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It’s The Big Ugly, and We’re Here For It (long but important context).

Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:30 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:30 pm
Perhaps a little focus on the foundation of the issue is in order.




Ever since the professional Republican apparatus decided to target, eliminate and destroy the grassroots movement known as the Tea Party, there was always going to come a time when the battle for the heart and soul of the GOP Club would take place.

CTH has been calling this battle ‘The Big Ugly‘ for around a decade.

The Big Ugly battle is essentially the fight between the grassroots working class base of MAGA voters and the professional political snobs in control of the Republican Club boardroom.

Some call it the ‘base’ -vs- the ‘establishment’. There are other names and catchphrases, but the essence of the dynamic is the same. A scruffy voting base, who, prior to Donald Trump, had no visible leader to represent their internal interests around the mahogany table.

Ordinary voters were in an abusive relationship with the people around the GOP boardroom. The Club needed our votes, and our money (less so after the Citizens United decision) but had no intention of ever actually delivering on the priorities of the voters. The Republican political establishment played Lucy with the football for years, and We The People always ended up flat on our backs, continually frustrated and feeling used.

In the same year the Tea Party rose up, the Supreme Court gave the GOP Club legal access to unlimited corporate money with the 2010 Citizens United decision. Mitch McConnell used the newly unrestrained campaign finance mechanism to further diminish the influence of the unwashed masses and eliminate the movement; it’s all well documented.


For the next several years we watched and participated in a political pantomime with highlights to include the 2012 installation of Club member Mitt Romney to represent our interests. Yeah, whatever…. It was a hot mess. Bumper Sticker:



The base voters watched the GOP Corporate Club do nothing to block Obamacare, even after we gave them the House in 2010 midterms. Obamacare was another Lucy and the football scenario, while the Senate wing of the Corporate Club created “comprehensive immigration reform,” including amnesty with Marco Rubio. Eventually, the bloom wore off the ruse, and we dispatched Virginia Club official Eric Cantor as a message to the Corporate Club to knock it off.

The Corporate Club didn’t and doesn’t care. Instead, while they sold out the working-class to the multinationals (TPA, TPP, Paris Climate, etc) they fought harder, gaslight more, and made even more promises they never intended to keep. Lucy had an unending supply of footballs.

Then in 2015 things changed. The voting base found a weapon for use against the Republican Club, the weapon’s name was Donald Trump. From the very first poll conducted after his 2015 announcement Trump was leading the charge, and that lead steamrolled 16 other Club approved candidates. The Club remained furious and vowed to remove the disrupter we sent into the boardroom.

Candidate Trump and President Donald Trump tried to deal with them fair and square on our behalf, but they rebuked him and us. The Club schemed against him, connived in their little corporate groups to get rid of him, joined with the communists in common cause to cleanse the Club boardroom of the smell from oil, tar and fuel oil, and wanted that vulgarian representative of the dirty fingernail working class eliminated. They want only the “approved Republican” presence.

So, it was always going to get ugly.

It was always going to get Big Ugly.

The Club’s enlistment of former TPP approving congressman Ron DeSantis as a foil against the MAGA leader is transparent. DeSantis, funded by massive contributions from the Wall Street approval committee, replaces the prior approved candidate, Jeb. As a consequence, this Big Ugly battle was always going to end up with vulgarian Trump -vs- the next Jeb. The Club has selected DeSantis.

Now, let’s be clear. The Republican political establishment, which includes the entirety of the multinationals in/around it, hereafter just called ‘The Club’, doesn’t give a damn about actually winning the 2024 presidential race. The Club didn’t give a damn when Romney was used either.

What the Club wants is full control of the Club agenda, that’s where the money is. The color of the flag atop the Capitol Hill dome is irrelevant to the activity that takes place beneath it. To understand, remind yourself of: The 2017 Obamacare repeal vote, 2015 TPA and fast track approval, 2015 Corker-Cardin amendment for Obama’s Iran Deal, 2014 Gang-of-Eight amnesty bill, or more recently the 2022 unlimited Ukraine funding.

Under the Capitol Hill dome both Club wings of the UniParty apparatus feed the multinational corporate vulture, regardless of the color of the flag atop the spire.

The Republican Club has no interest in Ron DeSantis becoming President of the United States. The Republican Club has interest in Donald Trump NOT becoming President of the United States. Ron DeSantis is the foil, nothing more. It’s not about Ron DeSantis, it’s about the Club, the mechanism behind Ron DeSantis – the same mechanism that put $200 million into his campaign as enticement for his usefulness.



Florida Governor Ron DeSantis -vs- California Governor Gavin Newsom in 2024 is simply two clubs playing the illusion of choice game.

Ultimately, using history and modern politics as the perspective, if you really boil down the political sauce to its reduced state, what you find is with DeSantis the DNC Club needs less ballot collection to defeat him. However, that’s irrelevant to the intent of his usefulness for the GOP club.

For the professional GOP Club, as openly expressed by the establishment politicians within it, the donors behind it and the media who promote it, the goal is to remove the populism within it and bring back the multinational Club alignment with the corporations. That alignment was severely damaged by President Trump and the America First economic agenda.

The core of the Big Ugly battle is a Club motive based on money, power and boardroom affluence, in essence, GREED.

For ten plus years on these pages, I have written extensively about how there was always, always, going to be a point where the Big Ugly battle was going to have to be waged. We have waited and waited, looking at each moment, each conflict, each disparagement, each slight and snub, in hope the spark would ignite.

If the Big Ugly arrives in a contest between President Trump and Governor DeSantis, well, great; it needs to happen.

