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re: So I beat TLoU last night ::spoilers::
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:47 pm to Blitzed
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:47 pm to Blitzed
quote:No, not for certain. We don't know even know that Marlene and Ellie spoke about the procedure, which puts us in the same boat as Joel. I believe that Marlene is simply assuming Ellie would be willing to sacrifice herself if it meant there was a chance at saving humanity. As you kill everyone in the Firefly facility on your way to get Ellie you can find audio diaries of Marlene having to convince herself it's the right thing to do.
But do we?
She's done the mental gymnastics to get to that conclusion by the time you encounter her at the end and, like you said, she's just desperately trying to convince Joel.
I played the DLC but it was a long time ago. I don't think Ellie makes any indication that she'd want to sacrifice herself during it but she certainly seems to be thinking about all of the people in her life who have died because of the outbreak at the end. I think we're supposed to be left wondering if Marlene's statement outside the elevator was correct after all.
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:54 pm to DieDaily
Yeah. I watched the DLC and there was no hint or direct confirmation.
I guess Ellie knows..and her questioning Joel was a way to put her mind at ease, because he gave her the answer she wanted to hear? (Like any protector would say) Like..I didn't want to die. Lie to me and help me feel better about this situation.....
That’s just how I’m going to view it.
But does Ellie need Joel as much as Joel needs Ellie? She said to the boy her worst fear was being left alone.....
I guess Ellie knows..and her questioning Joel was a way to put her mind at ease, because he gave her the answer she wanted to hear? (Like any protector would say) Like..I didn't want to die. Lie to me and help me feel better about this situation.....
That’s just how I’m going to view it.
But does Ellie need Joel as much as Joel needs Ellie? She said to the boy her worst fear was being left alone.....
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 2:07 pm to Blitzed
Sorry I’m just rambling but I just trying to walk myself through this.
I think they both need each other more than they have yet to admit. I don’t think Ellie truely wanted to die and we know Joel didn’t want it to happen. I don’t think I can be okay with Ellie being mad at Joel for doing what he did and I don’t think she is or ever will be. I do believe she is torn about how she herself feels about it and that she had concerns leading up to finding the fireflies. Deep down she needed Joel to do what he did but deep down she also needed to hear what he said for her concious.
I think they both need each other more than they have yet to admit. I don’t think Ellie truely wanted to die and we know Joel didn’t want it to happen. I don’t think I can be okay with Ellie being mad at Joel for doing what he did and I don’t think she is or ever will be. I do believe she is torn about how she herself feels about it and that she had concerns leading up to finding the fireflies. Deep down she needed Joel to do what he did but deep down she also needed to hear what he said for her concious.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 2:11 pm to Blitzed
The game is no doubt an all time best in terms of story. The relationship between Joel and Ellie is special.
I struggle with the new God of War's relationship between Kratos and Atreaus being more enjoyable in a game but honestly who cares. Both are great damn games that make you fall in love with the characters and gaming.
I struggle with the new God of War's relationship between Kratos and Atreaus being more enjoyable in a game but honestly who cares. Both are great damn games that make you fall in love with the characters and gaming.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 2:36 pm to Blitzed
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The ending was a little meh
I consider TLOU the best game I’ve ever played (story wise) and I’ve played a lot of games in my lifetime. I’m a 56 year old gamer and the ending had me so emotional I could hardly contain myself and I don’t say that lightly.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 2:41 pm to GreyWhiskers
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The ending was a little meh
I’m just talking the final cutscene here btw.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 2:50 pm to Blitzed
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I’m just talking the final cutscene here btw.
Oh ok...gotcha.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:40 pm to Blitzed
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I’m just talking the final cutscene here btw.
Ellie's dialogue was a little cringy. But then again she is a teen with a sort of hipster and/or alternative outlook. Guess it is to be expected.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 4:11 pm to Blitzed
It's no Majora's Mask.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 6:24 pm to Blitzed
quote:As I said. Joel didn't argue with Marlene when she said this. He killed her.
But do we? Did ellie state this? Im honestly curious because I may have missed it. Or was that a plea from a desperate woman who wanted the research?
Why? Because he knew it was true. We saw a few hours out of the 4 seasons they spent together. He knew her heart. He knew or at least thought it was possible she would throw her life away. He wasn't about to let it happen.
Is it subtle and vague. Sure, but once again, we only spent a small amount of time with Ellie. They spent about a year together. He didn't argue with Marlene. He didn't say that she had no idea if Ellie was willing to give her life. He already knew she would.
And the score is one of the best of any game to date. And I don't find the last scene meh. Love it. Love that it ended on the lie and Ellie accepting it and not some Disneyfied family reunion scene.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 6:50 pm to Mear
quote:
It's no Majora's Mask.
MM makes me feel more than tLoU.
MM is all about hopelessness.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:55 pm to Blitzed
I'll just point out that people are discussing a "game" yet 100% of the discussion revolves around characters, motivations, feelings, plot, etc.
Sorta like a movie, not a game.
