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re: 19-30 passing, connecting with 7 different receivers...
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:34 am to OneMoreTime
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:34 am to OneMoreTime
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Harris in the bowl game against texas tech. He also did it against Ole Miss last year
well, that shuts me up
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:36 am to LSU GrandDad
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but, first poor performance he has; they'll be back.
it's the LSU way.
Should the LSU way be putting up with an offense and personnel decisions that can't get 70 yards in half, over 100 yards passing in a game, over 52% completion percentages, over 17 points in a game?
How is it the fans fault that Les Miles does stupid things that make him lose games and make his qbs look like total hacks?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:37 am to clamdip
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Didn't Pocic's penalty also wipe out a hugely important 1st down pass to a TE?
Believe that was to Dural.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:40 am to Salmon
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true...but we did have more targets
3 total. Complete pass to Moreau and 2 targets to Jeter.
I'm not really supporting or denying the TE narrative, just trying to remember how the game went.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:41 am to slackster
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3 total
I'll take it
also love the RBs getting involved in the passing game
LF has great hands
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:41 am to slackster
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We only had one completion to the TE though, right?
I think so, one of the throws the TE was wide open rt next to first down marker but Danny throws that out to wr further up the field for a completion.
The tes have been used since cam got here. Compared to how much LSU actually threw it, they still got a good amount of targets. But it's up to the qb to use them, not just force shite to #15. And Mett had Landry and Beckham, so they should have had the majority of targets.l
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 11:43 am
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:44 am to jptiger2009
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Message 19-30 passing, connecting with 7 different receivers
He ended the game right where I wanted to see him numbers wise. Just wish the offense wouldn't have gotten so sloppy so he would have hit it in the third quarter and given Harris a chance to get 10 or so throws in the fourth.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:44 am to slackster
I don't really care about the TE targets, per se, or different receivers.
I care about a QB and offensive scheme exploiting what the defense is giving them. That measn a QB who can actually employ Cameron's progressions, check downs, etc.
And I *really* care about a QB who is heady and extends drives when he has to. Etling improvised at least 3-4 times in plays that directly led to extending drives on 3rd down.
From the perspective of an LSU fan watching our QB play under Miles, I'm relatively giddy right now.
My only real concerns at this point are our OL (health and performance), and certain obvious elements of special teams.
I care about a QB and offensive scheme exploiting what the defense is giving them. That measn a QB who can actually employ Cameron's progressions, check downs, etc.
And I *really* care about a QB who is heady and extends drives when he has to. Etling improvised at least 3-4 times in plays that directly led to extending drives on 3rd down.
From the perspective of an LSU fan watching our QB play under Miles, I'm relatively giddy right now.
My only real concerns at this point are our OL (health and performance), and certain obvious elements of special teams.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:46 am to therick711
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How is it the fans fault that Les Miles does stupid things that make him lose games and make his qbs look like total hacks?
Because on the flip side he's done a bunch of things that wins games and make his qbs and offense look like the best LSU has ever had.
The scheme has never been the problem. It's the recruiting the qb spot that has.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:49 am to dgnx6
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The scheme has never been the problem.
Never? Really?
LINK
Is this anecdote not problematic for you?
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It's the recruiting the qb spot that has.
If he can't recruit the most important spot on the field he has to be fired. I think we all agree with that. If the scheme can only accommodate someone at LSU once every 5 years or so, isn't that a problem with the scheme too?
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 11:52 am
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:51 am to clamdip
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I'm relatively giddy right now.
Understandable.
I'm not nearly as big a fan of the "check downs" as the rest of the board seems to be, but I understand why they're needed in this kind of offense. I'd like to see Etling be a little more cautious on his scrambles, particularly when he simply is not going to get the 1st down. No need to take an unnecessary hit to still be short 2-3 yards.
Other than that, I appreciate the direction the offense seems to be headed.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:52 am to slackster
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'm not nearly as big a fan of the "check downs" as the rest of the board seems to be
explain
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:53 am to clamdip
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And I *really* care about a QB who is heady and extends drives when he has to. Etling improvised at least 3-4 times in plays that directly led to extending drives on 3rd down. From the perspective of an LSU fan watching our QB play under Miles, I'm relatively giddy right now.
My attitude right now is such a contrast to my attitude after the Wisky game. I am not saying that we are going to win the SEC West, but I can sure as Hell hope that we can. Now with Etling at the helm, I can hope in a great season. And what is there to lose? Miles Will be gone after this season, so why not hope for a good one.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:01 pm to Salmon
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explain
This place seems to be giddy with every check down. Dumping it off just for the sake of doing so isn't necessarily a good thing. By no means do I support forcing passes that aren't there, but you could lose some of the verticality that this offense has had in the past if you don't take a few deep shots instead of the 2 yard dump off.
I'm not really critical of the way Etling has managed it, more so with how much the rant seems to love it.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:02 pm to slackster
quote:I think the handling of these things in Cam's scheme is huge. I think BH6 had a tendency to telegraph his primary targets. A big tendency. Defenses can watch film and know this. If you are focused on primary targets in certain formations, then the defense can come in with a huge advantage... it will make the working of the offense harder on everybody; the QB, the OL, the WRs who are in tighter windows, etc. I don't think it's being overstated here. Just imo.
I'm not nearly as big a fan of the "check downs" as the rest of the board seems to be, but I understand why they're needed in this kind of offense.
quote:Fricking this. And can we please stop throwing to Eling in the flat and getting his knees exposed? It was one stupid call to J.D.Moore last year that got him lost for the season. How much more vulnerable is your QB? They need to burn that play.
I'd like to see Etling be a little more cautious on his scrambles, particularly when he simply is not going to get the 1st down. No need to take an unnecessary hit to still be short 2-3 yards.
quote:The season has gone from a sure loss to one of hope. No way this team could beat Bama without ridiculous improvement, but the schedule sets up nicely for a step up in competition until then.
Other than that, I appreciate the direction the offense seems to be headed.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:06 pm to jptiger2009
At the half he was 11 for 14, 172 yds with one bad drop.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:08 pm to slackster
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but you could lose some of the verticality that this offense has had in the past if you don't take a few deep shots instead of the 2 yard dump off.
I, too, am concerned that we could lose some of the trademark verticality that produced the 106th best passing offense in the country.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:15 pm to slackster
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We only had one completion to the TE though, right?
You clearly have more time on your hands than I do.
How many TE's have been targeted by Etling in 2 games compared to Harris in 2015 and 2016?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:16 pm to therick711
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I, too, am concerned that we could lose some of the trademark verticality that produced the 106th best passing offense in the country.
I understand that the concept is difficult for some of you to understand. While checking down should be used when necessary, sometimes it is more effective to take a deep shot and give your guy a chance in order to keep the defense honest.
Etling has taken a few deep shots, but they haven't been very successful vs. JSU and MSU (although he did hit Chark on essentially a 47 yard pass play for the TD). It is an area that could use some improvement, particularly if the WRs continue to see man coverage.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:30 pm to slackster
Strangely enough, the one thing Harris was really good at was throwing the ball deep. I agree Etling needs to add this weapon to the arsenal. I think what excited peoples is the fact that the list of things Etling does better than Harris could be summed up as "Everything Else".
The virtue of the check down is not the check down in and of itself, but the ability to make good, quick decisions.
The virtue of the check down is not the check down in and of itself, but the ability to make good, quick decisions.
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