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re: Nintendo Switch Presentation 1/12/17 11 PM ET
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:44 am to BulldogXero
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:44 am to BulldogXero
I think they're marketing it as a home console on the go because that says more about what type of games to expect on the system (and thus the price expected to pay for those games). The Switch won't compare to PS or XB in specs, but it certainly will play "console level" games. The idea of having those high quality games on the go I think sounds more appealing than "handheld gaming on your TV". I think it's also a lot to ask the non-Nintendo loyalist to shell out $300 for a handheld when the competitor's home consoles go for less with a bundled game.
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:56 am to EveryonesACoach
The 3DS was $250 when it launched I believe. An extra $50 isn't that much to ask given the horsepower behind the machine and the fact that games are designed to be played either on the TV or on the tablet screen.
Nintendo has more support behind its portable console lineup plain and simple. The problem with interpreting the Switch first and foremost as a home console is how underpowered it is. I'm not even sure if it's on par with the baseline Xbox One or PS4. 3rd party developers won't bother if they can't easily port their games to the Switch. You have to look at it more as a portable system that can put out high quality games, and that is going to entice people more than marketing it the way they are which is just another underpowered home console with a gimmick.
Nintendo has more support behind its portable console lineup plain and simple. The problem with interpreting the Switch first and foremost as a home console is how underpowered it is. I'm not even sure if it's on par with the baseline Xbox One or PS4. 3rd party developers won't bother if they can't easily port their games to the Switch. You have to look at it more as a portable system that can put out high quality games, and that is going to entice people more than marketing it the way they are which is just another underpowered home console with a gimmick.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:56 am to BulldogXero
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Still, if the appeal of the Switch is the portability, what is the point of the 3DS?
To keep Nintendo in business. They don't want to alienate the 10+ million people who just bought Pokemon Sun and Moon.
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The 3DS was $250 when it launched I believe. An extra $50 isn't that much to ask given the horsepower behind the machine and the fact that games are designed to be played either on the TV or on the tablet screen.
And the 3DS had its price dropped so quickly, they realized how much of a huge mistake they made. It was put to $169, because it wasn't worth $250. I'll be shocked if Nintendo isn't forced to do a price drop or value heavy bundle by Christmas, because the tech doesn't justify the price.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 11:58 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:04 pm to oauron
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To keep Nintendo in business. They don't want to alienate the 10+ million people who just bought Pokemon Sun and Moon.
Why would you not release the next Pokemon title whatever that may be on the Switch? I guess I cannot wrap my mind around the purpose of two portable systems. You don't have to charge $60 for every game. Plenty of PS4/Xbox One games release brand new at $20-$40.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:48 pm to BulldogXero
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I guess I cannot wrap my mind around the purpose of two portable systems.
I mean it IS a business play. There's no point to two portable systems, yeah. But if the switch isn't successful, you release another DS in 24-36 months and recalibrate on the home console time.
It's the conservative play. I think going all in is the right thing to do, but Nintendo has never done that.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 7:01 pm to BulldogXero
It was $250, but almost no one bought it, they dropped the price significantly within 6 months of launch and created the "Ambassador" games program as a way to compensate the OG purchasers who felt screwed for spending so much.
I think this is the right move for Nintendo. Anectodtally, I have friends who are not Nintendo lovers preordering this system after owning every XBox.
I think this is the right move for Nintendo. Anectodtally, I have friends who are not Nintendo lovers preordering this system after owning every XBox.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:41 pm to BulldogXero
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Plenty of PS4/Xbox One games release brand new at $20-$40.
Wut
Posted on 1/17/17 at 6:34 am to Breesus
On PS4 they do, R&C comes to mind. Also both Sony and Microsoft put there games on sale, something Nintendo never does.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 6:42 am to BulldogXero
I wouldn't say plenty...
