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re: Is Net Nutrality about to be gone?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:37 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:37 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I'm just amazed at how, up until 2014 this wasn't a problem, but now that we enacted a law called "net neutrality", if it goes away, it will now be a problem. Does that not strike anyone else as odd?
Come on now...don't play dumb. Just like current data caps and throttling, the idea to do this came over time for these ISPs.
Net Neutrality was a preventative measure, and now it is going away.
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:38 pm to Centinel
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And they also conveniently ignore the people pushing hardest for NN: Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. who all have their own agenda, and it's not freedom for you or I.
Yeah, because Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon are really known for taking up for the little guy and not constantly attempting to rape their wallet.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:39 pm to Centinel
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And they also conveniently ignore the people pushing hardest for NN: Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. who all have their own agenda, and it's not freedom for you or I.
That agenda being not paying ISPs a premium to host their content or customer's content. All of those companies make a significant profit from web hosting, advertising, or both. Tons of small websites will go under if the ISPs regulate traffic on the internet, which is not good for those businesses. They're not in it for the people but they aren't backing net neutrality for some evil reason that you seem to be alluding to.
Republicans love to tout being for small businesses but when it comes to ending net neutrality they're all for it. They talk about ending net neutrality as if it will somehow give us more freedom. Right now you can go anywhere you want on the internet. If you want companies to moderate your traffic on the internet go live in China or Portugal
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:42 pm to Centinel
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We've got a bunch of True Believers from Reddit who are convinced the repeal of net neutrality is the end of life on earth, while simultaneously having little to no understand of topics like peering, CDNs, etc.
This is rich coming from a PT board regular.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:46 pm to DoUrden
So if you haven't already, there's a bot you can text, that helps you write an email or a fax, free of charge, to your senator, or governor. Text "resist" to "504-09" and it'll ask you some questions, then you're onto writing.
"Net Neutrality is the cornerstone of innovation, free speech and democracy on the Internet.
Control over the Internet should remain in the hands of the people who use it every day. The ability to share information without impediment is critical to the progression of technology, science, small business, and culture.
Please stand with the public by protecting Net Neutrality once and for all."
"Net Neutrality is the cornerstone of innovation, free speech and democracy on the Internet.
Control over the Internet should remain in the hands of the people who use it every day. The ability to share information without impediment is critical to the progression of technology, science, small business, and culture.
Please stand with the public by protecting Net Neutrality once and for all."
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:53 pm to taylork37
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Come on now...don't play dumb. Just like current data caps and throttling, the idea to do this came over time for these ISPs.
As I said in an earlier post, there is a grand idea of what net neutrality is that nobody has a problem with. That idea has gotten applied to the law because they have the same name. That law really doesn't do much to move us one way or another towards that goal.
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Net Neutrality was a preventative measure, and now it is going away.
It was a preventative measure of something that may or may not happen, based on fear because laws that were already in place caught companies doing stuff they weren't supposed to, but the government didn't punish said companies enough (in the eyes of the public), so we crafted an additional law to give more power to that government to regulate something they weren't doing a great job of regulating (in the eyes of the NN proponents) in the first place.
The fear mongering examples that continuously get thrown around for this are only possible because the government has enabled the environment to make something like that possible. We are just at another great example of granting more power to government to fix the problems that government helped create. The NN law going away won't be nearly as good or bad as anyone in this thread is saying it will be.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:55 pm to robertLSU
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Right now you can go anywhere you want on the internet. If you want companies to moderate your traffic on the internet go live in China or Portugal
You couldn't go anywhere you wanted on the internet prior to 2015? That's interesting.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:58 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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You couldn't go anywhere you wanted on the internet prior to 2015? That's interesting.
Again, stop playing dumb. Just like data caps and throttling, the ISPs grew into the idea, it wasn't born with the internet.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:01 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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It was a preventative measure of something that may or may not happen, based on fear because laws that were already in place caught companies doing stuff they weren't supposed to, but the government didn't punish said companies enough (in the eyes of the public), so we crafted an additional law to give more power to that government to regulate something they weren't doing a great job of regulating (in the eyes of the NN proponents) in the first place.
