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Posted on 2/23/12 at 9:50 am to TCUFan
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1. A winning program (2 recent BCS game appearances and one of the winningest programs in the last decade)
LSU is the better option
2. A good coach and a coaching staff that has remained largely intact for the last 10 years.
LSU is the better option
3. A program that has drafted or signed as free agents more players than Texas in the last 3 years.
LSU is the better option
4. A new stadium, workout facilities, etc.
LSU is the better option
5. Small school allows for smaller classes and classes within walking distance.
TCU has the advantage but I don't see small school as a big seller
6. New AQ status and many games in the area (step up from its MWC and Conference USA past).
LSU is the better option
7. TCU football graduates its players at 71%. This is more than LSU and would be tied for first in the Big12 with Mizz last year.
LSU's graduation rate was 78% and second behind Vandy in the SEC
8. Unlike a number of big name programs like UT and OU, TCU does not churn and burn. Recruits are given a 2nd and 3rd chance to figure it out.
TCU has the advantage
9. New tv contract (now on easier to find cable channels and greater chance of getting occasional network coverage on ABC).
LSU is the better option
10. Better opportunity to play for a national title if run the table.
LSU has is the better option
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Also, TCU is in Fort Worth not Dallas. If you don't know the difference, you don't know anything about TCU.
Most don't know much about TCU for the obvious reasons.
Posted on 2/23/12 at 3:10 pm to coldhotwings
You are changing the argument with this but I will play along out of boredom.
TCU actually has a higher winning percentage this past decade. https://collegefootball.about.com/od/schools/a/Winningest-College-Football-Programs-Of-The-2000s.htm
You might think this but GP is better than Les Miles.
I don't know the answer to this but it is probably true that LSU has sent more the last 3 years but not by many.
I have not seen LSU facilities but I suspect that the only thing LSU has on TCU is larger stadium seating. Many of TCU's facilities are probably newer.
A lot of kids from smaller towns and schools tend to prefer smaller universities. It is the trade off for not having 80 to 100,000 seat stadiums.
There is not much difference between the Big12 and SEC especially after the recent additions of WV and TCU.
Unless LSU has their own network, I am not sure there is that much of a distinction. Probably depends on how you frame the argument.
I don't see how LSU has a better opportunity to play for a national title. LSU may now have an easier path because the SEC East is down and the Big12 has improved but that is very arbitrary and can change from year to year. I think if a team goes undefeated in either conference they would play for a national title. The only exception would be if the OOC was just incredibly weak.
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1. A winning program (2 recent BCS game appearances and one of the winning-est programs in the last decade)
LSU is the better option
TCU actually has a higher winning percentage this past decade. https://collegefootball.about.com/od/schools/a/Winningest-College-Football-Programs-Of-The-2000s.htm
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2. A good coach and a coaching staff that has remained largely intact for the last 10 years.
LSU is the better option
You might think this but GP is better than Les Miles.
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3. A program that has drafted or signed as free agents more players than Texas in the last 3 years.
LSU is the better option
I don't know the answer to this but it is probably true that LSU has sent more the last 3 years but not by many.
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4. A new stadium, workout facilities, etc.
LSU is the better option
I have not seen LSU facilities but I suspect that the only thing LSU has on TCU is larger stadium seating. Many of TCU's facilities are probably newer.
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5. Small school allows for smaller classes and classes within walking distance.
TCU has the advantage but I don't see small school as a big seller
A lot of kids from smaller towns and schools tend to prefer smaller universities. It is the trade off for not having 80 to 100,000 seat stadiums.
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6. New AQ status and many games in the area (step up from its MWC and Conference USA past).
LSU is the better option
There is not much difference between the Big12 and SEC especially after the recent additions of WV and TCU.
quote:According to this study, LSU's graduation rate is 67% which is lower than TCU. https://stanford.scout.com/2/1066657.html
7. TCU football graduates its players at 71%. This is more than LSU and would be tied for first in the Big12 with Mizz last year.
LSU's graduation rate was 78% and second behind Vandy in the SEC
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9. New tv contract (now on easier to find cable channels and greater chance of getting occasional network coverage on ABC). LSU is the better option
Unless LSU has their own network, I am not sure there is that much of a distinction. Probably depends on how you frame the argument.
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10. Better opportunity to play for a national title if run the table. LSU has is the better option
I don't see how LSU has a better opportunity to play for a national title. LSU may now have an easier path because the SEC East is down and the Big12 has improved but that is very arbitrary and can change from year to year. I think if a team goes undefeated in either conference they would play for a national title. The only exception would be if the OOC was just incredibly weak.
