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re: Let’s talk about the Saudi Golf Super League
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:16 am to daberryballer
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:16 am to daberryballer
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Yep you are the same guys who think NIL would never make a difference in college football...
You are the only one talking about this here. Take that silly shite argument back to the MSB or those morons on tRant.
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Posted on 2/17/22 at 8:40 am to CoachChappy
Interesting excerpt from the new Phil Mickelson book coming out soon by Alan Shipnuck.
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Mickelson told me he had enlisted three other “top players” he declined to name and that they paid for attorneys to write the SGL’s operating agreement, codifying that the players would have control of all the details. He didn’t pretend to be excited about hitching his fortunes to Saudi Arabia, admitting the SGL was nothing more than what he called “sportswashing” by a brutally repressive regime. “They’re scary motherfrickers to get involved with,” he said. “We know they killed [Washington Post reporter and U.S. resident Jamal] Khashoggi and have a horrible record on human rights. They execute people over there for being gay. Knowing all of this, why would I even consider it? Because this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reshape how the PGA Tour operates. They’ve been able to get by with manipulative, coercive, strong-arm tactics because we, the players, had no recourse. As nice a guy as [PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan] comes across as, unless you have leverage, he won’t do what’s right. And the Saudi money has finally given us that leverage. I’m not sure I even want [the SGL] to succeed, but just the idea of it is allowing us to get things done with the [PGA] Tour.”
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:01 am to BMoney
Depending on what happens, Phil’s legacy could be bigger than Tiger and Jack at improving the game/ pga tour for the players
OR
He could have the legacy of ruining golf and the tour
OR
He could have the legacy of ruining golf and the tour
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:02 am to BMoney
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Because this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reshape how the PGA Tour operates.
And make a arse load of money in the process, right Phil? For a guy who’s racked
Up $92M in PGA tour winnings, he sure is coming off as a greedy whiner.
I’d love to know what exactly he wants from the PGA besides more money.
JMO, but getting in bed with the Saudis while admitting what a loathsome group they are makes him look like nothing more than a greedy POS.
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he declined to name and that they paid for attorneys to write the SGL’s operating agreement, codifying that the players would have control of all the details
Yes, everyone knows how honorable those Saudis are when it comes to business. Let me
Know how they honor that agreement when you challenge them on something. He’s looking worse and worse the more I learn about him and his role in this.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:13 am to BMoney
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I’m not sure I even want [the SGL] to succeed, but just the idea of it is allowing us to get things done with the [PGA] Tour.”
At least he is being honest. I dont think I would want to even get involved with the Saudis. No way I would openly admit I am going to double cross them.
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We know they killed [Washington Post reporter and U.S. resident Jamal] Khashoggi
Oh for frick's sake
This post was edited on 2/17/22 at 9:18 am
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:21 am to tigerinthebueche
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And make a arse load of money in the process, right Phil? For a guy who’s racked
Up $92M in PGA tour winnings, he sure is coming off as a greedy whiner.
I’d love to know what exactly he wants from the PGA besides more money.
He sees athletes in other sports signing guaranteed contracts north of 9 figures, while it's taken him 25 years of being the second biggest name in the sport of golf to even come close to that number in on course earnings.
Hard to really blame him, but this could shape how golf is structured going forward for years to come.
Would really rather the PGL type thing as opposed to the Saudi breakaway league. But a guaranteed contract to only have to play 12 events a year sure is appealing for a lot of people.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:23 am to tigerinthebueche
There is a very real possibility Phil has financial problems. Dude loves to throw serious cash around and get involved in some shady shite
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:24 am to BMoney
quote:You need to include endorsements. One of the benefits for golfers is they are allowed to wear their sponsor while they play. That opens up huge revenue streams that other pro athletes don’t have
being the second biggest name in the sport of golf to even come close to that number in on course earnings.
Hard to really blame him,
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:36 am to lsupride87
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You need to include endorsements. One of the benefits for golfers is they are allowed to wear their sponsor while they play. That opens up huge revenue streams that other pro athletes don’t have
You think Mahomes and Rodgers do those State Farm adds for free?
Mahomes made $45 million last year. Rodgers *only* made $33.5 million.
fricking Deshaun Watson made $39 million and never played a down.
I'm not defending his (alleged) involvement in the Saudi league. But a fundamental restructuring of the way the PGA Tour operates would be huge. Guaranteed contracts for players to play X number of events would make for great tournaments. Having a field similar to a major in 12 events a year would be fantastic. I want to see more of Rahm and JT and Rory all going head to head more often. Not Luke fricking List and Hudson Swafford.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:44 am to BMoney
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“They’re scary motherfrickers to get involved with
This sounds like Marty Byrde deliberating about laundering for the cartel.
