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re: Williford finally got ranked on Rivals...
Posted on 7/30/08 at 7:52 pm to CROWN N COKE
Posted on 7/30/08 at 7:52 pm to CROWN N COKE
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Not an LSU player, but if i'm not mistaken Demeco Ryans was only about 2 stars. Defensive rookie of the year.
3 star on Rivals. Just looked it up.
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Posted on 7/30/08 at 7:53 pm to lynxcat
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If he becomes a star I will be the first person to compliment Les, but I'm not sold AT ALL as of now.
And you are?
Posted on 7/30/08 at 7:54 pm to lynxcat
Then maybe Williford will just be all conference 
Posted on 7/30/08 at 7:56 pm to mikeytig
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A 340 lb OL that ran a 5.2? The time alone should be at least a 3 star should it not? any comments from the experts?
seems like it, especially considering his size. the kid is huge. tulane's 2 star OL is five inches shorter and 62 pounds lighter and also runs a 5.2
Posted on 7/30/08 at 7:57 pm to Papa Purple and Gold
Antoine Cason was a 3 stars
Chris Williams was a 2 stars.
Keller - 2 stars
Matt Ryan - 3 stars
Aqib Talib - 2 stars
B. Albert - 2 stars
I don't feel like looking up the rest of the guys.
Chris Williams was a 2 stars.
Keller - 2 stars
Matt Ryan - 3 stars
Aqib Talib - 2 stars
B. Albert - 2 stars
I don't feel like looking up the rest of the guys.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 7:58 pm to lynxcat
What we know is that he went to camps at LSU, OM, AU, and Bama. AU has never offered big linemen like that traditionally, it's not part of their philosophy although JW performed relatively well there. Bama evaluated him as a OG and told him they didn't have room for any more guards given their commitments and silents (Steen for example).
Ole Miss had him as their #1 target for the OL, Nutt has a long history of spotting OL undervalued talent and taking it to 1st round draft ability. LSU saw him for a short period of time and coach Stud is 100% sold on his ability, as is Miles who has final say.
No other team has had a chance to see him in person afaik, and his film is of a young man still growing into his coordination and body.
Ole Miss had him as their #1 target for the OL, Nutt has a long history of spotting OL undervalued talent and taking it to 1st round draft ability. LSU saw him for a short period of time and coach Stud is 100% sold on his ability, as is Miles who has final say.
No other team has had a chance to see him in person afaik, and his film is of a young man still growing into his coordination and body.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 7:59 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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And you are?
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:00 pm to philter
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What we know is that he went to camps at LSU, OM, AU, and Bama. AU has never offered big linemen like that traditionally, it's not part of their philosophy although JW performed relatively well there. Bama evaluated him as a OG and told him they didn't have room for any more guards given their commitments and silents (Steen for example).
Ole Miss had him as their #1 target for the OL, Nutt has a long history of spotting OL undervalued talent and taking it to 1st round draft ability. LSU saw him for a short period of time and coach Stud is 100% sold on his ability, as is Miles who has final say.
No other team has had a chance to see him in person afaik, and his film is of a young man still growing into his coordination and body.
Right on. He must have improved over the summer (as I said earlier) to have impressed Les and Co.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:01 pm to lynxcat
I'm just afraid that this guy has Brad Smalling written all over him. 
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:01 pm to mikeytig
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A 340 lb OL that ran a 5.2? The time alone should be at least a 3 star should it not? any comments from the experts?
Thats exactly what I was thinking. I felt that his size alone would get him 3 stars based off potential. Maybe a low 3 star, but a 3 star nonetheless. I though he was a 5.5-5.6 3 star.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:02 pm to lynxcat
I'm glad you changed your tune, when I first proposed why he looked like he did in his film in the initial commitment thread you were not so open to him having possibly improved They have all the information, we have none.
They have all the information, we have none.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:02 pm to lynxcat
all first round draft picks that were 0, 2, or 3 star recruits
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:04 pm to TulaneTigerFan
Williford has good upper body strength as an offensive lineman. He has great size and a huge wing span. Comes off the ball high but with good power. Legs don't move like pistons but steadily pushes the defender off the line of scrimmage. Sometimes makes first blow delivery with his chest instead of his hands, needs to learn how to be more violent with the hands and get better extension. Lacks a lot of flexibility in the hips and knees. Solid when double team blocking because of size and power but sometimes loses balance do to being too high. Limited mobility when pulling but does a good job seeking out opponents. Potentially a good pass protector that takes up a lot of space and possesses long arms to create space between himself and the pass rusher. Williford is a strong offensive lineman that will have to play offensive guard because of his limited foot quickness and mobility. Scouts Inc.
He has size and long arms. Two things you cant teach. Les Miles knows offensive lineman and the coaches know how to work on a kids technique. Most experts say that offensive line is the toughest position to evaluate. I say Rivals is wrong. He was rated a 75 on Scouts Inc. Not bad. Certainly Scouts Inc thinks more of him than Rivals.
He has size and long arms. Two things you cant teach. Les Miles knows offensive lineman and the coaches know how to work on a kids technique. Most experts say that offensive line is the toughest position to evaluate. I say Rivals is wrong. He was rated a 75 on Scouts Inc. Not bad. Certainly Scouts Inc thinks more of him than Rivals.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:06 pm to Papa Purple and Gold
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all first round draft picks that were 0, 2, or 3 star recruits
I'm surprised there were that many 0 and 2 star guys. The percentages over time would say there shouldn't/wouldn't be that many.
3 stars are pretty common...around 9% rate of getting drafted I think (off the top of my head).
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:07 pm to CROWN N COKE
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I'm just afraid that this guy has Brad Smalling written all over him.
except Smalling was like a 4 or 5 star player
i hope Williford is strictly a OT. If he turns out to play G and we passed on Lewis i will be kind of pissed
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:07 pm to philter
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Bama evaluated him as a OG and told him they didn't have room for any more guards given their commitments and silents (Steen for example).
How do you know this?
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Ole Miss had him as their #1 target for the OL
How do you know this?
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Nutt has a long history of spotting OL undervalued talent and taking it to 1st round draft ability.
link?
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LSU saw him for a short period of time and coach Stud is 100% sold on his ability, as is Miles who has final say.
How do you know this? How do you know he isn't a "project"?
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his film is of a young man still growing into his coordination and body.
Let's hope so.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:07 pm to BayouCatFan
Acording to the Bama boards Saban is having second thoughts about letting this guy get away. He is still talking to the family.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:08 pm to BayouCatFan
Project player, we get one in every class. No big deal, he'll probably move up on the rankings now that hes on the radar for scouts. Underrated guy at a small school I presume.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:08 pm to Lester Earl
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i hope Williford is strictly a OT. If he turns out to play G and we passed on Lewis i will be kind of pissed
I think Lewis was a Center if LSU had taken him...not sure though.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:08 pm to BayouCatFan
i just watched his "new" videos on rivals.
he wasnt "unbelievable", but almost every play he pancaked the defender in front of him...not bad. with the right technique and coaching could be a really good one.
i for one think if you have depth already, take a shot on a guy who could be a diamond in the rough. if it doesnt work out, he'll probably transfer in 2 years anyway and free up the scholly
he wasnt "unbelievable", but almost every play he pancaked the defender in front of him...not bad. with the right technique and coaching could be a really good one.
i for one think if you have depth already, take a shot on a guy who could be a diamond in the rough. if it doesnt work out, he'll probably transfer in 2 years anyway and free up the scholly
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