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WC Group C: USA, England, Algeria, Slovenia (groups in OP)
Posted on 12/2/09 at 2:27 am
Posted on 12/2/09 at 2:27 am
Post your thoughts and what not here, and thanks to the wonderful admins, we won't have to continue to bump the thread.
As the teams are drawn, I will update the groups here in the first post.
Keep in mind, no two teams from the same confederation (less a maximum of two European teams in 5 of 8 groups) can be drawn into the same group.
TV: ESPN2, Friday, 11 a.m. CST
INFO: FIFA approves draw procedure
Group A: South Africa, Mexico, Uruguay, France
Group B: Argentina, Nigeria, South Korea, Greece
Group C: England, USA, Algeria, Slovenia
Group D: Germany, Australia, Serbia, Ghana
Group E: Netherlands, Denmark, Japan, Cameroon
Group F: Italy, Paraguay, New Zealand, Slovakia
Group G: Brazil, North Korea, Côte d'Ivoire, Portugal
Group H: Spain, Switzerland, Honduras, Chile
As the teams are drawn, I will update the groups here in the first post.
Keep in mind, no two teams from the same confederation (less a maximum of two European teams in 5 of 8 groups) can be drawn into the same group.
TV: ESPN2, Friday, 11 a.m. CST
INFO: FIFA approves draw procedure
Group A: South Africa, Mexico, Uruguay, France
Group B: Argentina, Nigeria, South Korea, Greece
Group C: England, USA, Algeria, Slovenia
Group D: Germany, Australia, Serbia, Ghana
Group E: Netherlands, Denmark, Japan, Cameroon
Group F: Italy, Paraguay, New Zealand, Slovakia
Group G: Brazil, North Korea, Côte d'Ivoire, Portugal
Group H: Spain, Switzerland, Honduras, Chile
This post was edited on 12/4/09 at 12:38 pm
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Posted on 12/2/09 at 2:31 am to BraveTiger225
I'll begin the discussion. FIFA is having their major meeting today to do several things:
1) Finalize the pots and draw procedure
2) Discuss the incidents in the France-Ireland playoff
3) Discuss the violence between Algeria and Egypt
I'm pretty much going to out on a limb and say nothing at all positive is going to come out of this meeting. Any meeting led by Sepp Blatter and Jack Warner is destined to be a failure.
1) Finalize the pots and draw procedure
2) Discuss the incidents in the France-Ireland playoff
3) Discuss the violence between Algeria and Egypt
I'm pretty much going to out on a limb and say nothing at all positive is going to come out of this meeting. Any meeting led by Sepp Blatter and Jack Warner is destined to be a failure.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 2:43 am to BraveTiger225
Just did my own random draw for kicks...
Group A: South Africa, Slovakia, Ivory Coast, Honduras
Group B: Germany, Greece, Algeria, Mexico
Group C: Italy, Denmark, Paraguay, North Korea
Group D: Argentina, Serbia, Nigeria, Australia
Group E: France, Portugal, Chile, South Korea
Group F: Brazil, Netherlands, Ghana, New Zealand
Group G: Spain, Switzerland, Cameroon, Japan
Group H: England, Slovenia, Uruguay, USA
Since USA and New Zealand are in the same pot, you could essentially swap them here with the USA facing some group like the Group F of Brazil, Netherlands and Ghana
Group A: South Africa, Slovakia, Ivory Coast, Honduras
Group B: Germany, Greece, Algeria, Mexico
Group C: Italy, Denmark, Paraguay, North Korea
Group D: Argentina, Serbia, Nigeria, Australia
Group E: France, Portugal, Chile, South Korea
Group F: Brazil, Netherlands, Ghana, New Zealand
Group G: Spain, Switzerland, Cameroon, Japan
Group H: England, Slovenia, Uruguay, USA
Since USA and New Zealand are in the same pot, you could essentially swap them here with the USA facing some group like the Group F of Brazil, Netherlands and Ghana
Posted on 12/2/09 at 2:49 am to BraveTiger225
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I'm pretty much going to out on a limb and say nothing at all positive is going to come out of this meeting. Any meeting led by Sepp Blatter and Jack Warner is destined to be a failure.
Yeah I'd say that's pretty much spot on.
Aren't these the same assholes that decided to allow the Vuvuzelas in the stadiums next summer? I'm so pissed I will have to listen to that damned buzzing sound for a month straight
Posted on 12/2/09 at 8:28 am to Feed Me Popeyes
This from EPL Talk
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As I’m sure you’ve heard by now, England are to be one of eight seeded teams to compete in the World Cup Finals next summer in South Africa. Italy, Holland, Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Spain and South Africa round out the other seeded nations. France miss out on a seed due to FIFA’s decision to not take into consideration performances in past Finals. For those who forgot, France finished runner-up in the 2006 World Cup Final losing to Italy on penalties.
