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What is your opinion of Jay Monahan now?
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:39 am
Thoughts on how he comes out after the dust settles? Does he ever regain trust of any player? Does he keep his job? What's your overall opinion of him...
Just some of my thoughts:
He already had been handling the LIV situation terribly, and now he has become the biggest scumbag commissioner in all of sports since Bud Selig. He obviously spouted off LIV hate for 2 years and condemned any player that left, now he is doing the same thing the LIV players did. He's taking the "blood money." If you hated on LIV players for chasing money, Jay deserves the same hate.
LIV players didn't like him. Now PGA Tour players don't like him. Possibly worst of all he has 9/11 organizations condemning him. Using victims of 9/11 to make players that left and players that are potentially leaving feel like crap is the scummiest thing I've ever seen a commissioner do.
He has the money (don't know how much) and in that way he comes out ok. The same way the LIV players came out great. But his reputation is ruined. Forever. Rory defending him (disappointed in Rory's comments because he was a good little soldier but JM used him as their champion and now he comes out looking like the worst of all the players) isn't enough to repair his now scumbag, snake oil used car salesman reputation. I can easily see him having to step down.
What say you?
Just some of my thoughts:
He already had been handling the LIV situation terribly, and now he has become the biggest scumbag commissioner in all of sports since Bud Selig. He obviously spouted off LIV hate for 2 years and condemned any player that left, now he is doing the same thing the LIV players did. He's taking the "blood money." If you hated on LIV players for chasing money, Jay deserves the same hate.
LIV players didn't like him. Now PGA Tour players don't like him. Possibly worst of all he has 9/11 organizations condemning him. Using victims of 9/11 to make players that left and players that are potentially leaving feel like crap is the scummiest thing I've ever seen a commissioner do.
He has the money (don't know how much) and in that way he comes out ok. The same way the LIV players came out great. But his reputation is ruined. Forever. Rory defending him (disappointed in Rory's comments because he was a good little soldier but JM used him as their champion and now he comes out looking like the worst of all the players) isn't enough to repair his now scumbag, snake oil used car salesman reputation. I can easily see him having to step down.
What say you?
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Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:41 am to iwyLSUiwy
He should be replaced
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:46 am to iwyLSUiwy
I don’t know a ton about the guy, but he seemed ill prepared to lead the tour in the face of the LIV challenge. He tried to compete on money and made changes before he had dollar commitments. That put the PGA in a bind and forced his hand. Then, he cut a deal in secret and appears to have negotiated his own landing spot as a primary point in the negotiations, essentially taking the same money he begged others to turn down.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 10:49 am
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:47 am to iwyLSUiwy
Jay currently.
In an ironic twist, the people that were against Jay before always responded with “don’t care, I’m rich bitch”, and now, well, Jay has turned that right back around on them
Jay showed everyone an important lesson. Watch out for yourself and frick everyone else.
He is a snake and two faced, but now he is a much richer two faced snake
In an ironic twist, the people that were against Jay before always responded with “don’t care, I’m rich bitch”, and now, well, Jay has turned that right back around on them
Jay showed everyone an important lesson. Watch out for yourself and frick everyone else.
He is a snake and two faced, but now he is a much richer two faced snake
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 10:49 am
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:47 am to WDE24
He should be replaced by Tiger.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:48 am to WDE24
I was decently happy with how he has handled this hostile takeover up until this merge. I didn't care for the "blood money" angle and all of that stuff, but did agree with the bans from the tour for anyone that went to LIV.
Not sure why this merger had to happen now, but it seems he did it all on his own. Makes you wonder how much he got personally to make this happen.
Not sure why this merger had to happen now, but it seems he did it all on his own. Makes you wonder how much he got personally to make this happen.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:50 am to RedHawk
The blood money angle was the biggest mistake they made. If they never went with that obnoxious angle, this merge play would be seen as a consensus home run on their side
But, because they played that obnoxious virtue card for so long, it makes it so easy to attack this move
It showed no forward thinking at all to attack “dirty money”
But, because they played that obnoxious virtue card for so long, it makes it so easy to attack this move
It showed no forward thinking at all to attack “dirty money”
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:50 am to RedHawk
quote:My best guess is that the PGA was having trouble getting the commitments it needed from sponsors to compete on $. There was also likely something going on in the litigation that helped speed up the timeline, but that is also just a guess.
