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Anyone care to explain how the Russians interfered in our election?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:42 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:42 am
I keep hearing the press lying with "the Russians hacked our election". That is a lie.
The FBI and NSA heads have stated under oath that no votes were changed, no machines hacked or tampered with. Nothing.
John Podesta's e mails were released, along with some from DNC. Wikileaks said the Russians were not the source and I have seen nothing that proves that they were other than suspicion and supposition. Not to mention the e mails were authentic and not doctored or altered. Is THIS what they claim changed the election results? bullshite.
I doubt that changed a single vote, or worst case not very many. The country is sharply divided as it is and each side was pretty much locked in. The true blame lies in the I got this one in the bag attitude of the MSM and the Clinton campaign. They know how to choke one away that is for sure and they now have a proven track record of it.
To those screaming collusion, what were they colluding about? No votes were changed. No evidence of money changing hands or vote fraud initiated by any Russians. So just HOW did they steal this election?
All this is is a relentless smear and delegitimization campaign that smacks of near treason to me. Party above country.
Democrat Uber Alles.
The FBI and NSA heads have stated under oath that no votes were changed, no machines hacked or tampered with. Nothing.
John Podesta's e mails were released, along with some from DNC. Wikileaks said the Russians were not the source and I have seen nothing that proves that they were other than suspicion and supposition. Not to mention the e mails were authentic and not doctored or altered. Is THIS what they claim changed the election results? bullshite.
I doubt that changed a single vote, or worst case not very many. The country is sharply divided as it is and each side was pretty much locked in. The true blame lies in the I got this one in the bag attitude of the MSM and the Clinton campaign. They know how to choke one away that is for sure and they now have a proven track record of it.
To those screaming collusion, what were they colluding about? No votes were changed. No evidence of money changing hands or vote fraud initiated by any Russians. So just HOW did they steal this election?
All this is is a relentless smear and delegitimization campaign that smacks of near treason to me. Party above country.
Democrat Uber Alles.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 7:43 am
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:44 am to antibarner
About time someone asked this question.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:44 am to PsychTiger
It has cried out to be asked. Hell if the Russians DID release the E mails it certainly is no worse than the weekly gotcha campaign waged by the MSM against Trump.
Small potatoes.
Small potatoes.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 7:46 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:45 am to antibarner
You didn't notice the FSB operative standing in the voting booth with you on November 8 either?
Damn...they're good.
Damn...they're good.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:47 am to antibarner
Putin showed that Obama was impotent internationally, and Hillary was his number one enabler while running state.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:48 am to Gaspergou202
He sure as hell didn't buy ads on US TV did he? LOL
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:48 am to Gaspergou202
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Anyone care to explain how the Russians interfered in our election?
That's the FBI's job and you will get evidence when the investigation is over.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:49 am to antibarner
Cats steal elections and your breath at night while you sleep
Russian cats always interfering!
Russian cats always interfering!
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:51 am to BestBanker
We need more dogs in polling places. For 'Merica!
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:51 am to boogiewoogie1978
I'd love to ask Comey to his face how they did it. Or one of these smug people like Madcow. They wouldn't be able to do it.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 7:52 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:51 am to antibarner
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Anyone care to explain how the Russians interfered in our election?
By blurring the lines between information and misinformation.
However, they've been doing it for about a century...so it's only a big deal now because the democrats are making it so AND the fact that this info-warfare campaign is easier in the internet age.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:54 am to Eli Goldfinger
Care to explain that? Can you prove there was any misinformation released by them? The Wikileaks releases were not altered, they were fact. And you can't even prove that the Vladimirs had anything to do with it.
Try again.
Try again.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 7:55 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:54 am to antibarner
They "influenced" the outcome of our election - which apparently isn't allowed.
Nevermind the fact that trans national media corporations, SuperPacs, prominent Youtubers (many from outside the USA), foreign billionaires, and other entities make incessant attempts to influence thought and political opinions in this country.
What I find amusing is that the MSM tried so very hard to downplay the significance of the DNC leak - we were told there was "nothing there", and they therefore devoted very little coverage to the actual leaks.
Immediately following the election, however, we were suddenly told that the DNC leaks had a major outcome on the election and were the primary reason why Trump was elected.
Nevermind the fact that trans national media corporations, SuperPacs, prominent Youtubers (many from outside the USA), foreign billionaires, and other entities make incessant attempts to influence thought and political opinions in this country.
What I find amusing is that the MSM tried so very hard to downplay the significance of the DNC leak - we were told there was "nothing there", and they therefore devoted very little coverage to the actual leaks.
Immediately following the election, however, we were suddenly told that the DNC leaks had a major outcome on the election and were the primary reason why Trump was elected.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 7:56 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:55 am to antibarner
This is the question the "Trump colluded with Russians" narrative has been put forth (and focused on) to avoid.
I don't mind an investigation into Trump and his allies and possible Russian connections if that's where the evidence leads, but at the same time such an investigation worries me as it would be used to overshadow the DNC election-rigging.
What an investigation like that is akin to is killing the messenger in order to avoid the message. Focusing on it (which is what is going on) is to quite literally say "the act of exposing election-rigging is more detrimental to the democratic process than the actual election-rigging."
I don't mind an investigation into Trump and his allies and possible Russian connections if that's where the evidence leads, but at the same time such an investigation worries me as it would be used to overshadow the DNC election-rigging.
What an investigation like that is akin to is killing the messenger in order to avoid the message. Focusing on it (which is what is going on) is to quite literally say "the act of exposing election-rigging is more detrimental to the democratic process than the actual election-rigging."
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:55 am to Bard
Explain how the election was allegedly rigged. You can't.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 8:04 am to antibarner
The strategically timed releases of stolen emails, the fact that they also stole Republican emails but decided never to release them, and the misleading, exaggerated, and often dishonest spin on the releases pushed by wikileaks and Russian media all prove that there was an intentional, concerted effort to manufacture outrage and anger against the Clinton campaign in order to influence the outcome of the election. That should be concerning to anyone that values democracy.
Given the razor thin margin Trump won some key states by, it's not unreasonable to think it might have changed the outcome of the election. But even just the fact that the effort existed and Trump, even after being briefed on it, continued to publicly deny it thereby giving the Russians cover to continue, is still a major slap in the face to the American people even if it didn't change the result.
Given the razor thin margin Trump won some key states by, it's not unreasonable to think it might have changed the outcome of the election. But even just the fact that the effort existed and Trump, even after being briefed on it, continued to publicly deny it thereby giving the Russians cover to continue, is still a major slap in the face to the American people even if it didn't change the result.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 8:05 am to antibarner
Posted on 3/30/17 at 8:06 am to boogiewoogie1978
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and you will get evidence when the investigation is over.
No you won't. You will get words and that's all.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 8:08 am to antibarner
quote:
Anyone care to explain how the Russians interfered in our election?
How?? How the Russians hacked the election??
You're literally Hitler, thats how.
Nazi
Posted on 3/30/17 at 8:12 am to antibarner
One of the gang of eight members said that Russia used sophisticated internet trolls that would flood peoples facebook fees and political chatrooms with "fake news". He went on to give an example of this fake news as Hillary receiving money from foreign governments 
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