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Why y’all mad, Bros(ki)?

Posted on 7/7/25 at 6:48 am
Posted by DByrd2
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 6:48 am
Everyone, including myself, did a hefty amount of mouth-breathing last night during and after the match. That match thread is gonna be full of juicy receipts, regardless of what happens next summer.

I gotta say, though… Y’all can’t be talking out of both sides of your mouth.

1). We shouldn’t have even been in that match last night.

- None of us realistically (key word there) expected the U.S. to win that match, and after the friendlies leading up to the tourney not one of us was doubtless we’d make it out of the group.

Sure, the baseline USMNT expectation is to advance to the GC final, but not with this team. These players.

So you guys turn around and throw the baby away with the bath water and talk trash on the manager that got this squad to VERY CLEARLY come together and achieve more than any single person, pundit, or fan could have expected? Come on, you guys are better than that…

2). Pulisic vs. Poch?

- I don’t GAF who you are, unless your name is Messi/Ronaldo and you’re in your prime, you don’t have the autonomy to say “I only want to do part of this”. The manager is the one that runs shite, not the players. If the players want to dictate terms, they need to stop playing and be managers.

I get that it is controversial when your best player and manager are at odds, but this situation is a symptom of Gregg’s “besties and vibes” environment. God forbid someone with a sack come in and establish a baseline of expectations higher than that of his predecessor.

Weak arse mentality. “Oh I’m tired.”

frick you. Tell that to the players in Europe and SA. How many of them tried to get out of a major tourney? None.

Better yet, tell that to the fans that work 68-70 hrs a week and just want to have pride in their country on a regular basis, while your privileged arse gets to skip out on the biggest moments in part of what you consider your own “job”. I bet they wish they could cut work with a deadline down their neck like you did, Pulisic.

Most of y'all were just as “wtf” about the Pulisic situation as the rest of us. Don’t turn around and clap back at the man in charge just because he has a worker that fricked up. Let him handle it. The noise y'all are making is just mob mentality BS.

3). “Poch is an idiot with his tactics and lineups”

- Wow. We finally have teeth in attack, and you guys cry because we make mistakes in defense despite having a squad where two of our five best players in camp got injured and couldn’t play much (Wright and Cardoso).

Cardoso wasn’t playing well, but Wright had been. I’ll grant you that.

But holy hell, fellas… We had a bunch of guys that are in USL and MLS come in and play every game of the tourney. We would have KILLED for this offensive tactical approach and play when Gregg was manager, but now Poch does it and we don’t want to acknowledge the amount of work it took to get these kids to play the way they did and make it as far as they did? Piss off with that.

I wish we had kept Gregg now so that you turds could be watching us boot meaningless crosses all fricking match.

Poch had a base of Richards, Ream, and Adams on that squad. Not a single other player was a starter before this tourney and friendlies. Doesn’t matter who played well in the tourney. Hell, most of these guys wouldn’t even be part of the first 15 picked for the squad outside of the two that were mentioned above as injured and Tillman.

He took a raw, untested group as a whole and beat every one of our actual expectations, but he sucks and should be fired? That is, objectively, a stupid take.
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The common American fan is an idiot. “frick the manager, we have good players and don’t need him”… GTFOOH.

This isn’t the Dream Team like basketball had. Pulisic is the best we have ever had, no doubt. The collection of talent in our XI is the best we have ever had. Having identified that, none of them are legit world class talents. Not one.

So where do they get the free pass from?

Back the manager who knows wtf he is doing in terms of culture cultivation and setting expectations. Our XI will largely look the same as the last WC next summer, so all the teeth gnashing about players vs. manager is just useless noise… God forbid the players have to fricking work to prove they belong in the culture that the manager is building.

And on that note, what American manager knows what a winning national team culture is like? Don’t worry… I’ll wait.

But American managers would know about that better than a man that played for Argentina and won a Top 5 league championship, right? Y’all are wild, man.

Be better. Use your noodle. He isn’t going to axe Pulisic or any other starters that come in and work hard to be great with the team unless their mentality is shitty. Our normal starters got complacent under Gregg. You don’t get rid of that with a blank check mentality as a manager.

Come to work. Work hard. Have some pride and remember where you came from. Get paid. Get glory.

I’ll happily eat crow if we get grouped in the WC next summer. I think QF is floor for us if we have all starters available. Y’all doom and gloom dudes must have never been part of moving a team from a trash culture to a prideful and fighting culture.

Splash some cold water in your faces and watch what happens. Don't cry because results middle in the interim when you don’t even have your main players, playing in a tournament most of you mouth breathers have called insignificant, but then turn around and call for the manager’s head when it isn’t won outright despite the squad WAYYY outperforming expectations heading into this thing.

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TL;DR -

“People so stupid, people so dumb.” - Tom McDonald, noted Philosopher.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 11:51 am
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 6:57 am to
Good morning btw, baws.

Figured I’d get this place going this morning.
Posted by FWBTigah
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 7:15 am to
I feel Poch got everything out of this team he could.

There was just no threat whatsoever at striker.

