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Question for the offensive minded posters?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:44 am
Does a true running QB make this offense work?
I believe Jayden Daniels completely warped the running schemes for two years, and Sloan has been handicapped by linemen and receivers who have been developed in a system to stay on blocks but use the defenses aggression and let them pursue upfield.
This year, they have not been able to change that perspective and run behind an actual push.
Do we let Underwood become JD, or do we adapt to what Nuss needs for 1 season in 2025?
I believe Jayden Daniels completely warped the running schemes for two years, and Sloan has been handicapped by linemen and receivers who have been developed in a system to stay on blocks but use the defenses aggression and let them pursue upfield.
This year, they have not been able to change that perspective and run behind an actual push.
Do we let Underwood become JD, or do we adapt to what Nuss needs for 1 season in 2025?
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:47 am to Safety Blitz
100% yes. You can't run an RPO based offense with a quarterback who refuses to pull it. Nuss doesn't keep the defense honest. There's no threat of him pulling it. The ends crash everytime because they know Nuss won't pull it, and even if he does, he'll slide shortly after the keep.
I'm of the opinion the age of the pocket passer is behind us. You have to have a guy back there that can do it with his legs as well.
I'm of the opinion the age of the pocket passer is behind us. You have to have a guy back there that can do it with his legs as well.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:49 am to Safety Blitz
obviously if you have a true dual threat QB ghat give you a whole other element to the offense.
I dont think we need it but it absolutely would help.
I dont think we need it but it absolutely would help.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:50 am to SkoTigahsss
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100% yes. You can't run an RPO based offense with a quarterback who refuses to pull it.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:51 am to Safety Blitz
Absolutely. It makes the defense dedicate 1 player purely to make sure the QB doesn’t run and that takes them out of coverage. There’s a reason guys like JD and Lamar have so much success passing, and it’s because the defense is terrified of them pulling it down and going for 50+ yard runs
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:52 am to SkoTigahsss
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You can't run an RPO based offense with a quarterback who refuses to pull it.
Do not ask this board for offensive scheme advise because this board still doesn't know the difference between an RPO and a zone read.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:57 am to MasterAbe1
It’s not RPO it’s read option. LSU doesn’t run read option it runs RPO where QB has option to handoff to RB or pass. Read option QB has choice to handoff to RB or keep and run. Nuss is not running read option although it has been available many times. Just because he fake runs after handling off on RPO doesn’t mean he is running it. Now why they don’t run it occasionally is another question.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:58 am to classicgold
They all derive from the same scheme. The zone read and an RPO have the same base principles. I'm just answering OP's question. Yes, it matters
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:00 am to SkoTigahsss
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They all derive from the same scheme. The zone read and an RPO have the same base principles. I'm just answering OP's question. Yes, it matters
I mean they're both option plays but that's where the similarities end.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:02 am to SammyTiger
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obviously if you have a true dual threat QB ghat give you a whole other element to the offense.
I dont think we need it but it absolutely would help.
Absolutely, having a true dual threat gives a boost to any offense. Unfortunately, those guys are somewhat rare.
Give me a pocket passer any day over a runner who can't throw.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:02 am to Safety Blitz
A true running QB makes any modern offense work. Plugging a non-running QB into a zone read offense is cutting basically half the playbook.
BK and Sloan thought they could get away with not changing the offense for Nuss for a year or two and were gravely mistaken.
BK and Sloan thought they could get away with not changing the offense for Nuss for a year or two and were gravely mistaken.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:04 am to SidewalkTiger
Yeah, I just think the blocking scheme is completely different than what our guys are used to.
For two years our upperclassmen have been able to use the defenses aggression as a weapon and let JD find gaps. Now they are being asked to push and create….its completely different and seems to have them rattled.
For two years our upperclassmen have been able to use the defenses aggression as a weapon and let JD find gaps. Now they are being asked to push and create….its completely different and seems to have them rattled.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:05 am to The Pirate King
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A true running QB makes any modern offense work. Plugging a non-running QB into a zone read offense is cutting basically half the playbook.
BK and Sloan thought they could get away with not changing the offense for Nuss for a year or two and were gravely mistaken.
We don't run a freaking zone read offense people!
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:05 am to SkoTigahsss
An RPO involves reading a defender at the second level determining a quick pass or hand off. Wake Forest with Sam Hartman was an RPO based offense. LSU has never been RPO based. We ran it often in 2019, but it wasn't the base offense. There is 0 need for a running QB in an RPO based offense.
Last year the LSU run game was primarily based on the read option. You need a mobile Qb to be zone read based.
The only thing similar is that the QB makes a read. They are two different concepts.
Last year the LSU run game was primarily based on the read option. You need a mobile Qb to be zone read based.
The only thing similar is that the QB makes a read. They are two different concepts.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:06 am to The Pirate King
Correct, and I don’t think we can allow it for two years.
Here is hoping the best for Nuss. He has been true to LsU and has talent. Hoping these last few games we help him shine and play into the first round.
Then next year we can move forward and cheer for his NFL Career.
Here is hoping the best for Nuss. He has been true to LsU and has talent. Hoping these last few games we help him shine and play into the first round.
Then next year we can move forward and cheer for his NFL Career.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:07 am to Safety Blitz
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Yeah, I just think the blocking scheme is completely different than what our guys are used to.
For two years our upperclassmen have been able to use the defenses aggression as a weapon and let JD find gaps. Now they are being asked to push and create….its completely different and seems to have them rattled.
I'm somewhat worried about Brad Davis' approach to the run game. He's really only ever had one decent rushing offense in his DI career and that was 2018 Mizzou (outside of JD5 artificially inflating the numbers in 2022 and 2023).
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:10 am to SidewalkTiger
Even with JD it is concerning how we seemed to be 50/50 on fourth and one.
It’s tough when we can’t get a push, but we can’t argue that they haven’t been largely effective at pass blocking.
It’s tough when we can’t get a push, but we can’t argue that they haven’t been largely effective at pass blocking.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:10 am to SidewalkTiger
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We don't run a freaking zone read offense people!
Literally our entire offensive run-scheme is zone-read/RPO based. Without the threat of a QB run it just becomes a slow arse handoff going east and west way behind the line with no momentum forward from the running back.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:11 am to SammyTiger
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I dont think we need it but it absolutely would help.
so which is it? RPO or pocket passer? don't need but would help?
if it's obvious then would it not be the better scenario and absolutely needful?
it's absolutely obvious the team needs work in a number of areas, both offensively and defensively.
would you agree?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:14 am to Safety Blitz
I think you have to have a large sample size by which to judge a coach but at this point, he's been here 4 years and we haven't really been able to run effectively and consistently at any point during that time (outside of JD5).
Pair that with the fact that his rushing numbers aren't very good anywhere else, and that's concerning.
Will just have to trust BK's evaluation of what's going on though, I understand he was somewhat beholden to keep Davis when he was hired because Davis has Louisiana connections and we couldn't afford to risk losing Campbell and Jones.
Pair that with the fact that his rushing numbers aren't very good anywhere else, and that's concerning.
Will just have to trust BK's evaluation of what's going on though, I understand he was somewhat beholden to keep Davis when he was hired because Davis has Louisiana connections and we couldn't afford to risk losing Campbell and Jones.
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