Not sure why this merger had to happen now
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:53 am to WDE24
Talking heads have eluded to neither side wanting to go to discovery in litigation. I don’t know why PIF would be afraid of that. It’s not like they have a reputation or brand to protect. The PGA on the other hand…
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:14 am to RedHawk
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I was decently happy with how he has handled this hostile takeover up until this merge
But he was one of the main reasons LIV even formed. He brought it on himself. I can see someone thinking he handled it decently once it all went down, but now it makes all of what he did useless and look really really bad. When the players your the commissioner over hate you, that's a bad spot to be in.
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but did agree with the bans from the tour for anyone that went to LIV.
Same. If you left, you left. You chose to go, which looking at it now, was %100 the right decision. Those guys made a business decision and it paid off. Other players lost out big time.
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Not sure why this merger had to happen now, but it seems he did it all on his own
Litigation. The PGA, although loaded, doesn't have Saudi money and they could have dragged that out for ages if they wanted to.
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Makes you wonder how much he got personally to make this happen.
Really curious about this.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:18 am to lsupride87
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In an ironic twist, the people that were against Jay before always responded with “don’t care, I’m rich bitch”, and now, well, Jay has turned that right back around on them
Yes, he made a smart decision. But the difference is that the players don't look like scum bags now. Nobody is arguing that he didn't get paid. He just imitated the players and showed his true colors. Moral high ground was B>S.
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Jay showed everyone an important lesson. Watch out for yourself and frick everyone else.
Umm, kind of like a ton of tour players did before him? You're acting like he was the first one who did this and taught people a lesson. It's also not a good way to ensure your job by telling players your commissioner of that basically they should have left.
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He is a snake and two faced, but now he is a much richer two faced snake
Don't think anyone is arguing that.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:50 am to iwyLSUiwy
Jay is scum
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:59 am to lsupride87
I know you won't admit it, but you make it like Jay made out by making a lot of money. Then you won't admit that during this whole thing that Norman made out by forcing a world tour and he made a hell of a lot of money in the process.
Shows your bias.
Shows your bias.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:43 pm to Crimsonians
I wonder what the attendance and TV numbers show? Was TV attendance down to where the PGA tour felt like they had to make this move? On the LIV side, I think those players would have been fine as long as there was some way for them to qualify for the major events. Maybe the majors could have said the top 5 players, not already qualified, would receive a spot in the majors. The this is good for the game line is a bunch of crap. I enjoyed watching both tours to be honest. LIV was not going anywhere in my opinion. Had they been able to secure a descent TV contract, I believe it would have taken off pretty well. Maybe this is the reason the PGA tour made this move, LIV may have been on the cusp of securing such a deal. Either way, Jay messed this up from the start. He gave LIV free press for a year and a half and that's why they succeeded in staying in the headlines.
Rory said he remains loyal to Jay, but the same cannot be said of Jay remaining loyal to Rory and the rest of the tour members.
Rory said he remains loyal to Jay, but the same cannot be said of Jay remaining loyal to Rory and the rest of the tour members.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:56 pm to WDE24
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My best guess is that the PGA was having trouble getting the commitments it needed from sponsors to compete on $. There was also likely something going on in the litigation that helped speed up the timeline, but that is also just a guess.
This. They created a bunch of elevated/designated events with much bigger payouts and didn't bother to consult the sponsors. When sponsors figured out that they didn't get anything more with doubling their investment from original agreements, the tour saw the writing on the wall. Multiply that over several years, and the TV contract plus sponsorship money was going to come up short. Add in the millions and millions they were going to spend in legal fees to fight LIV's lawsuit as well as their own suit against LIV, and it just makes monetary sense to shut up and take the money, while making their competitor go away.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Much like Roger Goddell, he’s playing the role of dick. He’ll wear the black hat and take the heat. In the end, everyone will get richer. Don’t feel sorry for any of the players. Play well and you’ll make tons of money.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:35 pm to Johnnie10lb
Replace him with Peyton Manning!
Posted on 6/7/23 at 4:27 pm to daberryballer
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Replace him with Peyton Manning!
Wouldn't be mad at that. Peyton has balls.
Unfortunately I see the PIF Fund taking complete control of the Tours in less than 4 years.
They will pay off Congress and whatever agency to get past the monopoly rule and then they are home free.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:49 pm to iwyLSUiwy
It's simple, he has no spine.
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