FIFA chose the seeds based on their October 2009 world rankings. If the rankings from November, 2009 would have been used, (when England was ranked 9th) France would have found themselves with a seed based on their 7th place world ranking. FIFA’s general secretary Jerome Valcke said it was easier to use October to base the seeds on becuase all European teams played the same number of competitive matches. (Did FIFA put France in the general pot as a sort of retro-active punishment?)
Regardless of France, England’s Fabio Capello will be pleased to see the news of a seed. The draw itself consists of eight groups of four teams – each group will contain one country from each pot. You may be asking “what really does this mean for England?” – and it could mean a number of things. Ultimately, it could lead to an easier road to the coveted last 16 knock-out stages. The seed also means England are guaranteed to avoid the other top seeds in the World Cup group stages.
England could be drawn in a group with North Korea, Algeria and Slovenia. They could also have a group the likes of USA, Ivory Coast and Portugal. Supporters of the Three Lions will have to wait until Friday’s draw to find out exactly who they’ll be playing in the group stages. Here’s how the rest of the pots look:
* Pot 2 – Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico, USA and Honduras.
* Pot 3 - Ivory Coast, Ghana, Cameroon, Nigeria, Algeria, Paraguay, Chile and Uruguay.
* Pot 4 – France, Portugal, Slovenia, Switzerland, Greece, Serbia, Denmark and Slovakia.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 8:54 am to RedPop4
Whatever happens, the US is almost guaranteed NOT to have a draw that look anything like the current world rankings. They SHOULD be a "2" seed in their group, with one top-8 team, another in the Top 32, and one outside of that. Thanks to the ridiculous "pot" system, they could draw as many as 2 teams in the Top 10, and another in the Top 20.
I'm not a fan of the draw process. Someone always gets screwed, and there's always a "cupcake" group that gets a free pass to the round of 16. But I'm betting that the South Africa-North Korea-Slovenia group won't be our's.
I'm not a fan of the draw process. Someone always gets screwed, and there's always a "cupcake" group that gets a free pass to the round of 16. But I'm betting that the South Africa-North Korea-Slovenia group won't be our's.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 9:08 am to RockChalkTiger
I don't get how the US are in the weakest pot, either.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 9:15 am to BraveTiger225
Running through a few randomized draws, it seems like there could be less balance in more of the groups than what I usually perceive. There should be an easier path for some of the traditional powers than usual.
That being said, upsets happen in the World Cup finals. Can't wait for the draw, and then the long wait to follow (and hopefully let the USMNT heal up and solidify some... otherwise it's going to be 2006 all over again).
That being said, upsets happen in the World Cup finals. Can't wait for the draw, and then the long wait to follow (and hopefully let the USMNT heal up and solidify some... otherwise it's going to be 2006 all over again).
Posted on 12/2/09 at 9:42 am to CrazyTigerFan
Posted on 12/2/09 at 9:55 am to CrazyTigerFan
Just for grins, here's what a fairly seeded draw based on the current world rankings might look like (but we all know FIFA isn't about fair play)
Group A: 1) Spain 18) Swiss 19) Uruguay 86) S. Africa
Group B: 2) Brazil 16) Ivory Coast 20) Serbia 84) N. Korea
Group C: 3) Dutch 17) Chile 21) Australia 77) New Zealand
Group D: 4) Italy 15) Mexico 22) Nigeria 52) S. Korea
Group E: 5) Portugal 14) USA 26) Denmark 43) Japan
Group F: 6) Germany 12) Greece 28) Algeria 38) Honduras
Group G: 7) France 11) Cameroon 30) Paraguay 34) Slovakia
Group H: 8) Argentina 9) England 33) Slovenia 37) Ghana
Only changes were to swap Slovakia and Ghana (to keep 3 UEFA teams out of Group H and 2 CAF teams out of Group G) and Chile and Ivory Coast, to keep 2 COMNEBOL teams out of Group B. I realize Australia and New Zealand are in the same group, but technically they are in different confederataions.
Let's see how far the actual draw is from this.
Group A: 1) Spain 18) Swiss 19) Uruguay 86) S. Africa
Group B: 2) Brazil 16) Ivory Coast 20) Serbia 84) N. Korea
Group C: 3) Dutch 17) Chile 21) Australia 77) New Zealand
Group D: 4) Italy 15) Mexico 22) Nigeria 52) S. Korea
Group E: 5) Portugal 14) USA 26) Denmark 43) Japan
Group F: 6) Germany 12) Greece 28) Algeria 38) Honduras
Group G: 7) France 11) Cameroon 30) Paraguay 34) Slovakia
Group H: 8) Argentina 9) England 33) Slovenia 37) Ghana
Only changes were to swap Slovakia and Ghana (to keep 3 UEFA teams out of Group H and 2 CAF teams out of Group G) and Chile and Ivory Coast, to keep 2 COMNEBOL teams out of Group B. I realize Australia and New Zealand are in the same group, but technically they are in different confederataions.
Let's see how far the actual draw is from this.