Posted on 2/23/12 at 7:27 pm to TCUFan
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You are changing the argument with this but I will play along out of boredom.
Well the topic of this thread is Melvin Jones and you mentioned how TCU can take players out of LA so comparing advantages makes sense.
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TCU actually has a higher winning percentage this past decade. LINK
TCU and Boise State are good teams but they had much easier schedules over that period of time than LSU. LSU/Bama would be undefeated just about every season with those type of schedules.
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You might think this but GP is better than Les Miles.
Not just me. Who won all of those "coach of the year" awards? Who has a national championship ring and conference titles from a conference that matters?
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I don't know the answer to this but it is probably true that LSU has sent more the last 3 years but not by many.
LSU is top 10 all-time in NFL players and currently #2 with active NFL players. TCU isn't in the top 20 in either category. Not even close.
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I have not seen LSU facilities but I suspect that the only thing LSU has on TCU is larger stadium seating. Many of TCU's facilities are probably newer.
LSU is usually mentioned when talking about the best facilities in CFB and many argue Tiger Stadium is the best stadium. Newer =/= better. North Texas and Baylor are other TX schools getting new stadiums and I highly doubt they would compete in having the best facilities even in the state of TX.
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A lot of kids from smaller towns and schools tend to prefer smaller universities. It is the trade off for not having 80 to 100,000 seat stadiums.
Baton Rouge isn't a podunk town nor is it a hustle bustle metropolis. It's considered one of CFB's top college towns. It's only a turn off to recruits who prefer something closer to L.A. or Miami.
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There is not much difference between the Big12 and SEC especially after the recent additions of WV and TCU.
Yes there is. Don't kid yourself and buy into what the Longhorns feed you. 2011 may have been the strongest ever for the Big 12 and still the SEC reigns supreme.
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According to this study, LSU's graduation rate is 67% which is lower than TCU. LINK
Stop reading about LSU at a Stanford site. That info is wrong.
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Unless LSU has their own network, I am not sure there is that much of a distinction. Probably depends on how you frame the argument.
SEC currently has the most national TV appearances of all conferences. The SEC network talk is getting stronger and it's going to blow the BTN or any other proposed network out of the water.
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I don't see how LSU has a better opportunity to play for a national title. LSU may now have an easier path because the SEC East is down and the Big12 has improved but that is very arbitrary and can change from year to year. I think if a team goes undefeated in either conference they would play for a national title. The only exception would be if the OOC was just incredibly weak.
Wow, let's totally ignore the 2011. LSU got into the national championship game with a brutal OOC schedule. LSU destroyed the Pac-12 champ and Big East Champ along the way.
Posted on 2/23/12 at 7:36 pm to TCUFan
GTFO. So in your humble guesstimation, TCU =/= LSU? Because your argument is saying that same thing. Also, never bring up your winning percentage again until you play a schedule that a school like Colorado wouldn't laugh at.
Posted on 2/23/12 at 8:24 pm to TCUFan
Differenc is we didn't lose to Troy. You guys lost to SMU last season. We lost to probably the best Kentucky team in the last 10-15 years and guess what we won that year? The National Championship. Enough said. Win a crystal football and then we can have this discussion again. Win 2 and then we'll have a real discussion.
Not saying I don't know the recruit, just saying that the only 2 LA kids with TCU offers are Riley and Jones and neither would pick TCU over LSU. If the kid doesn't have an offer from TCU then he certainly can't choose them over LSU. This is why I asked who the recruit is because I can't figure how you got that either of those 2 kids would pick TCU over LSU. If it's someone not offered by TCU then it's an entirely different discussion. That's the reason for the curiosity.
Eta- Forgot about one but the issue isn't TCU. Diarse?
SirRohan, I'm on TSD and post. Not sure if you have me confused with someone else or not. I've been mistaken for NorfolkTiger before.
Not saying I don't know the recruit, just saying that the only 2 LA kids with TCU offers are Riley and Jones and neither would pick TCU over LSU. If the kid doesn't have an offer from TCU then he certainly can't choose them over LSU. This is why I asked who the recruit is because I can't figure how you got that either of those 2 kids would pick TCU over LSU. If it's someone not offered by TCU then it's an entirely different discussion. That's the reason for the curiosity.
Eta- Forgot about one but the issue isn't TCU. Diarse?
SirRohan, I'm on TSD and post. Not sure if you have me confused with someone else or not. I've been mistaken for NorfolkTiger before.
