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Official**: LIV Golf will not receive ranking points per head of OWGR
Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:27 pm
There was a poster here that said it would never happen. That guy seems like a smart fellow
LINK
I expect personal attacks, strawman arguments, and bot posting to follow
Not sure how liv moves forward now. A guy like Chacarra who joined will never play the majors.
LINK
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“We are not at war with them,” Peter Dawson, chairman of the OWGR board, said when contacted by The Associated Press. “This decision not to make them eligible is not political. It is entirely technical. LIV players are self-evidently good enough to be ranked. They’re just not playing in a format where they can be ranked equitably with the other 24 tours and thousands of players trying to compete on them.”
I expect personal attacks, strawman arguments, and bot posting to follow
Not sure how liv moves forward now. A guy like Chacarra who joined will never play the majors.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 1:37 pm
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:41 pm to lsupride87
Sounds odd....clearly their methodology posted on their site allows points being awarded for 54-hole tournaments:
LINK
LINK
Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:43 pm to lsupride87
That sucks for a lot of those guys who were hoping to still compete in majors. That will end any real shot of guys like rahm, Cantlay, Xander etc going to LIV.
BBonds, Mr.LSU, and others on here are going to really lash out now.
BBonds, Mr.LSU, and others on here are going to really lash out now.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:46 pm to notsince98
Their main reason, which is completely based on logic, is the closed nature of the entire tour of LIv
If Scottie, Rahm, Viktor, and Rory started their own 4 person tour playing full 72 holes would you need to rank them too? I mean clearly they would still be some of the top golfers in the world right? Wouldn’t make sense to not continue to rank them…..
If Scottie, Rahm, Viktor, and Rory started their own 4 person tour playing full 72 holes would you need to rank them too? I mean clearly they would still be some of the top golfers in the world right? Wouldn’t make sense to not continue to rank them…..
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 2:10 pm to lsupride87
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Their main reason, which is completely based on logic, is the closed nature of the entire tour of LIv
I thought Kyle Porter made a valid point on Twitter about LIV’s contracts as well. Let’s say the 4 Aces decide to sign Yasir’s nephew. Well, now he has an unearned opportunity to play in the Masters or US Open without ever needing to qualify for anything. There’s no other Tour that has unearned contracts or opportunities that haven’t been defined.
I feel like they should be ranked, but as I’ve said before, I don’t really know a good way to do it.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 2:16 pm to Dawgsontop34
Confirmation that the LIV/PGA deal is dead. Monahan sits on the OWGR Board so if a deal was done this would have been approved.
I suspect the Majors will cut a deal with LIV in the near future to auto qualify their top 6-8 players. The Masters floated this possibility a week or so ago.
I suspect the Majors will cut a deal with LIV in the near future to auto qualify their top 6-8 players. The Masters floated this possibility a week or so ago.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 2:27 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Let’s say the 4 Aces decide to sign Yasir’s nephew. Well, now he has an unearned opportunity to play in the Masters or US Open without ever needing to qualify for anything.
Kind of like sponsors exemptions on the PGA Tour
Posted on 10/10/23 at 2:38 pm to BigApple
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Kind of like sponsors exemptions on the PGA Tour
Not really. A sponsor's exemption is for that specific tournament, not a spot on every event on the tour. You also do have to be at least a 0 handicap.
There is no apples to apples comparison for this situation. LIV falls short in multiple areas, that is their downfall. Its not one specific thing like 3 rounds, no cut, no qualification process. Its all of those things (maybe even others?) for every single tournament of the entire season every year.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 2:40 pm to BigApple
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Kind of like sponsors exemptions on the PGA Tour
Can you have unlimited sponsors’ exemptions?
Posted on 10/10/23 at 3:32 pm to lsupride87
“at this time”
Something will have to change with the ranking system or the qualification for majors. Their ranking system is broken as is if they actually have:
Dustin Johnson at 121
Bryson Dechambeau at 132
Talor Gooch at 187
Etc etc
Not to mention, what will happen if/when this PGA/PIF merger goes through
Posted on 10/10/23 at 3:41 pm to JimTiger72
Your point and others is so silly. Yes brooks and Bryson etc are still top golfers. But they decided to leave the framework of professional golf and how it is ranked
If they decided to go play a country club member/guest tour should they get points? Your logic of “they are still the best” doesn’t change….
If they decided to go play a country club member/guest tour should they get points? Your logic of “they are still the best” doesn’t change….
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 4:06 pm to lsupride87
This is what the modern world is about. Change 'your' rules to fit what 'I' do. They knew the OGWR rules but thought they're were going to do what they wanted and the golf world would change to fit them. Well here we are.
I'm not a LIV hater I just want the best to play against each other more than 4x's a year.
I'm not a LIV hater I just want the best to play against each other more than 4x's a year.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 4:07 pm to WilsonPickett
LIV is in between a rock and a hard place now. They can’t go to the way other tours are run(based on merit and qualification) because they then lose their ability to acquire the top older talent, but if they stay the same they are dead in the water to any young talented growth
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 4:20 pm to JimTiger72
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Their ranking system is broken as is if they actually have: Dustin Johnson at 121 Bryson Dechambeau at 132 Talor Gooch at 187
If Talor Gooch is your argument I’m not sure you’re gonna get a ton of support
Posted on 10/10/23 at 4:40 pm to JimTiger72
It’s what the money was for. It sucks, and they should obviously be ranked higher based on their golfing ability. But it’s not like this was something taken away from the LIV golfers once they joined.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 4:44 pm to Dawgsontop34
If Jon Rahm quit right now and became a teaching pro, still practicing every single day, should he still get ranking points? I mean clearly he would still be one of the top golfers in the world…..
The ranking system in any sport has never been about “ranking the best players in the world”
It’s “ranking the best players n the world that take part within the framework of the system”
The ranking system in any sport has never been about “ranking the best players in the world”
It’s “ranking the best players n the world that take part within the framework of the system”
Posted on 10/10/23 at 4:48 pm to Swagga
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If Talor Gooch is your argument I’m not sure you’re gonna get a ton of support
Is there something I’m missing with the hate for Gooch?
He was top 40 back when he joined LIV & he’s won 3 times since then. Seems like he’s the best example of incorrect ranking.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 4:58 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Your point and others is so silly. Yes brooks and Bryson etc are still top golfers. But they decided to leave the framework of professional golf and how it is ranked
It seems like Peter Dawson agrees with my silly point.
quote:
Dustin Johnson, Sergio Garcia, of course they should be in the ranking,” Dawson said. “We need to find a way to get that done. I hope that LIV can find a solution — not so much their format; that can be dealt with through a mathematical formula — but the qualification and relegation.”
Posted on 10/10/23 at 5:21 pm to lsupride87
quote:Stop it you’re making me blush
There was a poster here that said it would never happen. That guy seems like a smart fellow
Posted on 10/10/23 at 5:29 pm to JimTiger72
quote:Ugh, he is agreeing with me. If LIV decides to participate within the existing framework they can get points. But that will take them becoming a true open tour.
It seems like Peter Dawson agrees with my silly point. quote:
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 5:31 pm
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