ETA: Also, I feel like SI always came out with those highest earning athlete lists yearly, and Tiger and Phil were always top 2-3.
This post was edited on 2/17/22 at 9:46 am
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:55 am to BMoney
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But a fundamental restructuring of the way the PGA Tour operates would be huge. Guaranteed contracts for players to play X number of events would make for great tournaments. Having a field similar to a major in 12 events a year would be fantastic. I want to see more of Rahm and JT and Rory all going head to head more often. Not Luke fricking List and Hudson Swafford.
You would end up with the big guys only playing those 12 events and they would be great, then 35 weeks of korn ferry level tournaments in between.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:56 am to BMoney
quote:Of course they do. But nothing for them compares to getting to compete with logos of sponsors all over themselves
You think Mahomes and Rodgers do those State Farm adds for free?
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:57 am to DestrehanTiger
quote:They are
Also, I feel like SI always came out with those highest earning athlete lists yearly, and Tiger and Phil were always top 2-3.
Because yes; golfers don’t get guaranteed money like other sports, but they have huge advantages for sponsorship (read as automatic) money
At 19 years old before winning shite Spieth signed a 100 million dollar deal with under armor. Tell a football player that
This post was edited on 2/17/22 at 10:01 am
Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:30 am to daberryballer
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Yep you are the same guys who think NIL would never make a difference in college football
Can you show us with any objectivity that it has changed college football?
Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:58 am to Hermit Crab
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You would end up with the big guys only playing those 12 events and they would be great, then 35 weeks of korn ferry level tournaments in between.
Add in 4 majors and you get 16 great weeks. The NFL does pretty well with 16 great weeks.
Pebble Beach was a Korn Ferry level event. Ditto for AMEX. The Florida and Texas swings will be more of the same minus The Players.
What do we want out of golf? We get excited for the majors because the best players in the world all gather together for a (sometimes) great test of golf. Let's have more of those and fewer Valero Texas Opens where there are no top 10 players that show up.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:12 am to lsupride87
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You need to include endorsements.
Phil’s net worth is reportedly around $400M. I’m not opposed to him wanting more money. I’m opposed to him faulting the PGA and trying to hurt it when he chose to participate in the league and made $94M doing so. The PGA is a nonprofit. So what is his beef exactly? “I want to reshape the PGA”. To what exactly? And will it benefit the top 10 players or all players.
If he wanted baseball/football money, why didn’t he play That instead? Seems like $94M is pretty good considering the gig and how
Pro golfers get treated.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:23 am to BMoney
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Let's have more of those and fewer Valero Texas Opens where there are no top 10 players that show up.
I get excited about golf every week there is a tourney on TV. Doesn’t matter if Brooks or DJ areIn it or Not. I’m still gonna watch. How Many top 10 players have been in the winners circle so far this year? This seems to me to be a case where a select few players feel they should be paid more cause they’re the big dogs. But that’s BS.
Again, where is the discrepancy in the way the PGA is spending the money the players feel entitled to?
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:25 am to tigerinthebueche
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The PGA is a nonprofit.
And?
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So what is his beef exactly?
You’ve mentioned Phil’s estimated net worth, now tell us how much the PGA makes each year. Maybe his “beef”, is that players should get more of a cut.
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If he wanted baseball/football money, why didn’t he play That instead?
Horrible argument.
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how Pro golfers get treated
By the PGA? What does the PGA provide the golfers that is so special?
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:34 am to RummelTiger
quote:A platform and tv deals that allow the players to get sponsorships that pay 100s of millions for wearing a logo
What does the PGA provide the golfers that is so special?
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:44 am to RummelTiger
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You’ve mentioned Phil’s estimated net worth, now tell us how much the PGA makes each year. Maybe his “beef”, is that players should get more of a cut.
That’s what/why I’m asking. Phil is on record as saying the PGA tour is “greedy”. Ok, they’re not turning a profit supposedly. So what makes them
greedy? They’re not shorting Phil to add to the bottom line. So what’s his deal?
The PGA has a retirement plan for players, right? Seems like a good deal to me. Does any other sport offer the same? And it’s my understanding-I could certainly be wrong- that the PGA has tried to offer more benefits (at least request that the event courses offer them) like day cares for the players with families so the wives and kids can travel with the players, courtesy cars, meals, tickets to otherSporting events etc. I’m not saying These are the end all, be all for a
Guy like Phil. But it doesn’t exactly suck either.
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