All in all they hung with Mexico til the end where most gave them no shot.
Posted by Tigerstark
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 7:34 am to
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I feel Poch got everything out of this team he could.


Agreed. But he also created the team of C and even D players when there were B players available to be called i.

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There was just no threat whatsoever at striker.


While Wrights injury was big, Poch didnt call in several strikers that should have been part of this squad. That’s on him.


We are congratulating him for tying an arm behind his own back ahead of a fight and not getting killed. Yes there were some positives. Yes some team building needs to happen. But missed opportunity to get some guys who may actually play or start in a World Cup some competitive starts and to be part of the team building.
Posted by FWBTigah
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 7:46 am to
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Poch didnt call in several strikers that should have been part of this squad.


saying this without sarcasm.....

who should've been called in?
Posted by DByrd2
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Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 8:06 am to
Sargent, objectively... But we have seen that episode before.
Posted by Tigerstark
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 8:52 am to
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saying this without sarcasm..... who should've been called in?


When Balogun had to drop you have to call Sargent in.

If not Sargent you need some continuity and someone who has played that level other than wright.

Pefok? Ferreira? I could see not calling in Dike or Vazquez as they are similar to the other guys called in.
Posted by FWBTigah
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 8:53 am to
what's going on with Pepi? What injury does he have?
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:30 am to
Poch was hired September of 25, and got bounced from the Copa America in March of 25 with a good brunt of our A players. I'm starting to worry that his Euro methodology is not translating to American success. He seems to be shooting himself in the foot with player role selection, granted I don't know what internal pressures are driving that, if any. I do like the change in pace on the attack (for the most part).

Let's face it none of us have a choice but to see where we end up in the fall of 26. I remain cautiously optimistic.
Posted by DByrd2
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Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:03 am to
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Let's face it none of us have a choice but to see where we end up in the fall of 26. I remain cautiously optimistic.


Agree, and same. I am not thinking Poch is the savior of the USMNT... But I do want to give him the opportunity to be.

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Poch was hired September of 25, and got bounced from the Copa America in March of 25 with a good brunt of our A players.


Yeah, I can't fault a new manager coming in, unfamiliar with players and wanting to initiate change from day 1 like he did, and being immediately successful. That's like changing the coach of the Titans in the NFL mid-season and expecting a playoff run... Mediocre team at best, no coach is turning that around in one go.

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I'm starting to worry that his Euro methodology is not translating to American success.


I think it is far too early to have this feeling, and if that feeling persisted for me I would think it'd would be more on the federation than Poch for waiting too long to fire Gregg and hire a new manager.

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He seems to be shooting himself in the foot with player role selection, granted I don't know what internal pressures are driving that, if any. I do like the change in pace on the attack (for the most part).


Hard to say, imo. He definitely got creative, but I didn't see him doing much of the square peg/round hole type of things we have seen before. He took the players he had and played them to their strengths.

Take Arfsten and Freeman, for example... Arfsten was clearly not the best defensive LB on the roster, so in the tourney he played very high and worked on the wing to combine with Agyemang/Tillman/Luna. He was asked to create, and did a respectable job. Freeman was much better defensively, and only rarely was asked to step into the attack. He wasn't incredible in doing so, and rightly he played tucked way back for the most part.

We can argue how good Arfsten and Freeman are individually against whoever else was on the squad, but Poch clearly had a desired style of play and put players in position to achieve it. The end result was overall very positive in my eyes, especially from a growth perspective.

Am I pissed we lost to Mexico? Hell yeah. But the progress this very young squad made within a steady and consistent set of tactics to establish some form of identity in the tourney is highly encouraging to me.

The progress likely would have been the same with the starters all present and going through a tourney together. Building confidence in a style of play, building chemistry within the system, putting players in better positions to do what they do best... Without the craziness of the Club WC and the Puli/Poch "opt-out/block-out gate", our starting XI would have wiped the floor with that Mexico team.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:46 am to
Come on man! We should have won! We had our sort of A team out there because old man Tim Ream was playing! Get your head out of your arse!
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:54 am to
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Poch was hired September of 25, and got bounced from the Copa America in March of 25 with a good brunt of our A players


What? Obviously, you meant September of '24. And Copa America was in 2024, and Gregg was coaching. Is this some alternate universe?
Posted by DByrd2
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Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 11:48 am to
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What? Obviously, you meant September of '24.


Damn, I glossed over that and assumed Nations League this year was the topic.

Nice catch.
Posted by WhiteMandingo
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:15 pm to
It may have something to do with the finesse in Europe vs the cement blocks our players have for feet.
I watched Aaronson stan 25 yards from the box and just wait for a ball thet he could have got in stride and he just stood there and by the time it ricochet off his foot and has control the defender was on him.
We have speed we have athleticism
We play solid defense we have very low skill ball handlers.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:20 pm to
I see we’re moving the goalposts with Poch.


When we fired Gregg, everyone was saying he’s failing with a talented roster.

Now the excuse for Poch is that he’s doing the best with the hand he’s been dealt.


Nah man, the World Cup is less than a year away. The whole reason Poch was hired was to bring in someone with a pedigree to take us to the next level, not be happy with having a lead for a bit against Mexico.