This post was edited on 12/2/09 at 9:56 am
Posted on 12/2/09 at 10:07 am to RockChalkTiger
some isht from Grant Wahl's twitter:
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For first time FIFA awards top World Cup seeds based solely on current FIFA rankings. Bruce Arena wishes that had been the case 4 years ago.
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Worst-case WC draw scenario for US: Brazil, France, Ivory Coast. Best: South Africa, Greece, Uruguay. #USMNT
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FIFA says CONCACAF in same World Cup draw pot as Asia/NZ. Increases chances US will be drawn into Group of Death on Friday.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 10:07 am to RockChalkTiger
FIFA has always been concerned with protecting the integrity of the game, which means giving the nod to Europe at all times. Brazil and Argentina, too, but they usually end up in the top pot, so it's not a big deal.
The pots are confederation-based, rather than ranking- or seeding-based, and I don't expect anything else from FIFA, really. It's a joke of an organization.
The pots are confederation-based, rather than ranking- or seeding-based, and I don't expect anything else from FIFA, really. It's a joke of an organization.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 10:09 am to RockChalkTiger
I would just like to say, giving England a seed is completely absurd. What have they won in the past five decades? They usually don't even have a good showing in the Euro or World Cups. As much as I loathe France, they completely deserve a seed over the English.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 10:11 am to BraveTiger225
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Here are the four pots, of which one team from each will be drawn to make up the eight World Cup groups:
POT 1- Brazil, Spain, Argentina, Netherlands, England, Italy, Germany, South Africa
POT 2- USA, Mexico, Honduras, South Korea, North Korea, Japan, Australia, New Zealand
POT 3- Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Cameroon, Nigeria, Algeria
POT 4- France, Portugal, Denmark, Slovenia, Greece, Slovakia, Serbia, Switzerland
The draw will take place on Friday afternoon in South Africa. What's the SBI take on the pots? They are the pots we were expecting, with the lone difference being the Dutch bumping France out of the seeded pot.
It was probably wishful thinking to believe that CONCACAF could be grouped with South America or Africa, and now it will be up to the luck of the draw for the Americans to avoid a truly brutal World Cup group.
What do you think of the pots? Disappointed the United States couldn't be grouped with Africa or South America? Happy to see the French dropped into the European pot? Praying the USA can avoid a Group of Death?
Soccer by Ives take on the pot selection.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 10:12 am to Baloo
Unfortunately the seeding formula they use also includes world rankings, which they've boosted over the last couple of years with a ton of friendly wins since Capello's arrival. They made the formula more short-sighted the last time around (going over three years instead of five), and I think that was for the best.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 10:14 am to Baloo
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I would just like to say, giving England a seed is completely absurd. What have they won in the past five decades? They usually don't even have a good showing in the Euro or World Cups. As much as I loathe France, they completely deserve a seed over the English.
I disagree here; I think the seeds should be determined by current form (i.e. the years in between World Cups). The way their doing it is equivalent to giving UCLA a #1 seed in the NCAA Tourney because they've been to the Final 4 several times in years past.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 10:19 am to thenry712
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ussoccer Soccer House Mock Draw Results - Group H: Italy, Uruguay, Greece, USA
Posted on 12/2/09 at 10:23 am to thenry712
Well, if FIFA rankings in any way resembled reality, I’d be okay with it. If England is a top 8 team, what major tournaments have they won? Yeah, they crushed their qualifying group, but history demonstrates that great qualifying has no bearing on actual Cup success. I’m just really skeptical of the routine English hype every four years.
On another topic, I still maintain Africa is grossly overrated and I’d rather be in a pot with Asia than Africa. I just think Asia is a stronger region, looking at actual performance, not star power. But I wish we were in a pot with South America. The numbers don’t work because of Brazil/Argentina, but I would like to see the Western Hemisphere teams treated as one group. I tend to root for our region in the World Cup (except Argentina and Mexico).
On another topic, I still maintain Africa is grossly overrated and I’d rather be in a pot with Asia than Africa. I just think Asia is a stronger region, looking at actual performance, not star power. But I wish we were in a pot with South America. The numbers don’t work because of Brazil/Argentina, but I would like to see the Western Hemisphere teams treated as one group. I tend to root for our region in the World Cup (except Argentina and Mexico).
Posted on 12/2/09 at 10:28 am to Baloo
I disagree on Africa being overrated. Ghana and the Ivory Coast are LOADED this time, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Ghana in the last match. Nigeria and Cameroon are back after missing in 2006 to provide more fire power. If Egypt had made it, it would have been every major African power.
These guys are legit, but I do think people are making waaaay too much about the tournament being in Africa. I'm curious how much support the South Africans will give those other nations as time goes along in the tournament.
These guys are legit, but I do think people are making waaaay too much about the tournament being in Africa. I'm curious how much support the South Africans will give those other nations as time goes along in the tournament.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 10:29 am to Baloo
"As much as I loathe France, they completely deserve a seed over the English"
england dominated their group, france finished 2nd in theirs
england dominated their group, france finished 2nd in theirs
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