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Texas Black Market Deer
Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:18 am
Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:18 am
“During a traffic stop outside Houston earlier this month, Texas game wardens caught two deer breeders trying to move captive whitetails illegally across the state. The men pleaded guilty, and they were convicted of more than 50 deer breeder violations for disobeying the state’s CWD rules and transporting unidentifiable “ghost deer,” which they planned to release “into the wild” on private property. All seven of the deer were euthanized by game wardens, according to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department.”
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:05 am to 257WBY
why'd they euthanize them? they could have hauled them to Kerr Wildlife where the state nuked the decades long breeding program because of the fascination with CWD.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:16 am to 257WBY
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CWD
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:28 am to 257WBY
Shut em down. Shut em all down.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:29 pm to geauxbrown
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Shut em down. Shut em all down.
Why? Shut them down because of CWD? Something that has been around for literally forever. What needs to be shut down is the bureaucratic power that imposes too much control and makes this an issue so the federal and state funds keep coming there way.
Do yourself a favor and sit down and read up on the research that Dr. Deer(James Kroll) has compiled on CWD.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 2:09 pm to Jack Daniel
Look at Colorado and Pennsylvania. CWD running amok out there. It killed all their deer. None left. We don’t want to be like them.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 2:36 pm to Squirrelmeister
Pennsylvania has no deer?
Lead poisoning kills wayyyyy more deer than CWD ever will
Lead poisoning kills wayyyyy more deer than CWD ever will
Posted on 3/4/25 at 2:39 pm to Jack Daniel
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Pennsylvania has no deer? Lead poisoning kills wayyyyy more deer than CWD ever will
Dry humor. Sorry.
Pennsylvania has more deer killed by motorists every year than the total population of deer in Louisiana.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 2:50 pm to mtb010
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Shut them down because of CWD?
I don’t believe CWD is a concern in our wild deer herd.
My issue with pen raised deer starts with the story in the OP. After that, I don’t believe in raising a deer, selling that deer, transporting that deer to another enclosure and allowing someone to pay to kill that deer.
The entire premise of “farming deer” behind a fence goes against every fiber I have in myself as a hunter.
It has helped foster and promote myths about ethical hunters. In fact, in Kentucky right now deer farmers are circulating false information about HB 700. In my professional life, I've seen pen raised deer used to make videos and sell merchandise for decades.
I just don’t personally believe in it.
This post was edited on 3/4/25 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 3/4/25 at 4:11 pm to mtb010
Dr Kroll makes alot of money off high fence deer.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 7:43 pm to geauxbrown
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I don’t believe in raising a deer, selling that deer, transporting that deer to another enclosure and allowing someone to pay to kill that deer.
Have that belief and stay true to your convictions, but why shut it down for others because it’s your belief system?
Posted on 3/4/25 at 9:13 pm to mtb010
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… it why shut it down….
Don’t worry, it won’t ever be shut down. There’s money to be made and state legislators for the most part simply have zero understanding of the stakes
80% of the non hunting public support ethical, fair chase hunting, while only 20% support high fence hunting.
The goal is to grow freakish antlers, the type that can’t be grown in the wild, and sale either the deer for hunting or sperm to other wanna be “growers”.
Deer farmers often state that they offer a service to hunters who don’t have the time to pursue deer in a fair chase setting. My answer to that is maybe those “hunters” should take up golf
The notion of shooting a buck, nurtured by human hands, then released into a small enclosure would embarrass ethical hunters.
Finally, as the OP pointed out, deer farmers have proven time and time again they can’t be trusted to follow the law. Throw in the fact that the vast majority of testing is voluntary and you have a recipe for disaster.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:33 am to geauxbrown
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Don’t worry, it won’t ever be shut down. There’s money to be made and state legislators for the most part simply have zero understanding of the stakes
80% of the non hunting public support ethical, fair chase hunting, while only 20% support high fence hunting.
The goal is to grow freakish antlers, the type that can’t be grown in the wild, and sale either the deer for hunting or sperm to other wanna be “growers”.
Deer farmers often state that they offer a service to hunters who don’t have the time to pursue deer in a fair chase setting. My answer to that is maybe those “hunters” should take up golf
The notion of shooting a buck, nurtured by human hands, then released into a small enclosure would embarrass ethical hunters.
Finally, as the OP pointed out, deer farmers have proven time and time again they can’t be trusted to follow the law. Throw in the fact that the vast majority of testing is voluntary and you have a recipe for disaster.
Genuine question, are you against high fence altogether or just the genetically freaky deer breeding programs?
I ask this because every scenario is different. My dad is 72 and and he and a group of his friends have started going every year to hunt a high fence ranch in the hill country of Texas. For them there is no trophy hunting and the majority of the hunting party shoots does and exotic does. At his age this scenario suits him and his friends better because he still enjoys being able to go out and see animals and have the chance of getting one, but doesn't have the physical health to do what is necessary on a hunting lease or his own property.
I went with them this past year and the particular ranch we hunted was 18,000 acres. There was no whitetail breeding program, in fact there was no breeding program for any animal on the ranch other then when it happened naturally. No outside genetics brought in for the whitetail, just the natural herd from the hill country.
Of course I wouldn't call it hunting, but I also wouldn't want to see those opportunities taken away from people like my dad and his friends.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:35 am to geauxbrown
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Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:13 am to mtb010
Your dad can still kill low fence deer in the hill country. Three year olds and ninety year olds can.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 11:01 am to mtb010
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Genuine question, are you against high fence altogether or just the genetically freaky deer breeding programs?
High fenced on an 18,000 acre property in my mind is a little different due the to size.
What I hate about Texas high fenced hunting is the electronic feeders so the deer are virtually programmed to show up.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 12:08 pm to 257WBY
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Your dad can still kill low fence deer in the hill country. Three year olds and ninety year olds can.
You have some low fenced land that he can hunt in the hill country? By all means I will bring him, otherwise don't be a dick.
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 3/5/25 at 12:13 pm to whodatigahbait
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What I hate about Texas high fenced hunting is the electronic feeders so the deer are virtually programmed to show up.
100% true. Like I said it's different scenarios for different people. When I mentioned previously about my dad's physical health I didn't give the details. He's 72 years old with 2 artificial hips. So, he can't get around much at all. These high fence hunts give him a chance to still go out and see animals without any physical limitations that would prevent him from doing so. This is why I don't want to see a complete ban on "deer" farming.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 12:30 pm to mtb010
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Genuine question, are you against high fence altogether or just the genetically freaky deer breeding programs?
I am
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I went with them this past year and the particular ranch we hunted was 18,000 acres. There was no whitetail breeding program, in fact there was no breeding program for any animal on the ranch other then when it happened naturally. No outside genetics brought in for the whitetail, just the natural herd from the hill country.
And here’s why. The ranch fenced in a public resource without compensation.
I am glad your dad found a way to get out and continue enjoying hunting with his physical limitations and I’m sure he’d be just as happy if the ranch was low fenced, so this isn’t a shot at either of you. Hunt how it makes you happy.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 5:57 pm to mtb010
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18,000 acres. No outside genetics.
Have zero problem with this scenario, and that has nothing to do with your Dad. I’m happy he can still enjoy hunting….which is what that is on 18,000 acres.
I guess when it comes to strictly hunting, I don’t believe in killing a deer that been nurtured by human hands. I suppose that’s my line in the sand
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