So yeah, I’m mad that we’ve been sold a false bill of goods with Pich.


We’ve gotten objectively worse in every facet under him.
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:31 pm to
No I meant Poch coached in March of 25 but was hired September of 25. He used his magic European time machine.

It was a typo bro. Meant nations League as well. That what I get for posting mid meeting.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 1:35 pm
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:53 pm to
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It was a typo bro. Meant nations League as well. That what I get for posting mid meeting.




No worries baw.
Posted by lagniappe09
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:58 pm to
When they play Mexico South of TN - almost always lose.
I called it last night watching the match on Delta flight back to NOLA.

And yes - lucky to only lose 2-1


Looking forward to seeing full squad together


Posted by SUB
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 2:04 pm to
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Now the excuse for Poch is that he’s doing the best with the hand he’s been dealt.


His "hand", IMO, is the shitty culture, habits, and everything about the USSF, not the players' individual talent.

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Nah man, the World Cup is less than a year away. The whole reason Poch was hired was to bring in someone with a pedigree to take us to the next level, not be happy with having a lead for a bit against Mexico.


So yeah, I’m mad that we’ve been sold a false bill of goods with Pich.


We’ve gotten objectively worse in every facet under him.


Poch hasn't even been here a year. He's not even going to have 2 full years to develop the team he wants for the World Cup, and that's because our dumbass federation kept Gregg for so long, even when they had an easy button to not renew his contract. I wasn't expecting any hire to have this team ready for 2026 in that short amount of time, so unfortunately, I don't have high hopes for the World Cup. But he is who we've got and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until I see how the team is playing closer to and during the World Cup. That doesn't mean I disagree with his decisions, but like I said, I'll reserve judgment. I expect there to be some pain early into his tenure. Let's hope that the pain is nearly done and they we see positive improvement from hear on out. Unfortunately, there aren't many great opportunities to test this team before the World Cup, again, much ado to our shitty federation waiting so long to get us a real coach before hosting a World Cup. It's such a shame that a generational talent like Pulisic will essentially be wasted for US Soccer:

2018 - Did not qualify for world cup - Pulisic misses his first WC
2022 - Stuck with a shitty coach but had a squad capable of at least making it to the quarters, but we get trounced in the knockout round.
2026 - We are hosting the WC with a coach given barely any time to have the team ready and playing his style of soccer
2030 - If Poch does well and the team finally starts performing, Pulisic will be 32 years old.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 2:13 pm
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 2:14 pm to
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When we fired Gregg, everyone was saying he’s failing with a talented roster.


Potential XI for Gregg in Copa America: Turner; Scally, Richards, Ream, A. Robinson; Adams, McKennie, Reyna; Weah, Balogun, Pulisic.

Abject failure, grouped.

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Now the excuse for Poch is that he’s doing the best with the hand he’s been dealt.


Potential XI for Poch in Nations League: Turner; Richards, Adams, Musah, McKennie, Sargent, Pulisic, Tessmann, Ream, Scally, Weah

Advanced to Semi-Final, lost to Panama on a 90' + 4 goal. (He played youth-heavy in 3rd place match loss to Canada. What else are third place matches for?)

No Balogun or Jedi for Poch (got a stinker from Sargent). No time to introduce new system before tourney.

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Nah man, the World Cup is less than a year away. The whole reason Poch was hired was to bring in someone with a pedigree to take us to the next level,


Maybe give him the time to do that...? Seriously, he didn't even get significant time with that Nations League squad to build anything he wanted. You can't just walk in and tell our players "go do this" and have them execute at a high level. It takes time to learn a system. What we saw in Nations League was a team that was decidedly in a transition period with no installed system... And they still made the Semis.

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not be happy with having a lead for a bit against Mexico.


Nobody is happy with that. We are just sane enough to see the positives in THIS selection of players being able to do so and hold off well until late in the game when they finally caved.

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So yeah, I’m mad that we’ve been sold a false bill of goods with Pich.


Maybe you bought something different than you were being pitched.

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We’ve gotten objectively worse in every facet under him.


Laughable. The starters have had no camps with him, the youth camp that was the GC WAY over-performed their talent levels.

Is the situation for the USMNT overall more dire than it was when he was initially hired? Yeah, sure. The timing blows. We knew that was the case when he came in.

Club WC and a knucklehead player screwed that up even more since those normal starting players weren't in this camp for those reasons.

The rest is just noise.

The friendlies in September will be important. I doubt we see a "B" lineup from either Korea or Japan at all. They are going to want to see if they can still beat us (Japan), and Korea will want to measure up to that as Asian rivals.

Not sure if there are other friendlies in the works, those are the two fresh off the top of my head. Point is, it took Poch 6 weeks to get a young arse squad to play pretty cohesively to their strengths. It wasn't perfect, but they outdid themselves for sure. Credit to them.

The normal starters SHOULD be able to pick up that type of stuff faster, if they are indeed that good in the first place. Character will or won't show for some of these guys. Hopefully it DOES for all of them.
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