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60 Page Israel Plan - Prosperity to Peace
Posted on 7/18/19 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 7/18/19 at 2:16 pm
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In an interview with PBS, Greenblatt also said calling Israeli communities in the West Bank “settlements” is pejorative — he considers the territory “contested” rather than “occupied” — but affirmed that the Trump administration peace plan does answer the question of Palestinian self-determination.
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“I think that Israel is actually more the victim than the party that’s responsible,” he replied. “From the moment of its formation, they were attacked multiple times. They continue to be attacked with terrorism. So — I’m not sure I understand the premise of the question.” “I think that Israel is actually more the victim than the party that’s responsible,” he replied. “From the moment of its formation, they were attacked multiple times. They continue to be attacked with terrorism. So — I’m not sure I understand the premise of the question.”
Greenblatt said he “can’t think of single instances” where Israel may have made mistakes or gone beyond its authority.
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“I don’t even like the word settlements,” Greenblatt said. “I think it’s a pejorative term. I use the term neighborhoods and cities.”
“But I think that one of the challenges of this file, as people speak about the West Bank, Judea and Samaria as being occupied, I would argue that the land is disputed. It needs to be resolved in the context of direct negotiations between the parties. Calling it occupied territory does not help resolve the conflict.”
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“But suffice it to say that, in the roughly 60 pages of the plan, that question is answered,” he said. “And our goal is to give the Palestinians everything possible with respect to that and anything else, so long as Israel’s security is not affected in a negative way.”
The administration doesn’t use the phrase “two-state solution,” he said, because “you can’t take a complex — a conflict as complex as this and boil it down to those three words.”
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Decades in the making and DJT45 is going to close the book on the loser “Palestinian” Hamas / Hezbollah dreams. We need to absolutely hammer these terrorists and unless they acquiesce 100% to the Israelis there will never be peace with these Islamists.
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 3:12 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Posted on 7/18/19 at 3:59 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
It takes a supreme act of chutzpah to cast Israel as the victim in all of this. Wasn’t Zionism about moving back to the holy land and rebuilding the state that Rome shattered?
The locals were always going to have an opinion about that.
This plan is a non starter, which is why Jordan flat out refused to talk about it, and why Riyadh elected not to host the talks.
Taking Jerusalem off the board didn’t help things along. It ensured that there will never be peace.
You do sound like an Israeli.
Short of the wholesale slaughter of the Palestinians. A war of extermination, ban, that isn’t going to work.
They are not going to bend over and take it. And why would they? They get nothing they want from this arrangement, and these are people’s who do not believe in win win scenarios, which makes the situation even more impossible.
The locals were always going to have an opinion about that.
This plan is a non starter, which is why Jordan flat out refused to talk about it, and why Riyadh elected not to host the talks.
Taking Jerusalem off the board didn’t help things along. It ensured that there will never be peace.
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We need to absolutely hammer these terrorists and unless they acquiesce 100% to the Israelis there will never be peace with these Islamists.
You do sound like an Israeli.
Short of the wholesale slaughter of the Palestinians. A war of extermination, ban, that isn’t going to work.
They are not going to bend over and take it. And why would they? They get nothing they want from this arrangement, and these are people’s who do not believe in win win scenarios, which makes the situation even more impossible.
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 7/18/19 at 4:28 pm to Lima Whiskey
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t takes a supreme act of chutzpah to cast Israel as the victim in all of this. Wasn’t Zionism about moving back to the holy land and rebuilding the state that Rome shattered? The locals were always going to have an opinion about that.
The locals and the rightful heirs are the Israelis. Israel is the victim especially when Moslem terrorists are shooting rockets into innocent kibbutz and killing children. At least attack military targets, but they won’t vecause they are coward Moslems.
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Taking Jerusalem off the board didn’t help things along. It ensured that there will never be peace.
Wow I can see where your loyalties lie. You would rather bow down to the murderous Moslems who have killed thousands of Americans. I got it your hatred for Jews is that strong. Your girl Omar and you would get along great.
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They are not going to bend over and take it. And why would they? They get nothing they want from this arrangement, and these are people’s who do not believe in win win scenarios, which makes the situation even more impossible.
Exactly and that is why they need to be either placated through overwhelming force or removed.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 4:44 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Wow I can see where your loyalties lie. You would rather bow down to the murderous Moslems who have killed thousands of Americans.
The argument you are making here is morally reprehensible, and you should take a moment to own that.
You are conflating the deaths of Americans, men, women, children. Friends, and relatives.
You are conflating their deaths with an unrelated ethno religious squabble, occurring thousand of miles away, that has absolutely no relation to it.
You are trading of the bodies of dead Americans to justify your vulgar little war.
You owe the dead, and the rest of us, an apology.
And if you have an ounce of character.
