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re: OC - Paul Chryst (Wisconsin OC) - Do we have a shot?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:15 pm to Chicot
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:15 pm to Chicot
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It is a given...it is a fact, that Leach's offense is/was gimmicky....as in it was definetly anything but "straight-up football". Just because it semi-worked against lower tier defenses doesn't it wasn't gimmicky....
So if you don't line up in the I-Form or get under center anything you do is a gimmick? Considering that I coach in this offense at the FBS level and know all the coaches that run it and one's that are wanting concepts from it, I think I know if this offense is "gimmicky" or not. Gimmicky is never a word that has been used in coaching circles to describe the Air Raid.
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by the way, you ever consider that he couldn't get the big time athletes because none of the blue chippers wanted to play in that system? The ones that were willing to play in that system were the one's that wanted to play on Sundays but knew they couldn't get it done in a traditional pro style system.
One of stupidest comments I have seen on this board in a while. Have you been to Lubbock, Texas before? Texas Tech is anything but a easy place to recruit too.
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Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
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H-Town Tiger
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I can't speak for every one, but that's not what I'm saying. You and some others seem to be saying the opposite. USC won a shite ton of games running a pro style offense. So did Miami when they were good. Bama's offense is pro style. The personel LSU has right now fits that offense. Why do we what to under go a radical change in style when its been proven you can win and have great offensive #'s running that offense?
Part of the reason UK gave people fits was because the offense is gimmicky and not what you see every week.
This is very well said.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:21 pm to Chicot
So let me get this straight. You're saying that with the current WR's RB's, TE's and QB's that are at LSU and coming to LSU that an Air Raid type offense for example would not be successful but only successful if it were "pro-style"? 
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:23 pm to Kunka
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Considering that I coach in this offense at the FBS level and know all the coaches that run it and one's that are wanting concepts from it, I think I know if this offense is "gimmicky" or not. Gimmicky is never a word that has been used in coaching circles to describe the Air Raid.
Cough..bs...cough
If you actually were a coad at the FBS level, you wouldn't (or shouldn't) have time to spend on this message board. So I don't believe any of the rest of your post.
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One of stupidest comments I have seen on this board in a while. Have you been to Lubbock, Texas before? Texas Tech is anything but a easy place to recruit too.
Kinda like Waco right? TCU doesn't get the top guys either, but they don't need the gimmicks of the air raid offense to be successful.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:29 pm to Chicot
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If you actually were a coad at the FBS level, you wouldn't (or shouldn't) have time to spend on this message board. So I don't believe any of the rest of your post.
Whatever you say. Have you ever heard of an I-Phone, multitasking? Tigerdroppings is a place of hobby, humor for me. It's fun to mix it up with fans.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:29 pm to Kunka
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So let me get this straight. You're saying that with the current WR's RB's, TE's and QB's that are at LSU and coming to LSU that an Air Raid type offense for example would not be successful but only successful if it were "pro-style"?
I think that LSU's personnel is best suited for a pro-style offense. The WRs are big, long guys that are long striders. They tend to reach top speed on longer routes that take a bit longer to develop. The air raid offense is better suited for shorter, quick (rather than fast..yes there's a difference) receivers like Wes Welker as someone posted ealier. The air raid offense also requires QBs to make real quick reads as WRs routes often changeat the snap of the ball as their routes are determined by defensive alignments rather than set routes called in the huddle. Obviously, our QBs don't or haven't been able to read the field that well. They need to know where their receivers will be. Lastly, RBs in the air raid offense are usually more like scat backs that tender to be smaller, quicker backs that are great pass catchers. Kinda like what Bush is to the Saints. With the exception of a couple of guys, LSU's RBs are primarily power running guys.
So not saying that with some huge adjustements that LSU couldn't be successful with the air raid, but the players are already there to run the pro-style now and run it very well.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:30 pm to Chicot
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but they don't need the gimmicks of the air raid offense to be successful
They are a heavy spread team though that uses quiet a bit of principles and concepts from the air raid.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:32 pm to Kunka
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Whatever you say. Have you ever heard of an I-Phone, multitasking? Tigerdroppings is a place of hobby, humor for me. It's fun to mix it up with fans.