The fear mongering examples that continuously get thrown around for this are only possible because the government has enabled the environment to make something like that possible. We are just at another great example of granting more power to government to fix the problems that government helped create. The NN law going away won't be nearly as good or bad as anyone in this thread is saying it will be.
How about we attack this from the opposite angle. Can you tell me what problems the Net Neutrality law currently causes, and what repealing them would fix? Also please tell me why all major ISPs have a huge stake in getting it reversed.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:22 pm to taylork37
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. Can you tell me what problems the Net Neutrality law currently causes, and what repealing them would fix?
Well, reclassifying it as a public utility for starters is just a terrible idea. There are plenty of solutions to this problem that don't involve making the internet infrastructure a public utility. We can start there for now.
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Also please tell me why all major ISPs have a huge stake in getting it reversed.
Google & Netflix were both against the reclassification to a public utility. Pretty much all the ISPs minus Verizon were one board with the 2010 legislation and 2014 legislation attempts. Their biggest issue with the current law is the classification as a utility.
ETA: AT&T & Comcast are subject to mostly similar (though some differences) rules even if it goes away, as terms of their recent merger. The false narrative is that ISP's are against NN because they want to charge for content and add fast/slow lanes. With the competition between mobile providers and wired ISPs, any attempt to squeeze the open internet like that would be a disaster. Hell, the 2015 ruling in the Netflix throttling case wasn't the fault of the ISP's, it was on Netflix's end. Is there an ISP out there that would try and squeeze the open internet? I'm sure there is. It would be a very bad move on their end.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:44 pm to HeavyCore
WTF. frick THAT.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:50 pm to OMLandshark
Net neutrality: who do you trust more? Comcast, AT&T, Charter, Verizon, OR Netflix, Fox, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Apple?
That's really it, everything else is speculation
That's really it, everything else is speculation
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:56 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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You couldn't go anywhere you wanted on the internet prior to 2015? That's interesting.
You could and you still can because of the legislation the FCC is trying to get rid of. After it's gone the ISPs will take that ability away. Do you think they're trying to get rid of it just for fun?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:58 pm to taylork37
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Can you tell me what problems the Net Neutrality law currently causes, and what repealing them would fix?
WSJ
How about a 6% decrease in investment in American broadband networks. Or that smaller ISP's are finding it far more difficult to build out networks in rural areas.
Supporters of NN also naively seem to accept that the government will stop with NN and not get further involved in internet regulation.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:02 pm to robertLSU
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Republicans love to tout being for small businesses but when it comes to ending net neutrality they're all for it.
Republicans, at least in theory, tout being for smaller government and less regulations.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:03 pm to robertLSU
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You could and you still can because of the legislation the FCC is trying to get rid of. After it's gone the ISPs will take that ability away. Do you think they're trying to get rid of it just for fun?
Fear mongering.
The ISPs were completely on board with other legislation that implemented similar restrictions. Then the current law was introduced reclassifying them as a utility. Then they started lobbying against it. Sure though, keep believing the fear campaign.
These greedy corporations are only in it for the money, yet are simultaneously trying to do something to allow them to try and put a squeeze on the open internet, which has always shown to be a bad business model.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:30 pm to lsu223
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How about a 6% decrease in investment in American broadband networks. Or that smaller ISP's are finding it far more difficult to build out networks in rural areas
Can you quote the article?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:35 pm to Parmen
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Finally. Let the free market work.
idiot
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:37 pm to imjustafatkid
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Of course I do. Net neutrality is one step closer to having the Internet run like a public utility such as electricity, gas, or water supply. It is just the first step towards ridiculous government overregulations of the Internet. It will be a great thing for this first step to be removed. Hopefully this will delay the inevitable a few more years.
Go back to the poliboard with this shite
Maybe you can get some backing in that echo chamber.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:41 pm to taylork37
"In the two years after the FCC’s decision, broadband network investment dropped more than 5.6%—the first time a decline has happened outside of a recession."
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