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re: What is the PGA's beef with these Saudi events?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:50 am to RummelTiger
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:50 am to RummelTiger
quote:Mingo is a turd, but COtiger isn’t making sense
Well, he’s right, so…
Mingo says the tour will block all LIV waivers, the. COtiger starts talking about waivers for non LIV events
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:32 am to lsupride87
The PGA Tour hurt itself by creating the absolute ban to playing in an LIV event. The hard-line stance gives the appearance that they own the players which, from a player’s perspective, pisses them off.
What the PGA tour should have done is say that they would allow 10-15 spots to play in the LIV field but players would needs to apply for one of those spots and then there would be a lottery for the spots two weeks prior to the event. This would give the appearance of not completely shutting down the “chance” to play in the LIV event and wanting to evaluate the impact on PGA Tour events moving forward. In reality, it would deter players since the application would not be a guaranteed spot in the LIV event and it would prevent them “cherry-picking” the top players. Also, it would creat a scheduling hassle for the players to the point that they would lose interest in the LIV events quickly.
What the PGA tour should have done is say that they would allow 10-15 spots to play in the LIV field but players would needs to apply for one of those spots and then there would be a lottery for the spots two weeks prior to the event. This would give the appearance of not completely shutting down the “chance” to play in the LIV event and wanting to evaluate the impact on PGA Tour events moving forward. In reality, it would deter players since the application would not be a guaranteed spot in the LIV event and it would prevent them “cherry-picking” the top players. Also, it would creat a scheduling hassle for the players to the point that they would lose interest in the LIV events quickly.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:56 am to DivotBreath
quote:Only 2 players in the top 50 left the Tour. So I would say they did pretty good
The hard-line stance gives the appearance that they own the players which, from a player’s perspective, pisses them off
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:05 am to lsupride87
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Only 2 players in the top 50 left the Tour
3.... So far
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:06 am to lsupride87
I think this is the only thread I have eve read where Mingo has actually made sense.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:09 am to AlxTgr
Maybe that means you should reevaluate your stance….. 
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:02 am to lsupride87
Usually
The problem is, so many people here keep mischaracterizing the tour and making terrible analogies. The tour isn't a business for the tour. The tour only exists for its players. Created by players for players. Not created as a business to make money and hires players to that end.
The problem is, so many people here keep mischaracterizing the tour and making terrible analogies. The tour isn't a business for the tour. The tour only exists for its players. Created by players for players. Not created as a business to make money and hires players to that end.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:09 am to AlxTgr
Some of us understand that, but also can see that created entity has pretty clear bylaws
Now if you want to say those bylaws will be challenged in court, fine. But those bylaws are there for the time being and the tour is exercising them
It’s interesting that DJ and NA aren’t even attempting to sue though, like some said they would and how easy they would win….
Now if you want to say those bylaws will be challenged in court, fine. But those bylaws are there for the time being and the tour is exercising them
It’s interesting that DJ and NA aren’t even attempting to sue though, like some said they would and how easy they would win….
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 10:13 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:17 am to lsupride87
……and I would assume part of being a member of the tour requires you signing and agreeing to those bylaws.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:29 am to TDTOM
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and I would assume part of being a member of the tour requires you signing and agreeing to those bylaws.
Just because you sign something doesn't mean it's enforceable.
Im not saying these bylaws aren't, but your dumb point is dumb.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:31 am to lsupride87
quote:They, well especially DJ, may be thinking this is short term big money and can stand to resign from the tour, cash in, then see where it goes. When it fizzles in two years, he just rejoins. Na's situation is more complicated because of his age and lesser ability. He probably sees this as a way to make way more money and could not care less about his Tour future.
It’s interesting that DJ and NA aren’t even attempting to sue though, like some said they would and how easy they would win….
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:33 am to AlxTgr
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Na's situation is more complicated because of his age and lesser ability. He probably sees this as a way to make way more money and could not care less about his Tour future.
