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Is Dale Brown considered an Elite coach?
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:19 pm
I say no. I know many of us on here are LSU homers but can we say with a straight face that he was a elite coach. Don't get me wrong, he was a good coach but with all the talent he had at LSU over the years, he never won it all. He had Shaq, Stanley Roberts and Chris Jackson on one team and won nothing. He could be more with less, was an awesome recruiter, and could fire up the fan base. However he was not an X's and O's guy. He did alot for LSU but if he had good coaching talent, he'd have won a NCAA title .
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Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:22 pm to BamaHater
+1
The thing is, he's everything we ask of our bball program. (a solid, consistent one)
The thing is, he's everything we ask of our bball program. (a solid, consistent one)
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:25 pm to BamaHater
i know dale brown thought he was an elite coach....my mother and i ran into him not to long after he stopped coaching at lsu and was suprised my mom didnt know who he was lol...never thought he was a elite coach, had all that talent and only a final four apperance to show and that wasnt even with his best team....much like our last coach who had tons of talent on ever team he coach and had a couple of good years......hopefully our new coach can turn arround our luck in the next couple of season
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:30 pm to lusfaninPA
Many of my friends from out of state love Dale Brown and definitely consider him an Elite coach. He has the numbers to back their views up.
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:31 pm to lusfaninPA
Not elite...was outcoached by mediocre coaches and he outcoached great ones.
Like John Cooper of Ohio State unable to tame Michigan, the same can be said for Dale and Nolan Richardson (ok, so Dale beat him in his final regular season game ever). I think had Dale beaten Arkansas more in the '92-'94 years, at at least, he might be elite. I think had he went on a mini-dynasty with the '90 team and kept them all together and actually COACH them, we'd be talking elite.
I love Dale to death and am grateful for all he did minus the '92 SEC Tourney fiasco. He was a notch below elite, I am afraid. A notch below Bob Knight, Rick Pitino, Coach K and John Thompson...2-3 notches below Dean Smith, John Wooden, and Rupp.
Like John Cooper of Ohio State unable to tame Michigan, the same can be said for Dale and Nolan Richardson (ok, so Dale beat him in his final regular season game ever). I think had Dale beaten Arkansas more in the '92-'94 years, at at least, he might be elite. I think had he went on a mini-dynasty with the '90 team and kept them all together and actually COACH them, we'd be talking elite.
I love Dale to death and am grateful for all he did minus the '92 SEC Tourney fiasco. He was a notch below elite, I am afraid. A notch below Bob Knight, Rick Pitino, Coach K and John Thompson...2-3 notches below Dean Smith, John Wooden, and Rupp.
This post was edited on 11/3/08 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:31 pm to lusfaninPA
People Dale Brown was an X and O coach.
Get a clue, 2nd all time winningest BB coach in SEC history and that wasn't against cup cakes. Every SEC coach from the mid 70's until he retire were very good.
Unlike football, the SEC from 1979-1992 there was no cup cake stops and free wins.
Check and see how many schools in that time frame had there best coaches ever and thats every school other than Kentucky and Florida.
Get a clue, 2nd all time winningest BB coach in SEC history and that wasn't against cup cakes. Every SEC coach from the mid 70's until he retire were very good.
Unlike football, the SEC from 1979-1992 there was no cup cake stops and free wins.
Check and see how many schools in that time frame had there best coaches ever and thats every school other than Kentucky and Florida.
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:32 pm to tigger1
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People Dale Brown was an X and O coach.
Completely FALSE.
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:33 pm to tigger1
quote:Purple and Gold Glasses
People Dale Brown was an X and O coach.
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:34 pm to tigger1
Dale Brown was a master motivator.
Elite coach, not so much
Elite coach, not so much
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:35 pm to Kajungee
There was a reason that Abernanthy, Carse, and Johnny Jones were called "the Brain Trust". Brown losing Abernanthy after the '89 season was harsh...could have used him with all of those young and talented oafs the following year.
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:35 pm to Kajungee
Dale Brown could motivate with the best but as far a coaching he was lacking in that department.
