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re: There is a ton of intellectual dishonesty regarding O
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:56 pm to Hot Carl
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:56 pm to Hot Carl
4) "He's one of us"
Of course, that's a terrible reason to hire anybody, much less a head coach. But it's human nature to pull for people similar to you, that you see yourself in. It's why Tom Hanks is such a popular movie star, why the 1st 40 Presidents were white makes, why President Obama got so much of the black vote, why you root for Ms. Louisiana in the Ms.America pangeant, hell, why you love any high school, college, or pro team--they represent us. And there are probably a few tards who have convinced themselves that O is the right man for the job because of his name, his accent, his lingo, etc...but...
Most of us who talk about his roots being an atvantage do so because the way he speaks, the fire he has, the Cajun receipts he enjoys, etc...will help him being the LSU HEAD COACH. And that's the job we hired him for. In a vacuum, at a Big 10 school, whatever, guys like Gundy and Fedora would almost definitely be better than O. But it's not in a vacuum, LSU in South Louisiana, and I think that he would be a better coach HERE. It will help him develop, nurture, and grow relationships. With the money guys, with the community, with high school coaches, but most importantly, with high school recruits themselves. And their parents. He can relate to them better than any coach in LSU history. It may or may not be enough to be successful(I am very apprehensive of his ability to hire outstanding coaches beyond this year).
Again, Orgeron wasn't who I wanted and I think Alleva fricked up the process. But I'm an optimist when it comes to LSU. I loved Archer, Dinardo, Saban, and Miles(always hated Curley) in my lifetime. And I'm gonna love Ed Orgeron until he gives me a reason not to. You don't have to agree. shite, part of me doesn't agree. But if we can get past the Cajun, BBQ, Boudreaux and Thibideaux, gumbo, and jambalaya jokes for a second, be intellectually honest with each other--and ourselves--then maybe we could have a decent discussion about LSU football again, rather than everybody racing to their fatalistic corners to make fun of and call everybody that disagrees with them retarded while they circle jerk each other's cocks. Or whatever.
Of course, that's a terrible reason to hire anybody, much less a head coach. But it's human nature to pull for people similar to you, that you see yourself in. It's why Tom Hanks is such a popular movie star, why the 1st 40 Presidents were white makes, why President Obama got so much of the black vote, why you root for Ms. Louisiana in the Ms.America pangeant, hell, why you love any high school, college, or pro team--they represent us. And there are probably a few tards who have convinced themselves that O is the right man for the job because of his name, his accent, his lingo, etc...but...
Most of us who talk about his roots being an atvantage do so because the way he speaks, the fire he has, the Cajun receipts he enjoys, etc...will help him being the LSU HEAD COACH. And that's the job we hired him for. In a vacuum, at a Big 10 school, whatever, guys like Gundy and Fedora would almost definitely be better than O. But it's not in a vacuum, LSU in South Louisiana, and I think that he would be a better coach HERE. It will help him develop, nurture, and grow relationships. With the money guys, with the community, with high school coaches, but most importantly, with high school recruits themselves. And their parents. He can relate to them better than any coach in LSU history. It may or may not be enough to be successful(I am very apprehensive of his ability to hire outstanding coaches beyond this year).
Again, Orgeron wasn't who I wanted and I think Alleva fricked up the process. But I'm an optimist when it comes to LSU. I loved Archer, Dinardo, Saban, and Miles(always hated Curley) in my lifetime. And I'm gonna love Ed Orgeron until he gives me a reason not to. You don't have to agree. shite, part of me doesn't agree. But if we can get past the Cajun, BBQ, Boudreaux and Thibideaux, gumbo, and jambalaya jokes for a second, be intellectually honest with each other--and ourselves--then maybe we could have a decent discussion about LSU football again, rather than everybody racing to their fatalistic corners to make fun of and call everybody that disagrees with them retarded while they circle jerk each other's cocks. Or whatever.
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:58 pm to wildtigercat93
I think Alleva took O's talk hook, line, and sinker.
Alleva likely fell for "I got Kiffin lined up"...and he prolly felt pressure to get search done quickly to limit any perceived damage recruiting class.
This administration is just incompetent in this area. Alleva is not a leader or a visionary.
O better nail the OC hire and close strong in recruiting or he won't make it to see his first class become seniors.
Alleva likely fell for "I got Kiffin lined up"...and he prolly felt pressure to get search done quickly to limit any perceived damage recruiting class.
This administration is just incompetent in this area. Alleva is not a leader or a visionary.
O better nail the OC hire and close strong in recruiting or he won't make it to see his first class become seniors.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:59 pm to Hot Carl
Both LSU and USC probably win the same games regardless
Especially LSU
Especially LSU
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:01 pm to Clockwatcher68
quote:
Trent?
No, Johnny was a terrible hire, but one that was probably forced upon him. Which in itself speaks to something.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:02 pm to Hot Carl
quote:
But more importantly, he guided the AD in raising a ton of money, upgrading Tiger Stadium, and either replacing or upgrading a ton of other athletic facilities. People typically judge an AD by the hires he
Why do people post this nonsense? At one point LSU was ranked 3rd in program worth by forbes. All that money came from the success of Les Miles. Not fricking Joe Alleva.