Sure I have. But for an FBS coach, I would think that multitasking would be more along the lines of watching game film while pencilling in recruiting trip itineraries while calling HS coaches to find the next big recruit, etc. Not trying to stir shite with fans.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:34 pm to Kunka
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They are a heavy spread team though
I would call TCU a heavy spread team. They are capable, and are willing, to run the ball much more than "heavy spread" teams. In fact, they run mulitiple back sets which is not really that common from "heavy spread" teams.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:40 pm to Chicot
If Miles has time to post here I'm sure Kunka does too.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:40 pm to willeaux
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If Miles has time to post here I'm sure Kunka does too
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:49 pm to Chicot
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The air raid offense is better suited for shorter, quick (rather than fast..yes there's a difference) receivers like Wes Welker as someone posted ealier. The air raid offense also requires QBs to make real quick reads as WRs routes often changeat the snap of the ball as their routes are determined by defensive alignments rather than set routes called in the huddle. Obviously, our QBs don't or haven't been able to read the field that well. They need to know where their receivers will be.
Everything in this statement about the Air Raid is completely wrong and are common misconceptions of the offense.
Was at a coaching convention one time with Mumme, Leach and a lot of other who's who's in coaching and a coach asked Leach a question about what would be the perfect athlete to have at the skill positions to make his offense the most dangerous or did he prefer a certain type of skill guy. Leach responds by saying, "have you ever seen those freaks that LSU has at tailback & wide receiver every year?, if you could ever get those type of guys in this system, it would be special to watch & would make guys like me a lot better football coach and make our jobs a lot easier" He went on to say that he would love the opportunity to coach the type of athletes that those SEC guys get every year.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:50 pm to Chicot
Even college coaches have to have some get away time
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:52 pm to Kunka
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Everything in this statement about the Air Raid is completely wrong and are common misconceptions of the offense.
Way to provide details pal.
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Was at a coaching convention one time with Mumme, Leach and a lot of other who's who's in coaching and a coach asked Leach a question about what would be the perfect athlete to have at the skill positions to make his offense the most dangerous or did he prefer a certain type of skill guy. Leach responds by saying, "have you ever seen those freaks that LSU has at tailback & wide receiver every year?, if you could ever get those type of guys in this system, it would be special to watch & would make guys like me a lot better football coach and make our jobs a lot easier" He went on to say that he would love the opportunity to coach the type of athletes that those SEC guys get every year.
Lest you forget than when Leach and Mumme were at UK, LSU did have players similar to what I described (with the exception on Faulk).
Posted on 1/13/11 at 3:56 pm to Kunka
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Even college coaches have to have some get away time
With only 20 days until NSD, wouldn't it be more appropriate for your get away time to happen after that date? Still not buying that you're an FBS coach.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 5:38 pm to Kunka
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You're saying that with the current WR's RB's, TE's and QB's that are at LSU and coming to LSU that an Air Raid type offense for example would not be successful but only successful if it were "pro-style"? :confused
I don't know what you mean by "air raid" offense, but its not an either or situation. LSU is set to run a pro style offense. Could the talent LSU have be successful in a different offense? Sure, though I'm not sure about the QB's right now, in a pass first offense.
I don't why people think because our offense was bad the last 2 years and didn't win the NC in 2006 that our offensive style or a pro style philosophy won't work and we need some radical change?
This post was edited on 1/13/11 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 1/13/11 at 6:23 pm to snake1
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Lsu won the 2003 BCSNC with a hard nose ground game...
and with defense...
oh yeah, and Matt Mauck tied an LSU record for TD passes in a season.
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.nebraska won 3 NCs with a hard nose ground game.
decades ago via the option
Posted on 1/13/11 at 6:44 pm to Lester Earl
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Wisconsin is the last place i want to dip in and take an OC. They've been a pound it out team which seems like forever, and they consistently underachieve.
too lazy to read whole thread, but I totally agree with this.
I dont really get the obsession with Chryst outside of him meshing well with Miles.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 7:23 pm to Lester Earl
Lester, are you saying that the 2003 LSU offense was wide open because Mauck set a TD record? That LSU can't or won't have great defense again or that because Chryst ran 2 times for ever pass he threw at Wisky that he do the same at LSU?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 8:27 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Chryst ran 2 times for ever pass he threw at Wisky
Chryst may have run the ball a lot, but I don't see what the problem is if that's what your're good at. Wisky ran for over 3000 yards and was averging nearly 4 rushing TDs a game. Now, that's not to say they didn't have a good passing game. Their QB threw for nearly 2500 yards. I'd like to see what Chryst did at other schools, but right now, I personally think Chryst would be a great hire. He can bring his o-line coach too.
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