You will do that.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 6:21 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Lol Zionists are the worst
Posted on 7/18/19 at 6:24 pm to Lima Whiskey
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You are conflating their deaths with an unrelated ethno religious squabble, occurring thousand of miles away, that has absolutely no relation to it.
No these Moslems are the exact same no matter where they are. The same terrorists that you want to see kill Jews in Israel are the same ones planning and carrying out terrorist attacks against Americans throughout the world.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 7:22 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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No these Moslems are the exact same no matter where they are.
You are either profoundly ignorant, to the point of being dangerous.
Or, you are purposefully ignoring what you know to push your angle.
Both are bad, but the latter, that would make you a moral vacuum.
Either way, you want Americans to die, far from home, bleeding out, for a cause that’s not ours, for a people who don’t care, and wouldn’t do the same for us.
People like you...
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 7/18/19 at 7:49 pm to Lima Whiskey
The idea of a Palestinian peoples oppressed by big bad Israel was invented by the Egyptians after they got their asses kicked in the 6 Day War. Egypt and Syria lost face in the international community for ganging up on little ol Israel and trying to wipe it off the map. So the Soviets gave the Egyptians the idea to flip the script. The narrative of a native people being oppressed by an evil government was then manufactured and distributed.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:05 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Either way, you want Americans to die, far from home, bleeding out, for a cause that’s not ours, for a people who don’t care, and wouldn’t do the same for us.
You do realize the primary people funding Hamas / Hezbollah is Iran right? The same Iran that was distroing EFPs to kill us in Iraq right? The same Iran that’s actively trying to kill Americans throughout the world. You do realize Hezbollah is in the Western Hemisphere in the tri-border region right? Nasrallah wants nothing more than to destroy America. The Israeli’s just want to live in peace in their ancestral home.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:07 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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OleWarSkuleAlum
Jesus Christ dude
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:12 pm to PhilemonThomas
Just saying, the comments on here are reprehensible and disgusting. You know who you are.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:26 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:it was about forming a state where none existed, in the historical location of the Jewish Homeland, which the Jews never left. There have always been Jews in Israel even during the diaspora, all the various Islamic empires, the crusades, etc. It's not debatable, just history. The Jews never left, never relinquished their claim, and they legally purchased every single acre acquired during the Zionist movement. They declared a state legally, granted citizens to everyone in the confines, Arabs as well. They were immediately attacked by multiple established Arab States and the so called Palestinians left of their own volition to give the invading Arab armies a clear shot at exterminating the Jews, their neighbors and countrymen. They relinquished their right to live there when they sided with the Arabs over their country and didn't help fight the Invaders.
Wasn’t Zionism about moving back to the holy land and rebuilding the state that Rome shattered?
There already is an Arab States in Palestine and it makes up 80% of the territory, and it's called Jordan. Don't give the nutjob Palestinian terrorist another square inch of territory. If I were the Israel is I would push them into the Jordan and be done with it
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:26 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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The same Iran that was distroing EFPs to kill us in Iraq right?
That war, that idiocy.
That was Jerusalems dream. They’d pushed us to attack for years. AIPAC and PNAC has a field day after 9/11, pushing us into all sorts of stupidity that did not serve our interests.
But we pulled the trigger, in our madness.
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Nasrallah wants nothing more than to destroy America.
We’re at war with Riyadh’s creatures, and their ideological spawn, not Hezbollah.
Nasrallah, for his part, is no idiot and has no interest in picking a fight with us. It serves no purpose, and we are the only force that could ever destroy them.
He appears to be aware of that.
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The Israeli’s just want to live in peace in their ancestral home.
Israel wants to rebuild Eretz Israel, inch by inch.
Eretz Israel is a recipe for violence, and an enduring conflict with the people Israel displaces. It’s a commitment to perpetual war.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:34 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Let all the Arab states make alliances as they wish and let Israel fight without our help and have one big battle royal and whoever captures whatever territory and holds it at the end of the fighting we redraw the map of the whole Middle East and call it a day.
Enough with the legislative stuff. Let them all fight it out without interference from outside the region.
Enough with the legislative stuff. Let them all fight it out without interference from outside the region.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:37 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Greenblatt said he “can’t think of single instances” where Israel may have made mistakes
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:40 pm to Jack the Ripper
Ra'd
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:42 pm to Esquire
Israel isn’t worth one single American life. We gave enough to the Zionist cause during WWII. Get these Welfare Queens off our teet and make them self sufficient.
Israel only exists today because of military men and politicians. It’s pitiful.
Israel only exists today because of military men and politicians. It’s pitiful.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:25 pm to Jack Prenderville
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Let all the Arab states make alliances as they wish and let Israel fight without our help and have one big battle royal and whoever captures whatever territory and holds it at the end of the fighting we redraw the map of the whole Middle East and call it a day.
They have already done this several times. Since you are ignorant please research the six-day war and Yom Kippur War.
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