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re: There is a ton of intellectual dishonesty regarding O
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:38 am to BilJ
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:38 am to BilJ
Once Herman fell through focus became retaining Aranda and Raymond by hiring O before coaching search season got in full swing and they left. A legitmate question is was hiring O so quickly to retain assistants a good decision. Time will tell.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:39 am to Topwater Trout
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How come it can't be we did a great search and out top 2 would not agree to a deal so we hired our 3rd choice?
How could striking out with a J. Sexton client who'd recently won a natty at a P5 school who likely was never coming to LSU and rescinding an offer to the top up and coming prospect to avoid a bidding war be considered a great search?
How could O possibly be considered our 3rd option after that debacle vs. Florida and without even interviewing anyone else when O wasn't going to have a single HC offer elsewhere?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:40 am to Rou Leed
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A legitmate question is was hiring O so quickly to retain assistants
its not a legitimate question and the answer is no
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:41 am to kbro
See previous post. The rush to hire O was to retain assistants. Doing a more thorough search increased the likelihood they would leave.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:43 am to Topwater Trout
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How come it can't be we did a great search and out top 2 would not agree to a deal so we hired our 3rd choice?
because if O is your third choice without actually interviewing anyone else, the search was anything but "great".
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:46 am to Rou Leed
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The rush to hire O was to retain assistants.
if you're in a rush to move on a HC so you can keep Aranda then maybe you should just hire Aranda.
Regardless if that were alleva's line of thinking then he should be fired immediately
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:46 am to BilJ
Jury is still out on Aranda but Reymond and Juluke and the like are the elite recruiters that have gotten talent here. They would have been impossible to replace and get equal productivity from new hires.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:49 am to Nutriaitch
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because if O is your third choice without actually interviewing anyone else, the search was anything but "great".
so he would have been 3rd-5th? and have any of them been hired? I think Fedora, Gundy, and Fleck were being thrown around a lot but not certain if they would have made top 5 for most or not
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:50 am to Rou Leed
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They would have been impossible to replace a
seriously? You really think we rushed to hire a HC in order to retain two good recruiters?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:52 am to BilJ
Gotta love how UT didn't even need a search, Joe basically did their search for them and neglected ours.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:54 am to Hot Carl
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interimly lead BOTH USC to a 6-2 record AND LSU to a 5-2 record
Talk about dishonest. There is a hell of a difference between being a coach responsible for every aspect of a football program and an interim coach responsible for taking over what is already in place and keeping the team together a couple of months.
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not working by his own free will.
What football coach is out of work by his own free will? They are out of work because for some reason someone decided they were not good enough or they decided they didn't want a job. They are still unemployed.
Bottom line, Alleva decided the best man to coach LSU was an out of work, two years ago, defensive line coach who had failed miserably the only other time he had been a SEC head coach. A coach who hadn't been able to get a head coach position in over ten years. A coach who had been passed over for every DC position available in college football for over a decade.
That's not intellectual dishonesty, but it is the fricked up process used by Alleva.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:54 am to Rou Leed
quote:What? Juluke has been here 1 year. The hardest guy to replace would've been Aranda had he left.
Jury is still out on Aranda but Reymond and Juluke and the like are the elite recruiters that have gotten talent here. They would have been impossible to replace and get equal productivity from new hires.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:55 am to BilJ
Yes. Raymond is as good as it gets in the country at what he does. Preserving coaches that actually do the work on the road to get players and keeping those guys employed was the priority. Keep recruiting framework was what drove quick hire of O.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:55 am to Rou Leed
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Rou Leed
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Jury is still out on Aranda
are you serious?? you have to be joking...
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:56 am to Rou Leed
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See previous post. The rush to hire O was to retain assistants. Doing a more thorough search increased the likelihood they would leave.
If the rush to hire a HC was to retain assistants that would be a 100% self inflicted wound on Alleva's part.
He stupidly went all in on Jimbo then got played by Herman.
After them it was clear he had nothing. Had he had a short list of quality interviews lined up he'd have been good.
Instead he settled and was fortunate to retain Aranda, who could've easily bolted to UT.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:58 am to TigerFan55555
He had a good year with a very talented group returning. Hopefully he can continue the success but they didnt play very well in their last game.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:00 pm to Rou Leed
Without Key and Beckwith
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:04 pm to kbro
Concur. Keeping Aranda and recruiting framework is a very positive factor in hiring O and the reason why the whole thing is not going to fail miserably.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:09 pm to Rou Leed
AKA we totally settled and opted to hold things together with hope, Aranda, dental floss, a paper clip, C. Raymond, some silly string and a Hail Mary that Kiffin gets turned down for 4 HC positions and Sark doesn't end up in rehab in the next 2 weeks.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:12 pm to Topwater Trout
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I think Fedora, Gundy, and Fleck were being thrown around a lot but not certain if they would have made top 5 for most or not
i personally had all 3 ranked above O.
i also had guys like Fuente, and Whittingham above him as well.
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