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re: Has anyone heard that Crowton
Posted on 12/27/10 at 1:27 pm to south bama tiger
Posted on 12/27/10 at 1:27 pm to south bama tiger
I really hope so 
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Posted on 12/27/10 at 1:32 pm to dos crystal
quote:you have to ask miles that question...
if they ran it in 07, why did you pay g.c. to be the o.c.? why push jimbo out the door?
quote:b/c the QB that had been in that system for the previous 4 years knew the offense???
if they ran it in 07, why did they forget it since jimbo wasn't here?
quote:B/C the qb mentioned above is gone..
you know his play book and know how and when to call the play that works, then why not go back to it?
quote:is this you Gary???
this logic makes no sense. plays are plays
Posted on 12/27/10 at 1:48 pm to TiegerTim
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you have to ask miles that question...
well, i'm not the one stating they ran jimbo's offense in 2007.
quote:
b/c the QB that had been in that system for the previous 4 years knew the offense???
now it's the qb who called the plays. the o.c. didn't know what plays the qb was calling.
quote:
is this you Gary???
RAN TARD!
This post was edited on 12/27/10 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 12/27/10 at 1:58 pm to dos crystal
quote:so you think that GC installed his entire offense in one off season??
well, i'm not the one stating they ran jimbo's offense in 2007.
quote:now who's the tard?? the QB runs the offense... he doesn't call the plays, but he does run the offense...
now it's the qb who called the plays. the o.c. didn't know what plays the qb was calling.
quote:
you tard
Posted on 12/27/10 at 2:24 pm to DEG
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But there are plenty of simple offensive schemes and philosophies that rely on great execution, period. Les wants to have a good running game and smashmouth offense. That doesn't require genius play-calling or strange formations. It requires guys to be coached up and to beat the guy in front of you. Good teams can execute offensively even when the defense knows what's coming.
You just posted the exact reason the guy has to go. Malleveto wasn't a failure due to their playcalling or gameplanning. They were a failure because no matter what they called it didn't work. It wasn't just a matter of not blitzing enough or playing the wrong coverage. They couldn't mold the defense into a cohesive unit.
Crowton isn't a failure because he calls the wrong plays or because he can't put together a good gameplan. Our offense has been so bad lately the problem is bigger than playcalls and gameplans. It isn't possible for a coach to call that many bad plays in a row. Crowton must go because he simply can not mold the offense into an efficient machine. The problems are in Spring camp, Fall camp, and Sunday-Friday during the season...not necessarily on gameday. He can not get them to execute even though it is his job to do so.
This isn't a fluke. The same pattern has followed him everywhere since he left Louisiana Tech.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 2:44 pm to MOT
This shite has been going on too long, and hopefully on Jan. 8th, 2011 this shite will end.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 3:04 pm to TiegerTim
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so you think that GC installed his entire offense in one off season??
quote:
now it's the qb who called the plays. the o.c. didn't know what plays the qb was calling.
now who's the tard?? the QB runs the offense... he doesn't call the plays, but he does run the offense...
i'm sorry, i know you are not understanding or this is flying over your head. i never suggested it was the qb who called the plays. that would be you.
let me make it simple. this isn't a statement that i'm a big g.c. fan or that i believe he needs to stay with lsu.
my original response was in reference to those who believe lsu, g.c., les miles, flynn, or whomever you want say, ran jimbo's offense in 2007. That was the reason for the success in 2007 was that (insert name here) ran jimbo's offense.
if the above, which has been stated on numerous occasions, is correct. then you have to believe that (insert name here) knew jimbo's offense, knew what play to call, and what time to call the certain play for it to work. If that person (insert name here) new and could do this in 2007, why couldn't they do it now? (jimbo wasn't here in 2007).
your response
"b/c the QB that had been in that system for the previous 4 years knew the offense???"
if the credit go's to flynn, then, according to you he called the plays because he was the only one that knew the offense.