This post was edited on 2/23/12 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 2/24/12 at 10:34 am to lsufanva
TCU's going to have one problem in the Big XII that they didn't have in the MWC or Big East: differentiation.
They had a niche brand of football that allowed them to rack up wins against terribly inferior conference opponents.
In the Big XII, they won't stand out against Texas/OU.
They'll be Purple Baylor.
They had a niche brand of football that allowed them to rack up wins against terribly inferior conference opponents.
In the Big XII, they won't stand out against Texas/OU.
They'll be Purple Baylor.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 10:41 am to Smoke Ring
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In the Big XII, they won't stand out against Texas/OU.
They'll be Purple Baylor.
So you are saying that TCU will do better than A&M then.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 10:51 am to lsufanva
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Differenc is we didn't lose to Troy. You guys lost to SMU last season. We lost to probably the best Kentucky team in the last 10-15 years and guess what we won that year?
Losing to SMU in overtime in our rebuilding year early in the season is significantly different than struggling to Troy. Is Troy even a FBS school?
Also, TCU should have been playing for the national title in 2010 and arguably in 2009.
quote:You better check your intel.
Not saying I don't know the recruit, just saying that the only 2 LA kids with TCU offers are Riley and Jones and neither would pick TCU over LSU. If the kid doesn't have an offer from TCU then he certainly can't choose them over LSU. This is why I asked who the recruit is because I can't figure how you got that either of those 2 kids would pick TCU over LSU. If it's someone not offered by TCU then it's an entirely different discussion. That's the reason for the curiosity.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 10:55 am to TCUFan
Silly Purple Baylor
You haven't beaten my team in almost 40 years.
You haven't beaten my team in almost 40 years.
This post was edited on 2/24/12 at 10:56 am
Posted on 2/24/12 at 11:02 am to TCUFan
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Is Troy even a FBS school
Speaking of intel.
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better check your intel
LSU will not lose a recruiting battle to TCU for a LA kid. Especially in a year where TCU is probably more likely to end up on the show COPS, rather than the college football preview.
I really don't understand what point you're trying to make in this thread.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 11:42 am to TCUFan
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Also, TCU should have been playing for the national title in 2010 and arguably in 2009.
Lulz! Not with the high school schedule y'all played
Posted on 2/24/12 at 11:51 am to Smoke Ring
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Silly Purple Baylor
You haven't beaten my team in almost 40 years.
We haven't played A&M in the last 10 years either. If we had, TCU would have won the majority of those games.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:03 pm to TCUFan
One more year and we will bring you fools back down to earth and this special place we call reality.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:10 pm to wahoocs
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LSU will not lose a recruiting battle to TCU for a LA kid. Especially in a year where TCU is probably more likely to end up on the show COPS, rather than the college football preview.
I really don't understand what point you're trying to make in this thread.
You have marked down your opinion. I just don't understand the excessive confidence in this especially when you just lost two LA kids last year to UT and Bama. In this case, a recruit has already said that he would pass on a late LSU offer.
This post was edited on 2/25/12 at 12:00 am
Posted on 2/24/12 at 11:39 pm to TCUFan
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Your have marked down your opinion. I just don't understand the excessive confidence in this especially when you just lost two LA kids last year to UT and Bama.
Please do not compare TCU to UT or Bama.
Posted on 2/25/12 at 10:28 am to coldhotwings
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Please do not compare TCU to UT or Bama.
TCU has been a better football team than UT for the last few years. They also have sent more players to the NFL for the last 3 years. Stop living in the past.
Posted on 2/25/12 at 10:32 am to TCUFan
Right, I bet you think you are equal to the longhorns and gators too. Win a real championship and then come back to talk about where you belong.
Posted on 2/25/12 at 10:48 am to coldhotwings
To argue TCU's relevance in college football is ridiculous. here is the fact they are a cute niche story the last couple years but the reality is no one cares and you guys think you are better then you actually are. you are about to get a dose of reality when you move to one of the big boy conferences and let me tell you patterson will be moving on soon. he knows he cant recruit on the level with these big schools and any college would take him. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but TCU's short hayday is about over.
Posted on 2/25/12 at 11:00 am to coldhotwings
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Right, I bet you think you are equal to the longhorns and gators too. Win a real championship and then come back to talk about where you belong.
If you don't think that TCU has been a better football team than UT for the last three years than you have not been paying attention. I believe had TCU been allowed to play Auburn in 2010, they would be national champions. There was only a paper champion in 2010 so spare us the real champion talk. Also, TCU has won a couple of national titles in its distant past so you can deal with that as well.
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