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If we have 4 super conferences and they leave the NCAA
Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:48 pm
and have a playoff where would that leave teams that stay independent? Say ND and UT goes independent. Would that leave them out of the picture all together? Or could this force the like of ND to finally join a conference?
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Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:51 pm to BayouBndt
If it were a requirement for membership in the new association, then if they would want to join, yes it would force them. But would they make it a requirement?
Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:53 pm to Indiana Tiger
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would they make it a requirement
It would be a way to make them earn their place at the table. I think the PAC 10 didn't for years in a weak conference and no championship game. I think if this scenerio plays out then they tell the independents to get on board or be left out in the cold.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:55 pm to BayouBndt
NCAA has nothing really to do with the BCS, so if the new format wanted ND and Tex in as independents they would let them.
I just don't see anyone breaking away from the NCAA because I doubt the NCAA would let you be a "partial" member. Then what happens to the other sports?
We are looking at super conferences mainly from a football standpoint, but look at basketball, where you have small schools like Butler and Gonzaga as major players in the tourney every year. Or hockey, where you may see a final four of Boston College, Notre Dame, South Dakota and Montana.
I think a lot of what we hate about the NCAA has to do with their rules and how they handle football (but really they don't handle football) and breaking away from the NCAA, even for 64 schools, you would lose a lot for all sports not named football.
I just don't see anyone breaking away from the NCAA because I doubt the NCAA would let you be a "partial" member. Then what happens to the other sports?
We are looking at super conferences mainly from a football standpoint, but look at basketball, where you have small schools like Butler and Gonzaga as major players in the tourney every year. Or hockey, where you may see a final four of Boston College, Notre Dame, South Dakota and Montana.
I think a lot of what we hate about the NCAA has to do with their rules and how they handle football (but really they don't handle football) and breaking away from the NCAA, even for 64 schools, you would lose a lot for all sports not named football.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 3:00 pm to PJinAtl
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NCAA has nothing really to do with the BCS,
This may be the problem. Get the BCS out of it and let the NCAA run it. Who runs the lower divisions in football? They have playoffs.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 3:08 pm to BayouBndt
quote:I think the NCAA handles FCS, Div II and Div III playoffs.
This may be the problem. Get the BCS out of it and let the NCAA run it. Who runs the lower divisions in football? They have playoffs.
In order for FBS schools to go to an NCAA led playoff, the school presidents would have to sign off on it, and I don't think you would geta majority to do that. The long standing reason has been that adding two or three more games/weeks to the season is unfair to the student athlete because 1) the way things stand right now they have a break around December finals, and 2) additional games could be dangerous from an injury standpoint. Personally I think the schools are making so much $$$ from the bowl set up that they don't want to give it up.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 3:22 pm to PJinAtl
What needs to happen is the "big boys" of college football form their own association. We take the other sports with us and cripple the NCAA. Remember, the only thing the NCAA really makes alot of money on is March Madness. They control the TV deal. If we take the other sports with us, then we can negotiate are own TV deal for basketball and only have to split it about 50-60 ways not 328ish.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 4:09 pm to BayouBndt
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It would be a way to make them earn their place at the table. I think the PAC 10 didn't for years in a weak conference and no championship game. I think if this scenerio plays out then they tell the independents to get on board or be left out in the cold.
ND gets too much irrational hate. They play as good or better schedule than an average BCS team. No it wouldn't compare to the SEC West now, but few do. Probably better than an SEC west schedule thru the early aughts though, but that shite goes thru cycles.
The BCS conditions ND has are reasonable for an independent of their stature. If a 3 loss LSU or a 4 loss FSU team ranked in the teens can get a guaranteed bid, why shouldn't an 8th or better ranked ND get one? Yes, if they only qualify to be an at-large candidate, it is true they would be picked over higher tanked teams if there was a spot available, but that is because they make the bowls more money. The same would be true if they were in a conf.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 4:18 pm to PJinAtl
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In order for FBS schools to go to an NCAA led playoff, the school presidents would have to sign off on it, and I don't think you would geta majority to do that. The long standing reason has been that adding two or three more games/weeks to the season is unfair to the student athlete because 1) the way things stand right now they have a break around December finals, and 2) additional games could be dangerous from an injury standpoint. Personally I think the schools are making so much $$$ from the bowl set up that they don't want to give it up.
No one really gives a shite about the number of games; that's just an excuse to justify their position. The BCS conferences make so much money from the bowl games, because they control the TV rights and retain as much money as they can get away with. A playoff run by the NCAA requires them to give that up. If the haves break off into a separate assoc, then it is only a matter of time before a playoff will come about because it will generate more money.
As the other poster said, if they wanted to keep more of the basketball money, they could do the same there too, but they don't have to limit it to the same number of football programs. Of course they don't have to break off completely, all they have to do is create a separate div within the FBS with fewer teams and higher barriers to entry.
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