Expand the stadium? It didn't need more seats, it needs better facilities and fan experience to keep the people in their seats.
Alleva is and has been shite. He road the tails of an already established basketball program at Duke and an already established football program at LSU.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:04 pm to Hot Carl
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ith high school coaches, but most importantly, with high school recruits themselves. And their parents. He can relate to them
Come on dude....O has about as much in common with the kids he's recruiting as Dale does with dudes that don't like other dudes.
Don't get me wrong O is a good recruiter but it's not because they share similar backgrounds
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:06 pm to Hot Carl
quote:
) The binder
While it has become a pretty hilarious meme, you have to give O credit for forging a masterful campaign to get the job. People seem to think he stupidly stumble his way into the gig. Not true.
Well, he did the exact same thing when he intereviewed athe Ole Miss. The AD & chancellor were "blown away " by the 10 page plan he presented and the phone call from Pete Carroll.
Sound familiar?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:08 pm to OBUDan
When Clemson made that move they were not in same league as we were/are as a program when the O hire was made. They could afford to take the risk on the young high energy upstart. At least there also wasn't a body of work showing he's not really good at being the head of the program.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:13 pm to BilJ
Also, had Dabo taken another ACC job and tanked their program to the shitter?
If he had done that, then I don't think Clemson makes that hire.
My bad, BilJ, didn't get to your last sentence.
If he had done that, then I don't think Clemson makes that hire.
My bad, BilJ, didn't get to your last sentence.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:16 pm to BilJ
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Come on dude....O has about as much in common with the kids he's recruiting as Dale does with dudes that don't like other dudes.
Dale Murphy?
Yet, he's somehow able to relate. He shouldn't be as good a recruiter as he is, but he do.
That's a talent. And maybe not the Cajun specifically, but that talent is developed well in the South. It's an important advantage.
Another thing about O that I really like and that nobody ever seems to mention is that he's been a part of 4 or 5 historical pretty damn big and successful programs in Miami, Ole Miss, Tennessee, USC, and LSU. Not only did him getting those jobs in the 1st place speak to an ability that some really smart people saw, but also he knows the little things that make those kinda places work. I really like P.J. Fleck, and he may wind up being great, but I don't think that dude has ever been a part of a program on that scale. What works at Westen Michigan is not enough to be successful at LSU. Not that that makes O the best, but it is a feather in his cap that nobody talks about.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:21 pm to Hot Carl
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Hell, he may have even contributed to Miles' firing
I don't doubt it.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:23 pm to Hot Carl
Hot Carl, on point, as usual.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:24 pm to BilJ
True.
I agree the worst part is that Alleva didn't give anyone else a shot to wow him.
I think he's gun shy because his Fargas and Trent hires busted and they seemed like slam dunks.
I agree the worst part is that Alleva didn't give anyone else a shot to wow him.
I think he's gun shy because his Fargas and Trent hires busted and they seemed like slam dunks.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:26 pm to Hot Carl
But look at the pure amount of crap you had to write up just to make yourself lukewarm on this hire....that's a red flag.
I'm not saying what you wrote is shite, I'll eventually bullshite myself into thinking this will work and be on board, I did it every offseason the last few years with Les....but man right now my instincts say this will be the moment in LSU history that I tell my kids about to explain why LSU football sucks now.
I'm not saying what you wrote is shite, I'll eventually bullshite myself into thinking this will work and be on board, I did it every offseason the last few years with Les....but man right now my instincts say this will be the moment in LSU history that I tell my kids about to explain why LSU football sucks now.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:26 pm to Hot Carl
It is incredible the mental gymnastics people will perform to try and convince themselves that the program is not completely fricked.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:27 pm to Stevo
quote:
Stevo
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:28 pm to OBUDan
His arrogance prevented himself from hiring a search firm then..."I am the search" will be his legacy here
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:29 pm to BilJ
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But look at the pure amount of crap you had to write up just to make yourself lukewarm on this hire....that's a red flag.
Oh, no doubt. This whole thread is likely just me trying to convince myself.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:33 pm to Hot Carl
FWIW, many pro coaches use a binder in their presentations when interviewing for a HC. This is not something Coach O invented. Saban does not use a binder but he does..did...walk into the interview with pages & pages of questions & comments that he goes through page by page in the interview process. Being prepared has proven to work. As for his back ground, I am not sure if you know exactly what growing up semi poor down the bayou actually means in a man's day to day life. When he dropped out, his father put him to work digging telephone poles along La. 1. Everybody down there works on the boats growing up, and that is nothing but grunt work.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:34 pm to Hot Carl
quote:
Another thing about O that I really like and that nobody ever seems to mention is that he's been a part of 4 or 5 historical pretty damn big and successful programs in Miami, Ole Miss, Tennessee, USC, and LSU.
He was a part of most of those before he got his shot at Ole Miss. The only coaches he has worked under since his failed head coaching tenure was Lane Kiffin and Les Miles. I guess you could count one year with Sean Payton, but why did that only last a year?
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