however, if your a reasonable thinking person, you can conclude the coaches knew the offense as well. if this is the case, then they knew what play and when to call that play in jimbo's offense in 2007. why is it they can't do it in 2009, 2010, ect?
notice 2008 is missing. The offense was pretty good for exception of the pick six's. it avg over 30 pts a game. was this g.c. or jimbo's offense? who was calling the plays/running the offense, flynn was gone.
my point, people who state g.c. was successful in 2007 because he ran jimbo's offense are either so dumb or to ignorant, they can't figure out that g.c. more likely than not still know's the jimbo offense and could still call it.
The most reasonable person would conclude, g.c. lost m.f., herman johnson, brett helms, q johnson and this had a big effect.
The reason he should be replaced is his inability to recruit replacements equal or better. the last two season's we have had two first time starters at center, spotty left and right guard play, no full back, and below average qb play, not because he forgot how run jimbo's offense.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 3:11 pm to dos crystal
GC needs to go because he can't get the offense in the top 100 the last 3 years!!!!
I blame the leader of the Offense..which is the HC of the offense...which would be Gary Crowton!!!
he didn't have a quality QB, but that's his problem in year 3!!
end of story!
Case closed!!
Bye Bye!!!
I blame the leader of the Offense..which is the HC of the offense...which would be Gary Crowton!!!
he didn't have a quality QB, but that's his problem in year 3!!
end of story!
Case closed!!
Bye Bye!!!
Posted on 12/27/10 at 3:15 pm to ApexTiger
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GC needs to go because he can't get the offense in the top 100 the last 3 years!!!!
If you are going to try and use stats to back up your argument then use ones that are actually true. Our offense has been bad enough that you don't need to make up anything to show how bad it has been.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 4:07 pm to TiegerTim
And you know this because your coaching experience is exactly.....??????
Posted on 12/27/10 at 5:19 pm to DeeHorton
The offense we ran in 2007 was very similiar to Jimbo's. The biggest difference was probably the introduction of the pistol formation and we ran some option plays with Flynn and RP. The offense kept the majority of Jimbo's playbook because if you remember LSU was one of the favorites to win the NC and the coaches knew the team was primed for a championship run.
You want proof? Here's a direct quote from Crowton:
LINK
Sorry I can't link to the entire article
You want proof? Here's a direct quote from Crowton:
quote:
"I've had a lot of success offensively in the past, and Jimbo Fisher had a lot of success offensively here, and what we want to do is continue that scheme in which the players are familiar while at the same time bringing in some things."
LINK
Sorry I can't link to the entire article
Posted on 12/27/10 at 5:41 pm to MOT
quote:
You just posted the exact reason the guy has to go. Malleveto wasn't a failure due to their playcalling or gameplanning. They were a failure because no matter what they called it didn't work. It wasn't just a matter of not blitzing enough or playing the wrong coverage. They couldn't mold the defense into a cohesive unit.
Crowton isn't a failure because he calls the wrong plays or because he can't put together a good gameplan. Our offense has been so bad lately the problem is bigger than playcalls and gameplans. It isn't possible for a coach to call that many bad plays in a row. Crowton must go because he simply can not mold the offense into an efficient machine. The problems are in Spring camp, Fall camp, and Sunday-Friday during the season...not necessarily on gameday. He can not get them to execute even though it is his job to do so.
I agree with this. And, I'm not 100% sure that it's all Crowton's fault.
Nevertheless, we'd be better off with a change, and the next guy will hopefully will take more of a leadership role in making sure that all of the moving pieces are performing in a manner that is required to succeed.
Crowton's biggest flaw IMO is that he defers to Miles and Studrawa. That will not work, and he will not be effective in that role.