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:54 am to oauron
Sony's best ps3 year was it's very last year before the ps4.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 9:12 am to Breesus
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Wut
I mean, there really are quite a few. I've listed some below. This list includes ports and remasters as well as new games. I think that's fair as there are quite a lot of ports of older titles and remasters available on the 3DS as well. I am not taking quality into account either. A game like Breathe of the Wild may be $60 because it is a console quality experience. Meanwhile, Square's Project could be in the $40 range because it honestly looks like a 3DS title.
Recore -- $40
Adam's Venture: Origins -- $50
The Last of Us Remastered -- $40
Minecraft -- $20
Air Conflicts: Vietnam -- $20
Air Conflicts: Pacific -- $20
Resident Evil 4 -- $20
Resident Evil 5 -- $20
Resident Evil 6 -- $20
Agatha Christie: The ABC Murders -- $20
Sherlock Holmes: The Devil's Daughter -- $50
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:14 am to BulldogXero
Breath of the Wild makes sense as a $60 title but I'm really curious to see what they price a game like Ultra Street Fighter II at. It appears to be a slightly updated port of a game that released on PSN and Xbox Live for $14.99 over 8 years ago. I have a feeling they will attempt to sell it for much more than that, which would be ridiculous.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:18 am to DieDaily
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It appears to be a slightly updated port of a game that released on PSN and Xbox Live for $14.99 over 8 years ago. I have a feeling they will attempt to sell it for much more than that, which would be ridiculous.
They are advertising online multiplayer for "virtual console" titles. I would have assumed that was just the SNES version of Street Fighter II.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:39 am to BulldogXero
quote:I would assume online multiplayer would be for any title that would benefit from it. I'm thinking Contra, Bubble Bobble, Turtles in Time, Secret of Mana, and Street Fighter II as examples. (Though, I want to see this in action to believe it will work well.)
They are advertising online multiplayer for "virtual console" titles. I would have assumed that was just the SNES version of Street Fighter II.
The last time I tried Kaillera, which allows multiplayer arcade games to be played online, the experience was okay.
They are, of course, also releasing Ultra SF2 which will have online as well, so that reduces the appeal of playing old SNES SF2, imo.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:54 am to DieDaily
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Breath of the Wild makes sense as a $60 title but I'm really curious to see what they price a game like Ultra Street Fighter II at. It appears to be a slightly updated port of a game that released on PSN and Xbox Live for $14.99 over 8 years ago. I have a feeling they will attempt to sell it for much more than that, which would be ridiculous.
I was hoping that the plan to merge console and portable into one unit would allow a much bigger array of pricing types.
But we're talking about Nintendo who will sell a 20 year old game for $19.99.
I would assume this holds and prices for VC games, ports, etc. will all be higher than they should be.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:54 am to BulldogXero
Nintendo is going to Nintendo up their online so bad. You're going to have to go to the store and purchase "Accept" cards in order to get into another person's game, but the cards will be game specific. 3 uses only.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 11:34 am to EveryonesACoach
quote:Uhhhh....
shell out $300 for a handheld when the competitor's home consoles go for less with a bundled game.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 11:38 am to Drewbie
A bundled XBone is 400 plus broseph.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:15 pm to FourThreeForty
No it's not...
299.99 plus a game, one people actually give a damn about.
Also they were 249.99 all throughout the holidays. Look for both companies to price it back at 250 when the switch releases. No matter how you slice it Nintendo fricked up the price.
299.99 plus a game, one people actually give a damn about.
Also they were 249.99 all throughout the holidays. Look for both companies to price it back at 250 when the switch releases. No matter how you slice it Nintendo fricked up the price.
This post was edited on 1/17/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:39 pm to GalvoAg
quote:But neither the PS4 nor the XBO are a portable system which carries with it a slew of unique problems such as weight, battery life, ergonomics, durability, etc. I feel like everyone, including the games "journalists", making this direct comparison are overlooking this very obvious fact.
No matter how you slice it Nintendo fricked up the price.
I will, however, agree the the peripheral prices are laughably high. $70 for a pro controller? $90 for an additional dock? A bundle of a left and right joy-con is $80. That's where the pricing makes no sense to me.
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