hire Pelini
by who?
Posted on 11/22/21 at 3:46 pm to SlidellCajun
Firing O made his negotiating position stronger, not weaker. He isn't trying to get a coach on the cheap, he's trying to hire the best coach in America. Being all in is the best way to do that.
Woody didn't mess up by getting rid of Orgeron. Orgeron eliminated himself from the job. If we get a competent, organized, intelligent coach, it will be a different situation from the past 17 years. I'm looking forward to the change.
Woody didn't mess up by getting rid of Orgeron. Orgeron eliminated himself from the job. If we get a competent, organized, intelligent coach, it will be a different situation from the past 17 years. I'm looking forward to the change.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 4:08 pm to FearlessFreep
You are pretty close. That's why I don't get this whole savior thing you guys build around Woodward. He likes to make a big splash....but his splashes do not necessarily mean results after he hires them. Other than Chris Petersen who has he hired that landed him tangible results after he hired them away. He'll pay to get rid of his mistakes that's for sure
Posted on 11/22/21 at 4:15 pm to FearlessFreep
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If that is common knowledge, don’t you think that will possibly cause some top HC candidates to turn Woodward down?
I don't know if it was common knowledge, but it was rumor at least.
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It was widely discussed in coaching circles last year that Scott Woodward, not Ed Orgeron, was the one who decided to hire and negotiated the deal with Bo Pelini.
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It's definitely not a good look for SW from the view of prospective coaches if they know anything about it.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 4:22 pm to FearlessFreep
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If that is common knowledge, don’t you think that will possibly cause some top HC candidates to turn Woodward down?
Common knowledge???
Please. This reads like fanfic.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 4:40 pm to monsterballads
Administration. Orgeron all but said it when he said he did not interview Pelini. From what I understand it was Ausberry who was behind it but Woodward signed off on it.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 4:57 pm to SlidellCajun
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always believed that Woody was a guy that had his ducks in a row. I figured that if he fired O, it was because he knew that he could get the coach he wanted.
Woodward attended the Kentucky game, and then fired O after. Did Woodward use that a chance to shake hands with Stoops and come to an agreement?
Posted on 11/22/21 at 4:58 pm to SlidellCajun
I say Woodward landed in BR expecting to fire Ed as soon as he could. Ed wasn't his guy, and without Burrow Ed would've already been gone for the guy Woodward wanted... and has had... on deck.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 5:14 pm to FearlessFreep
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Woodward selected Pelini as DC over Orgeron's objections
- Pelini didn't really want the job, but took it anyway
- Woodward signed Pelini to a 3-year, $6.9 million guaranteed contract
- Pelini responded to this by skipping work from the end of spring practice til August
- Pelini didn't report to Orgeron
- When it was obvious that Pelini was a disastrous choice, Woodward bought him out to the tune of $4.6 million
If all of this is true, why on earth does any LSU fan trust Woodward's judgement when it comes to hiring the next LSU HC?
I dont think Woodward is the best ever. I've been saying it all season. He is paying over 30 million in buyouts to coaches to fix his mistakes.
Somebody hired Pelini and whoever did is a total idiot. Woodward would have final say on hires like Pelini, Leinahan, Petz, Daronte etc..
Woodward has seemed to always just money whip things. I've said many times dont be surprised when Woodward keeps raising the price to attend a game to make up for all these mistakes.
Now obviously if he makes a good hire, I will quit bashing him. But I'm not sold on Woodward being the all time great AD that people on here make him out to be. But obviously he is a step above the total buffoon Alleva.
This post was edited on 11/22/21 at 5:19 pm
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