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:36 pm to PiscesTiger
Don't care what people say about Dale, he was a promoter/recruiter/coach. Not the best X-0 guy, but a motivator. The Pmac was full and Daddy Dale didn't shy away from the big game. LSU's non conference record now is a sham. It was exciting to watch LSU play basketball, and hell you always felt they would be in the tourney. Lose, yeah....but they got there quite a bit.,
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:37 pm to BamaHater
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Dale Brown could motivate with the best but as far a coaching he was lacking in that department.
Did the 1986 team belong in the Final four???? NO!! Dale motivated this team very well BUT also had to COACH this team to get there!!
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:38 pm to Aktig
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Don't care what people say about Dale, he was a promoter/recruiter/coach. Not the best X-0 guy, but a motivator. The Pmac was full and Daddy Dale didn't shy away from the big game. LSU's non conference record now is a sham. It was exciting to watch LSU play basketball, and hell you always felt they would be in the tourney. Lose, yeah....but they got there quite a bit
Much agreed.
The '89 Georgetown, '88 Oklahoma, '89-90 UNLV, and magical '86-87 tourney runs - to this day - magical beyond what is magical.
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:39 pm to Klaus
I always considered Dale Brown an elite type coach. He was one hell of a coach, and LSU was fortunate to have one like him.
When Shaq was here he was so frustrated by the referees that it finally wore on him. I believe it was what lead to his decision to step down.
When Shaq was here he was so frustrated by the referees that it finally wore on him. I believe it was what lead to his decision to step down.
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:39 pm to PiscesTiger
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Did the 1986 team belong in the Final four???? NO!! Dale motivated this team very well BUT also had to COACH this team to get there!!
So, by that logic, you're on the brady steamroller?
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:40 pm to themunch
quote:Or it could have been the NCAA on his back. He leaves and they lay the hammer down on our program.
When Shaq was here he was so frustrated by the referees that it finally wore on him. I believe it was what lead to his decision to step down.
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:41 pm to Klaus
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and only a final four apperance to show and that wasnt even with his best team.
Uh dude you might want to know a little about LSU basketball especially in the Dale Brown era before you make a statement that is incorrect. Dale Brown made two final four appearances not one and the first one was with the best team ever to play at LSU. The 80-81 team with Macklin, Mitchell,Carter, Cook, Martin, Sims and the rest were the first final four team under Dale Brown and unquestionably the best team in school history and the 85-86 team was the second with the 86-87 missing by a final shot and some Fess Irvin free throws. So that would be 2 final four appearances not one and only.
I would consider Dale on the cusp of the elite coaches or on the fringe. But one hell of a fine man
Rudy40
This post was edited on 11/3/08 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:43 pm to tigerbait2010
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So, by that logic, you're on the brady steamroller?
That year was beyond awesome. Underdog team rolling, cardiac games. The SEC tourney started and I had one friend and a dog at my house. By the time the final four came around, people who never watched B ball were over and somehow I had three dogs. Still can't figure it out. DB had his moments. Little coaching, lot of motivation. That team would run thru a glass window for Dale.
Posted on 11/3/08 at 6:43 pm to Aktig
I quess the next thing your going to tell us Brady was a X and O coach.
People you wanted to see Boyd (Miss St. coach) game of cut and slash and pass. That was the 1950's basketball game and today what is that offense the pros use?
Humm could it be the same game LSU used from the time Brown got there until he left, Yes the triangle swing offense (yes Tex came up with it and Brown used it long before Tex came as an Ast. Coach.)
Brown's defense is what has been missing for years, no coach in the nation had as many defense and defensive calls.
Brown only problem was the NCAA wanted to nail him bad, which they did to every coach that called them out.
People you wanted to see Boyd (Miss St. coach) game of cut and slash and pass. That was the 1950's basketball game and today what is that offense the pros use?
Humm could it be the same game LSU used from the time Brown got there until he left, Yes the triangle swing offense (yes Tex came up with it and Brown used it long before Tex came as an Ast. Coach.)
Brown's defense is what has been missing for years, no coach in the nation had as many defense and defensive calls.
Brown only problem was the NCAA wanted to nail him bad, which they did to every coach that called them out.
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