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Question For Golfers/Golf Fans
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:18 pm
Why do the professional tours (PGA, European Tour, etc) still require each golfer to keep their own score and sign their scorecard after each round?
This is 2020. There is an official following every group. There is TV coverage.
There really is no good reason to require a golfer to have to basically keep their own score. I can't remember the last time a pro signed the wrong scorecard which caused him to be disqualified, but it just seems absolutely ridiculous in this day and age. (I understand why it was done in the early days).
As far as using tradition for the reason, they now allow the players to keep the flagstick in the hole while putting on the green, not to mention the penalty area (formally called hazards) rules.
What is everyone's opinion?
This is 2020. There is an official following every group. There is TV coverage.
There really is no good reason to require a golfer to have to basically keep their own score. I can't remember the last time a pro signed the wrong scorecard which caused him to be disqualified, but it just seems absolutely ridiculous in this day and age. (I understand why it was done in the early days).
As far as using tradition for the reason, they now allow the players to keep the flagstick in the hole while putting on the green, not to mention the penalty area (formally called hazards) rules.
What is everyone's opinion?
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Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:19 pm to GusAU
Its a gentlemen’s game. Just the way it is...
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:20 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Didn't DJ sign a "wrong" scorecard at Whislting Straights and get DQ'd for the "potbunker" shot?
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:21 pm to GusAU
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Why do the professional tours (PGA, European Tour, etc) still require each golfer to keep their own score and sign their scorecard after each round?
Same reason baseball teams have their own official scorers.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:21 pm to GusAU
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I can't remember the last time a pro signed the wrong scorecard which caused him to be disqualified,
It literally happened this week to Cameron Tringale at the PGA.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:22 pm to GusAU
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I can't remember the last time a pro signed the wrong scorecard which caused him to be disqualified
It happened just two days ago to Cameron Tringale. And it's the 2nd time he's done it.
Edit... looks like I hit "enter" about half a second too late.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:23 pm to BoomerJam
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It literally happened this week to Cameron Tringale at the PGA
I didn't realize that. That's ironic timing.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:26 pm to GusAU
Thing is... he was eating dinner and got to thinking and realized he'd missed a stroke. And told them. And they DQ'd him. If he hadn't told them, nobody would have been any the wiser. Seems to me that they would have simply adjusted his score rather than DQ him from a major.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:26 pm to GusAU
Generally the same rules apply at all levels amateur through pro. At every level there are customs and rules regarding keeping score. They are used to it. Been doing it since they played their first competitive round at the age of 8 or 9.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:26 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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Its a gentlemen’s game. Just the way it is...
So, it would no longer be a gentlemen's game if they didn't have to keep their own score?
But they could take a full swing on a putt from 5 feet away (which would be asinine..lol), hit the flagstick and drop in the hole, when they couldn't before?
Wouldn't a gentleman give himself a penalty stroke in that situation since previous gentlemen didn't have the same luxury?
(Not laughing at you, laughing at someone taking a full swing from 5 feet away)
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:29 pm to SSpaniel
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Thing is... he was eating dinner and got to thinking and realized he'd missed a stroke. And told them. And they DQ'd him. If he hadn't told them, nobody would have been any the wiser. Seems to me that they would have simply adjusted his score rather than DQ him from a major.
I totally agree. That is basically my point.
It's kind of ridiculous that a professional has to worry about something that trivial that any tour official could keep up with. I do understand why the players would still want to keep their own score just out of habit and also to make sure their true score is recorded.
I just don't think they should be DQ over a scoring error.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:34 pm to GusAU
They don’t keep their own score. They keep the scorecard of their fellow competitor.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:37 pm to GusAU
Not every shot is under the scrutiny of an official or camera
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:49 pm to barry
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Not every shot is under the scrutiny of an official or camera
That really has nothing to do with the golfer being responsible for keeping their own score. There is a PGA official that walks with every group. If a golfer makes a mistake (accidentally moves the ball, moves an impediment, etc..), they would just tell the official scorer what they did and they should be given a penalty stroke. There is no difference whether he tells a scorer or records it himself. Either way he is required to be honest.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:50 pm to LCLa
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They don’t keep their own score. They keep the scorecard of their fellow competitor.
They actually keep both.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:52 pm to GusAU
The official scorecard is kept by a player who it doesn’t belong to. Yes they usually do keep theirs as well to check with the official card after the round.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:54 pm to GusAU
There is not a PGA official with every group in every tournament. Possibly there are in majors but certainly not in the John Deere Classic. There are usually officials spread throughout the course that cover multiple holes/groups during the round.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:54 pm to GusAU
There’s a layout of the course in there that is their range finder. No electronics allowed, they have only a map.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 10:18 pm to GusAU
quote:Those “officials” with each group are volunteers, and it’s very common for them to get the scores wrong. Shot link is the best alternative, but again run by volunteers and they get it wrong.
There is a PGA official that walks with every group.
Only the leaders and popular players have cameras or audiences around for every shot.
PGA Tour events are largely dependent on volunteers and are not setup to keep official scoring across a 75 acre golf course.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 8/9/20 at 11:41 pm to LCLa
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There is not a PGA official with every group in every tournament. Possibly there are in majors but certainly not in the John Deere Classic. There are usually officials spread throughout the course that cover multiple holes/groups during the round.
Maybe I'm mistaken. I always thought there was.
That said, it doesn't change my question. We all know how easy it would be to have just one official with each group.
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