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re: Phil Withdraws from PGA Championship
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:09 am to TigernMS12
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:09 am to TigernMS12
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Should I be able to show up and pay the entry fee and play in a PGA tournament?
Most Tour events are "opens."
You can do exactly this, there's just a qualifying process.
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:08 am to Mingo Was His NameO
And who sets the qualifying process/requirements?
The only tournament that a Joe blow could actually get into, without an exemption (and these also are subject to approval), is the US Open assuming you made it all the way through the qualifiers. The rest of the tournaments are essentially invitationals with all card holders having a standing invite.
The only other exceptions are the Masters and The Open since they’re not run by the USGA/PGA. They could let these guys that leave the PGA if they wanted. Up to them.
The only tournament that a Joe blow could actually get into, without an exemption (and these also are subject to approval), is the US Open assuming you made it all the way through the qualifiers. The rest of the tournaments are essentially invitationals with all card holders having a standing invite.
The only other exceptions are the Masters and The Open since they’re not run by the USGA/PGA. They could let these guys that leave the PGA if they wanted. Up to them.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:14 am to TigernMS12
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The only tournament that a Joe blow could actually get into, without an exemption (and these also are subject to approval), is the US Open assuming you made it all the way through the qualifiers. The rest of the tournaments are essentially invitationals with all card holders having a standing invite.
This is not correct
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:20 pm to TigernMS12
Also a lawyer. The players are not employees of the PGA Tour. They are independent contractors. They determine where and when they will play, subject to certain terms and conditions (minimum number of tournaments, etc).
However, the relationship is contractual, not employment based. If the agreement between the players and the Tour is that players cannot compete in tournaments that compete with the Tour there is very little the players can do to change that short of renegotiating their deal with the Tour.
However, the relationship is contractual, not employment based. If the agreement between the players and the Tour is that players cannot compete in tournaments that compete with the Tour there is very little the players can do to change that short of renegotiating their deal with the Tour.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:32 pm to Macavity92
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If the agreement between the players and the Tour is that players cannot compete in tournaments that compete with the Tour
They can receive waivers for competing Tours which is their issue. Will they win if this ultimately goes to Court? I'm not sure anyone can say with any confidence, but it's a lot more complicated than the operators who play twice a month at Santa Maria want to make it out to be.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:45 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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They can receive waivers for competing Tours which is their issue. Will they win if this ultimately goes to Court?
What will their legal theory be? Why will a court compel a waiver?
Yes, waivers can be granted for any contractual condition. That does not mean that there is a right to a waiver.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:06 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I play three times a month damnit!
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:09 pm to Macavity92
Obviously I’m not privy to their Ks but one would assume there is at least a general “The Tour has the right to revoke privileges for any act detrimental to the Tour” clause. The players are going to lose this fight.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:11 pm to Macavity92
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What will their legal theory be?
According to them, antitrust and restricting them as independent contractors.
Again, I'm not saying they're going to win and my personal opinion is it won't even make it that far, but we'll see.
The DOJ, from my outside looking in seat, seems to have been denying a ton of deals due to anti trust which would be in favor of the players.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:23 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:The PGA tour already kicked the Fair Trade Commission (the entity that deals with anti trust) arse in 1994
The DOJ, from my outside looking in seat, seems to have been denying a ton of deals due to anti trust which would be in favor of the players
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:28 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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The DOJ, from my outside looking in seat, seems to have been denying a ton of deals due to anti trust which would be in favor of the players.
There’s a huge difference between M&A and contractual agreements between principals and independent contractors. Courts very rarely throw out contracts on that basis. The players will lose. My bet is that they do not even try.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:33 pm to Macavity92
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There’s a huge difference between M&A and contractual agreements between principals and independent contractors.
Of course, I'm just pointing out the general direction the courts seem to be going.
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The players will lose. My bet is that they do not even try.
They're almost certainly going to try. Whether that escalates to the courts I think is still up in the air and less likely than not in my opinion, but this thing is too far down the road to just die now.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:57 pm to TigernMS12
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I’m not privy to their Ks but one would assume there is at least a general “The Tour has the right to revoke privileges for any act detrimental to the Tour” clause. The players are going to lose this fight.
I would assume the Tour can't invoke that clause in an arbitrary and capricious manner.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 9:34 pm to TigernMS12
Most, if not all Tour events have a Monday qualifier in which a certain number of non exempt players attempt to qualify for a spot on Thursday.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:04 am to COTiger
Pretty sure those Monday qualifiers have hdcp. restrictions. Not just any slapdick gets to tee it up.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:36 am to COTiger
quote:I think it’s right at 50%
Most, if not all Tour events have a Monday qualifier
Last I looked 24 of the 48 PGA events have qualifiers
Posted on 5/16/22 at 10:11 am to Righteous Dude
He wouldnt of made the cut anyways. So I am not missing much
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:20 pm to TDTOM
I wouldn't know. I've never tried to qualify for one. 
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:22 pm to lsupride87
Wow!! I'm surprised it's that high. I knew the Masters didn't have one and invitational tournaments like Jack's at Murfield didn't have one. 
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