He's still top 40 in the world and has, I think off of the top of my head, 4 wins in the last couple of years. It's not like he's a scrub.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 11:00 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I can tell you that Spieth and JT and Rahm and Scheffler, you know the huge names in the game right now, did not follow your model
of the current top 25 in the world golf rankings, the following had to play other tours before earning their tour cards:
Patrick Cantlay - Web.com Tour
Cameron Smith - Web.com Tour
Sam Burns - Web.com Tour
Billy Horschel - Q school (took him three tries)
Xander Schauffele - Web.com Tour
Will Zalatoris - failed in first stage at Q school then qualified while playing on sponsors exemptions on Korn Ferry
Dustin Johnson - Q school
Matt Fitzpatrick - Euro Q school
Tony Finau - PGA Tour Canada, Q school, Web.com
Abraham Ancer - Web.com Tour
Brooks Koepka - Challenge Tour in Europe
Louis Oosthuizen - Sunshine Tour in Africa, Challenge Tour in Europe
Sungjae Im - Web.com Tour
Max Homa - Web.com Tour
Tyrrell Hatton - Challenge Tour and several other mini tours prior
That's 15 of the 25 in the current WGR that did follow that model.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 11:03 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 11:18 am to lsufball19
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of the current top 25 in the world golf rankings, the following had to play other tours before earning their tour cards:
The only way to get directly onto the Tour is through FedEx Cup points, which would have to come through starts via free sponsors exemptions.
Doing one year on the Web or KFT isn't "grinding for a few years to perfect your craft"
Zalatoris almost won a major and wasnt even aloud to play in the FedEx Cup playoffs in the same year!
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:16 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
As I said all along, LIV players will be in the US Open.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:14 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:I just said it's more complicated. I never even came close to suggesting he was a scrub.
He's still top 40 in the world and has, I think off of the top of my head, 4 wins in the last couple of years. It's not like he's a scrub.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Zalatoris almost won a major and wasnt even aloud to play in the FedEx Cup playoffs in the same year!
Zalatoris turned pro in 2018. He didn't make it past the first stage of Q school on the Korn Ferry. he had no status on any tour in 2019 and relied on sponsors exemptions and Monday qualifiers to play Korn Ferry events in 2019. He earned full status on the Korn Ferry Tour in 2020. He earned his PGA Tour card for the 2021 season.
And no, him having a top 10 finish in the 2020 Open didn't get him into the FedEx cup playoffs. Why would it? You know what it did do though? It got him into the fields for PGA Tour events moving forward where he did well enough to earn a tour card.
But to say he didn't have to grind to make it to the tour is flat out wrong. I'd say having no status on any tour and having to play Monday qualifiers just to get in Korn Ferry fields is grinding.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:27 pm to lsupride87
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Mingo is a turd, but COtiger isn’t making sense
Mingo says the tour will block all LIV waivers, the. COtiger starts talking about waivers for non LIV events
Let me attempt to clarify my position so it's crystal clear. The PGA Tour has been granting waivers/exemptions/call it what you like for years. They are typically granted to PGA Tour members to play in what used to be a European Tour event. There is a set number of exemptions that a player can receive in a year, but I don't know what that number is. And finally, the PGA Tour has made it crystal clear its policy on granting exemptions for LIV tournaments. THEY WILL NOT BE GRANTED!!
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:48 pm to COTiger
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Let me attempt to clarify my position so it's crystal clear. The PGA Tour has been granting waivers/exemptions/call it what you like for years. They are typically granted to PGA Tour members to play in what used to be a European Tour event. There is a set number of exemptions that a player can receive in a year, but I don't know what that number is. And finally, the PGA Tour has made it crystal clear its policy on granting exemptions for LIV tournaments. THEY WILL NOT BE GRANTED!!
Everyone knows all of this so what was the point of any of your posts?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 5:30 pm to lsupride87
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If you threatened to join your organizations biggest threat, would you be welcome back?
I received an offer to a rival of my company. I told my employer if they couldn’t at least match, then I would have to leave. They matched. So to answer your question… yes.
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