People that say that Crowton has been "figured out" really don't know what they are talking about. College football as a whole is a much simpler game than the NFL. There isn't a whole lot of scheming going on that gives any one team an advantage. On the other hand, the best coaches implement their schemes much better and don't consistently get in their own way. It opens up opportunities in playcalling to be creative. LSU seldom gets there not because Crowton has been figured out...but because most of the time the offense is putting itself in poor situations due to execution.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 5:50 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
GC needs to go because he can't get the offense in the top 100 the last 3 years!!!!
This little red herring has been way overplayed.
Some arbitrary ranking is unimportant except to the casual fan. If having such and such rank is is important to your ego, then you don't have any true understanding of the game.
There are teams with offensive "rankings" higher than LSU's that are having losing seasons. I wouldn't want to trade. And you shouldn't either.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 5:56 pm to Gray Tiger
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There are teams with offensive "rankings" higher than LSU's that are having losing seasons. I wouldn't want to trade
I bet these teams with loosing season do not have a defense as good as LSU's.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 5:56 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:
Some arbitrary ranking is unimportant except to the casual fan. If having such and such rank is is important to your ego, then you don't have any true understanding of the game.
true but it does tell you how badly the offense has been.
quote:
There are teams with offensive "rankings" higher than LSU's that are having losing seasons. I wouldn't want to trade. And you shouldn't either.
no one said they would but the team would have gotten more wins with a better offense.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 6:14 pm to dos crystal
quote:
If they ran a mix of jimbo's offense and g.c's offense and it was successful in 07. then ran g.c. offense and it wasn't successful, why wouldn't they just go back to the mix of jimbo's and g.c. offense?
because he wants to run his offense
and if you don't see the difference in offense from 2007 to 2010 you're being dense
Posted on 12/27/10 at 6:16 pm to adammwilson
We gave away a BCS title this year because of QB play.
We are currently below par both in evaluating and developing talent at that position. Evaluating and developing talent at QB is on Crowton.
We've also had some really bad luck there, given the actions of Ryan Perriloux and Zach Lee, which we really could not afford.
We are currently below par both in evaluating and developing talent at that position. Evaluating and developing talent at QB is on Crowton.
We've also had some really bad luck there, given the actions of Ryan Perriloux and Zach Lee, which we really could not afford.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 6:20 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
completely agreed.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 7:06 pm to south bama tiger
quote:
The offense we ran in 2007 was very similiar to Jimbo's. The biggest difference was probably the introduction of the pistol formation and we ran some option plays with Flynn and RP. The offense kept the majority of Jimbo's playbook because if you remember LSU was one of the favorites to win the NC and the coaches knew the team was primed for a championship run.
You want proof? Here's a direct quote from Crowton:
this still doesn't answer the question. if it was jimbo's offense or a combination of jimbo and g.c., why the hell couldn't they call the same damn plays at the appropriate time in 2009 or 2010 as they did in 2007? jimbo was not here. therefore, the coach still knew the plays and knew when to call them. does it really matter who's offense or plays it was?
so the last few years they have never run a play that jimbo ran? this is what is so stupid about all this. coaches use other coaches plays. wild cat, zone read, pistol, bubble screen, option, on and on and on. the play isn't exclusive to one coach. it's knowing what to call and when to call it. i don't give a shite who's play it was in 2007, jimbo's, miles, crowton, it worked because the coach had the material to call the play and knew when to call the appropriate play. i don't think they forgot the plays that were called in 2007.
therefore, this 2007 offense worked because it was jimbo's offense is horse shite. why the hell was jimbo run out of town, people didn't like his plays in 2006 or 2005.
again, this isn't a g.c. is a wizard, genius, i love him support post. it's about the stupidity of that angle/argument and how little thought is used with it.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 7:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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nd if you don't see the difference in offense from 2007 to 2010 you're being dense
there is a difference not because g.c. wants to call "his plays". there is a difference because j.j. can't do what flynn could. josh d. can't block like herman could. p.j. can't block like helms could, because stampley cant block like q johnson could.
not understanding this is dense.
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