The bottom line is we need this Big Ugly fight. Not only does the future of the GOP reside in the outcome, the future of a constitutional republic free from corporatism is contingent upon it.

Yes, this fight is going to be big, and it’s going to be ugly… and in the aftermath, hopefully lots of free footballs.

Bring it!



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Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27594 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:31 pm to
No one’s reading all that.
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
16538 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:32 pm to
Lockheed Martin will not be happy about this post.
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:35 pm to
That’s why so many are ignorant
Posted by JoeHackett
Member since Aug 2016
5119 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

Bring it!



Trump didn't build a wall
Trump didn't fire Fauci
Trump didn't end birthright citizenship
Trump didn't deport illegal immigrants
Trump didn't take on the swamp
Trump didn't clean up the DOJ or FBI
Trump didn't declassify Russiagate documents
Trump didn't end our forever wars
Trump didn't spend four years solidifying our elections
Trump didn't pardon Assange

Trump did surround himself with GOPe, NeverTrumpers and Democrats
Trump did hand his administration to Kushner
Trump did let criminals out of prison
Trump did hire Wray

He was a failure that hasn't fought nearly as hard for you as you all are fighting for him.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
51059 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

No one’s reading all that.
quote:

ibldprplgld
Low information voter. Low-T, likely as well.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8680 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

No one’s reading all that.


Well, I did, and the OP had some great points.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30249 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:52 pm to
The most interesting thing with Desantis is how easy it has been for the Club to convince the Base that Desantis is another Trump-like politician. It's a classic case of look at what my right hand is doing, while the left hand does the dirty work.

It's truly hard to fathom the amount of people that are believing it right now.
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

The most interesting thing with Desantis is how easy it has been for the Club to convince the Base that Desantis is another Trump-like politician. It's a classic case of look at what my right hand is doing, while the left hand does the dirty work. It's truly hard to fathom the amount of people that are believing it right now.

They had me fooled! They blew their cover this week tho!
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 3:56 pm
Posted by AUHighPlainsDrifter
South Carolina
Member since Sep 2017
3219 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

The most interesting thing with Desantis is how easy it has been for the Club to convince the Base that Desantis is another Trump-like politician. It's a classic case of look at what my right hand is doing, while the left hand does the dirty work.


What does "Trump like" mean to you?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

The most interesting thing with Desantis is how easy it has been for the Club to convince the Base that Desantis is another Trump-like politician.


Because the club started in earnest of implementing this plan to use DeSantis as a wedge between MAGA and Trump, January of this year. It's new. Before January of the year DeSantis was on team MAGA full throttle.

He has been captured or it appears he has been captured. He has $200 million in his campaign coffers (because Florida does not have campaign contribution limits) from the likes of Ken Griffin. Can I blame him? Hard to say. It would be VERY difficult to turn down that kind of money.

My hope is DeSantis does not run in 2024 but runs in 2028. If he makes that decision look for the Club to draft Glenn Youngkin for 2024.
Posted by RonLaFlamme
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
1858 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

No one’s reading all that.


Just because you're lazy and have attention deficit disorder, doesn't mean everyone else is the same.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

What does "Trump like" mean to you?


I know you did not address this question to me but I want to answer.

If means a secure border, fair and sensible trade policies with no trade giveaways to China and noninterventionist foreign policy. Those three very simple things.

Everything else most GOPer agree. Like judges, tax policy, education, social issues, etc. It's the three issues I listed above that separate the club from MAGA.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18702 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:15 pm to
quote:

The most interesting thing with Desantis is how easy it has been for the Club to convince the Base that Desantis is another Trump-like politician


Trump convinced me that DeSantis is Trump-like politician when Trump endorsed DeSantis twice. Isn't that the point of an endorsement?
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37366 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:20 pm to
Just finished.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55451 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:26 pm to
History lesson.


Was a great read.
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

My hope is DeSantis does not run in 2024 but runs in 2028. If he makes that decision look for the Club to draft Glenn Youngkin for 2024.

Lake 2028
Posted by PrezCock
Florida
Member since Sep 2019
867 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:53 pm to
Trump didn't build a wall
It's a huge undertaking, it was BEING built

Trump didn't fire Fauci
Fauci was supposed to be an unbiased expert that was the head of his department for 40 years

Trump didn't end birthright citizenship
I didn't know the POTUS has the power to make and ratify a Constitutional Amendment all by himself

Trump didn't deport illegal immigrants
I'm pretty sure he did. He didn't get them all, but that is a MASSIVE undertaking.

Trump didn't take on the swamp
Sure. If he didn't take on the swamp, why were they so keen on trying to oust him?

Trump didn't clean up the DOJ or FBI
Again, huge undertaking. The swamp is large, he was trying.

Trump didn't declassify Russiagate documents
I'm pretty sure he did.

Trump didn't end our forever wars
He did. He ended the war in Afghanistan. The pullout was after he left office.

Trump didn't spend four years solidifying our elections
Elections are, for the most part, run and operated by the States. He doesn't really have control. But he did help DeSantis clean up Broward County.

Trump didn't pardon Assange
You are correct here.
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
26319 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:58 pm to
Both R’s and D’s are guilty of suppressing the constitutional rights and freedoms of the American people.

It’s amazing to me that some still cannot see this. To the point at which it has led me to believe they don’t want to see it. They’d rather Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World.

Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35606 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 5:08 pm to
You and your source are correct...however, I'm not convinced that Ron will play ball with them to the extent they think he will.

Ron will frick them all, right in the arse, and smile as he does it.

Having said that,

I am and will continue to support Trump, no matter how mean his fricking tweets are.
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