I don't think TLoU is a bad game or anything, but it is at its core a fairly unremarkable survival horror game.
But if you play video games primarily for giraffe cutscenes, TLoU is def. your jam.
Sorta like a movie, not a game.
I don't think TLoU is a bad game or anything, but it is at its core a fairly unremarkable survival horror game.
But if you play video games primarily for giraffe cutscenes, TLoU is def. your jam.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:09 pm to PEPE
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I'll just point out that people are discussing a "game" yet 100% of the discussion revolves around characters, motivations, feelings, plot, etc.
Well yea that is what makes a story. A story starts with its characters. Without being able to relate to its characters it means nothing. This is something other NaughtyDog titles like Uncharted fail, terribly.
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Sorta like a movie, not a game
Its a story told through interactive media.
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I don't think TLoU is a bad game or anything, but it is at its core a fairly unremarkable survival horror game.
I think its a terrible game at its core.
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But if you play video games primarily for giraffe cutscenes, TLoU is def. your jam.
This is a funny comment. +1
But the cutscenes in game are not as long and/or more impact to the story for what it is worth.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:09 am to PEPE
quote:
discussing a "game"
Regardless of how you feel. It is still a game.
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yet 100% of the discussion revolves around characters, motivations, feelings, plot, etc.
So game are supposed to be free of these things? Because they are games?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 6:07 am to Blitzed
He's stated many times he wants his games to be mindless button mashing fun. Add a story, you might as well be watching a movie.
So that rules out some of the greatest games of all time, or just this year for that matter.
So that rules out some of the greatest games of all time, or just this year for that matter.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:16 am to PEPE
quote:The definition of what constitutes a video game has obviously evolved over time and has been leaning more heavily into story than gameplay over the last decade or so, but mixing these 2 is nothing new. The original Donkey Kong even showed a "cutscene" of Pauline getting abducted at the start of every game to give the player a motivation beyond pure gameplay.
Sorta like a movie, not a game.
I believe TLOU is greater than the sum of its parts. Its gameplay as a whole isn't remarkable but it's solid. However, (and I've said this before here) Naughty Dog doesn't get enough credit for creating a stealth game that flows so well and convincingly back and forth from sneaking to action. It was the first stealth game I played that I didn't feel like both the story and gameplay broke as soon as you were seen by the enemy, a problem I would argue wasn't fixed for the MGS series until V.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:25 am to DieDaily
The stealth worked fine except the immersion being broken by Ellie wandering around out the open while you are trying to keep from dying. 
If you want 100% action, this isn't the game for you. Same as the clowns hating on Uncharted. Just because you don't like story or cutscenes that doesn't mean the game is crap. It means you only like 100% action games.
I like action games, I like walking simulators. I enjoyed Detroit Becomes Human and that is nothing more than a very pretty story driven walking simulator.
On the other hand, I've got about 300 hours into subnautica which is underwater survival with just a hint of a story.
As some folks don't like story / cutscenes, I don't like sports games anymore. Doesn't make them crap. Just means I don't like em.
If you want 100% action, this isn't the game for you. Same as the clowns hating on Uncharted. Just because you don't like story or cutscenes that doesn't mean the game is crap. It means you only like 100% action games.
I like action games, I like walking simulators. I enjoyed Detroit Becomes Human and that is nothing more than a very pretty story driven walking simulator.
On the other hand, I've got about 300 hours into subnautica which is underwater survival with just a hint of a story.
As some folks don't like story / cutscenes, I don't like sports games anymore. Doesn't make them crap. Just means I don't like em.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:43 am to TigerMyth36
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Same as the clowns hating on Uncharted. Just because you don't like story or cutscenes that doesn't mean the game is crap
oh, cutscenes arent the issue with Uncharted
It's the arcade-like shooting galleries, cookie cutter adventure plots, and hilariously derivative characters. there were some cool setpieces in each game and they were well-produced and well-acted, but they were mostly just mindless popcorn games. the series took off because the first released at a time when the PS3 lineup was barren. unbelievable that the woman that wrote Legacy of Kain wrote Uncharted. It would be like if Dr. Seuss wrote War & Peace or Atlas Shrugged.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 8:45 am
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:55 am to TigerMyth36
I do want to point out that the OP said he played and finished the game knowing there is a 2nd one coming out. When I played this game I thought it was a one and done. Still wish it was a one and done in all honesty.
ETA: I could be wrong but I thought that's what he said. Playing the game knowing zero about what was coming was incredible. It ended and I went...wow. Not once did I think "I can't wait for the 2nd one."
ETA: I could be wrong but I thought that's what he said. Playing the game knowing zero about what was coming was incredible. It ended and I went...wow. Not once did I think "I can't wait for the 2nd one."
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 8:57 am
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:57 am to Carson123987
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unbelievable that the woman that wrote Legacy of Kain wrote Uncharted. It would be like if Dr. Seuss wrote War & Peace or Atlas Shrugged.
Did not know this. lol. I thought uncharted series was fun because the game was self-aware that it was a silly stupid action movie game. I had no problems with it but I know some don't like it.
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