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Loris Karius was concussed during the CL final
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:39 pm
This per a medical evaluation by one of the world's leading concussion experts.
Karius got concussed when he took a shoulder or elbow from none other than Sergio Ramos. This injury occurred two minutes before the Benzema goal.
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There was never a stoppage in play for a head injury assessment, as is mandated by FIFA protocols now. This is on the ref, but it also doesn't appear that Karius asked for medical attention.
Statement regarding Loris Karius From Dr. Ross Zafonte and Lenore Herget, PT, DPT:
LINK
The last line is classic doctor hedging. If you get concussed, you absolutely have immediate decline in your movement and visual processing, and these things can take weeks to resolve (sometimes longer, depending on circumstance). The evaluation for a concussion involves a battery of tests (physical exams), and one of the newest to emerge is the VOMS, or vestibular/ocular-motor screening. In addition to memory, mood, sleep, cognition, etc., concussions also greatly affect your visual/spatial awareness and coordination.
TLDR: Karius should have been assessed by a team physician after the blow from Ramos, and likely would not have played the rest of the game if the signs of a concussion had been noted.
Karius got concussed when he took a shoulder or elbow from none other than Sergio Ramos. This injury occurred two minutes before the Benzema goal.
LINK
There was never a stoppage in play for a head injury assessment, as is mandated by FIFA protocols now. This is on the ref, but it also doesn't appear that Karius asked for medical attention.
Statement regarding Loris Karius From Dr. Ross Zafonte and Lenore Herget, PT, DPT:
LINK
quote:
At the time of our evaluation, Mr. Karius’s principal residual symptoms and objective signs suggested that visual spatial dysfunction existed and likely occurred immediately following the event. Additional symptomatic and objectively noted areas of dysfunction also persisted. It could be possible that such deficits would affect performance.
The last line is classic doctor hedging. If you get concussed, you absolutely have immediate decline in your movement and visual processing, and these things can take weeks to resolve (sometimes longer, depending on circumstance). The evaluation for a concussion involves a battery of tests (physical exams), and one of the newest to emerge is the VOMS, or vestibular/ocular-motor screening. In addition to memory, mood, sleep, cognition, etc., concussions also greatly affect your visual/spatial awareness and coordination.
TLDR: Karius should have been assessed by a team physician after the blow from Ramos, and likely would not have played the rest of the game if the signs of a concussion had been noted.
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:43 pm to cwil177
I wonder how much Karius paid this doc for this conclusion.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:47 pm to theOG
I'm not sure I've ever seen a loss handled so poorly
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:55 pm to cwil177
If he was dizzy he should have asked for medical attention. He has no one to blame but himself. If I were a Liverpool fan I would be more pissed at him if he was dizzy and couldn't see clearly but didn't ask to get checked out by a doctor.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:55 pm to cwil177
Maybe VVD should not have pushed Ramos into Karius
Sucks he got a concussion
But Madrid were the better team
Sucks he got a concussion
But Madrid were the better team
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:56 pm to Pettifogger
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I'm not sure I've ever seen a loss handled so poorly
It’s never their fault
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:57 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Maybe VVD should not have pushed Ramos into Karius
I shouldn’t be shocked, but I was when I saw all the people saying Ramos did it on purpose.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:59 pm to McCaigBro69
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I shouldn’t be shocked, but I was when I saw all the people saying Ramos did it on purpose.
Their thread is so far removed from reality
Posted on 6/4/18 at 5:02 pm to McCaigBro69
I think Ramos did it on purpose.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 5:06 pm to bbap
He was pushed into him
He was not retrospectively banned because video evidence showed he was pushed.
None of this happens if he isn’t pushed into the GK
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 5:12 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I never said he wasn't pushed.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 5:37 pm to lionward2014
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If he was dizzy he should have asked for medical attention. He has no one to blame but himself.
You're asking someone who just sustained brain trauma to make a logical decision. Good luck with that. Did you say the same after Kramer got knocked the frick out in the WC final in '14? He got walked off the field by medical staff and he had no clue where he was.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 5:53 pm to cwil177
Not sure why you're surprised. This is one area soccer is behind in. You mentioned Kramer and I also think about Lloris being knocked out cold against Everton in '13 (I think) and going on to continue playing after even after getting evaluated by medical staff.
FWIW I don't use this as an excuse for us losing. Sorry for not fitting everyone's narrative
FWIW I don't use this as an excuse for us losing. Sorry for not fitting everyone's narrative
Posted on 6/4/18 at 5:57 pm to TheZaba
Yeah, there was no way in hell Karius was coming off that field.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:01 pm to McCaigBro69
And I don’t blame him. As long as I was conscious I wouldn’t want to come off the field
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:05 pm to TheZaba
speaking of concussions and a bit off topic
The All or Nothing on the NZ All Blacks vs The Lions just came out on Amazon. Dear lord these hit.
The All or Nothing on the NZ All Blacks vs The Lions just came out on Amazon. Dear lord these hit.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:22 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 10:24 am
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:30 pm to GeauxTigers2020
I mean its not like he took a running start and threw a flying elbow.
VVD and Ramos were running and VVD a big dude pushed him. Just look at the way he landed, looks like he didn't have much control once he briefly left his feet.
VVD and Ramos were running and VVD a big dude pushed him. Just look at the way he landed, looks like he didn't have much control once he briefly left his feet.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:37 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I've been pushed in the back on the pitch before. Obviously not by some as strong as vvd but I think it's naive to think Ramos didn't completely embellish his fall. He knew that he was doing.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:42 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 8:44 am
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