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Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:21 pm to Nuts4LSU
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:21 pm to Nuts4LSU
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you might as well give up before it starts
This scares me, but I'll be brave and fight on. Your 12,000 posts tell me "back off man, he's scalped many a ranter within those posts, he's obviously an internet alpha-dog." But fuggit.
Nick Saban - wasn't first choice. Remember, Rich Rodriguez turned them down before Saban. I came up with that name right off the top of my head without any real thinking about it. If I remember correctly, there was a long list of declines making it a debacle. There were even jokes like "Honk your horn if you've turned down the Alabama job". You don't remember that though - before your last movement. If you don't think the revolving door at bama's HC position had anything to do with all of the turn-downs, you're sadly mistaken.
The rest of your list there is made up of coaches who replaced bad coaches. None of the replacees had a resume even close to what Miles has done at LSU.
Oh, and the raiders - you seriously don't think that the recent past has anything to do with why they hire dipshits like Lane Kiffin now? Al Davis can afford any coach he wants. Why doesn't he get them? Because they know how he treats HC's.
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Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:21 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Nick Saban (twice)
Bobby Petrino
Tommy Tuberville
Mack Brown
Urban Meyer
Jim Tressel
Mark Richt
Bob Stoops
Dennis Franchione (twice)
Nick Saban (twice) - 1st time, looking to move up in the world. 2nd time getting the hell out of Dodge
Bobby Petrino - looking to get the hell out of Dodge
Tommy Tuberville - looking for relevance
Mack Brown - took over after a 4-7 year
Urban Meyer - looking to move up in the world
Jim Tressel - not even a head coach
Mark Richt - Really? What has he done better than Miles?
Bob Stoops - not even a head coach
Dennis Franchione (twice) - Really?
These are piss poor examples of "world class coaches" leaving a major program after a questionable firing
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:23 pm to TheDiesel
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would show that we firmly believe that money is no object and winning is the only thing that matters.
Do you think this is really in doubt? If we can pay Les Miles $4 million a year, can money really be an object? And do you really care about the coach's personality if he's winning the SEC West every year and the overall SEC and national titles every other year?
Don't delude yourself. We'd pay $10 million a year to Adolf Hitler and shower him with our devotion if he produced results like Saban is at Alabama. It's about winning, and nothing else.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:25 pm to Nuts4LSU
Our one win in those two years was at home in OT, too. Just thought I'd throw that in there. 
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:39 pm to bobby bouchet
I'm not really sure why anyone would want to even discuss our head coaching situation at this point in time.
It is what it is, and definitely won't be different for the 2010 season.
LSU could very well start out 5-0 next season, and still finish 8-4 or 7-5. Same head coach, same OC, same QB does not equal different results down the stretch. There are some things to be positive about if you live and die LSU football, but I wouldn't count on seeing no changes at the end of this next season.
And, as far as replacing coaches goes, there are very few jobs in the country as attractive as LSU's will be if and when Miles is no longer here, esp. with the class of '11.
They would be willing to take a million dollar pay cut from Miles' present salary. Establishing good PR would be a cinch, and any correct use of the clock would give them instant credibility.
It is what it is, and definitely won't be different for the 2010 season.
LSU could very well start out 5-0 next season, and still finish 8-4 or 7-5. Same head coach, same OC, same QB does not equal different results down the stretch. There are some things to be positive about if you live and die LSU football, but I wouldn't count on seeing no changes at the end of this next season.
And, as far as replacing coaches goes, there are very few jobs in the country as attractive as LSU's will be if and when Miles is no longer here, esp. with the class of '11.
They would be willing to take a million dollar pay cut from Miles' present salary. Establishing good PR would be a cinch, and any correct use of the clock would give them instant credibility.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:52 pm to RobbBobb
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So by your logic, 64 more yds per game, LSU should go back to JLee, right?
When has JJ ever put the team on his back and won a game? Hell, he convinced the OC to give the ball to Scott in the Georgia game.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:55 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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When has JJ ever put the team on his back and won a game? Hell, he convinced the OC to give the ball to Scott in the Georgia game.
you're in trouble now
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:57 pm to deuce985
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What do you think co-retards would do with the worst d-line LSU has had in recent memory?
That Miles recruited.
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If you want to play the defense made the offense worse card...you can say the same thing for offense.
Most certainly. Both were equally frustrating to watch last season.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:58 pm to RobbBobb
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you're in trouble now
Why is that?
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:58 pm to RobbBobb
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Jim Tressel - not even a head coach
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Bob Stoops - not even a head coach
There's no telling what this is supposed to mean
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Mark Richt - Really? What has he done better than Miles?
Nothing really significantly better but his first 5 years were pretty successful. He won 2 SEC titles and 52 games. Won 9 games in 2006, 11 in 2007, 10 in 2008, and 8 this year. He's won 7 bowl games. He's won .769 percent of his games. That's not bad.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 11:04 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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Why is that?
TheDocs JJ signal just went off. He'll be in here soon.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 11:06 pm to RobbBobb
Just for the record, my post was not a vote for JL. They both aren't that great.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 8:58 am to tiger4178
For the 50'th. time,Les is caption of the ship! He chose to keep Crowton so if it don't work out its Les;s fault! 
Posted on 2/19/10 at 9:17 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
I believe that they held JJ back because Crowton was afraid of another "pick 6" fiasco. With Gonzo coming in...look for that to change this season. LSU wins the West.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 9:21 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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The inept offense deflected from seeing the problems of the defense. Did he do a better job than the co-dummies? Certainly, but a mushroom could have could have done better than those clowns.
The defense was very good. You are having trouble differentiating not dominating with bad.
Our defense was the reason for every single bit of success we did have this year.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 9:29 am to moneyg
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Our total defense (yards given up) ended up ranked 26th. To think that having the 26th ranked defense was a major contributing factor to having the 112th ranked offense (yards gained) is ridiculously illogical.
If you expect logic from most agenda driven Miles bashers, you will be sorely disappointed.
There is NO logic in calling for the firing or continual bashing of the most or one of the must successful HC in LSU history at this time.
The bashers do show us how great it has been in the past 10 yrs to have been an LSU fan.
A 9 win regular season, a 3rd place finish in the toughest college football conference in the world, a New Year Day Bowl invite, and a national ranking have become a disappointment to some and a firing offense to others.
Yeah boy, I can see the top line current HC's fighting with each other to get a some of that action.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 10:52 am to RobbBobb
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These are piss poor examples of "world class coaches" leaving a major program after a questionable firing
They are all good coaches, but that isn't even the point. The point is that they were coaches that a school wanted after a controversial firing of the previous coach, and they did not shy away from the job out of concern about their predecessor being treated fairly. And, by the way, Tressel was a head coach before he was hired at Ohio State, albeit in FCS at Youngstown State. And yes, a lot of them took the jobs looking for relevance or an opportunity to move up in the world or to get out of a situation they couldn't handle in the NFL. And there are a lot of them out there still trying to do one or more of those things.
The idea that no coach would come to LSU if we fired Miles is ludicrous. It's the same argument that has been made for literally every coach who has ever been on the hotseat, and it has NEVER had any validity.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 11:03 am to bobby bouchet
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Nick Saban - wasn't first choice.
He certainly would have been their first choice (if he wasn't), but they didn't think they could get him away from the NFL at first.
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Rich Rodriguez turned them down before Saban.
Yes, but there's no reason to think it was because of perceived unfairness in their dealings with Shula. After all, he took the Michigan job a year later after they fired a guy who did even better than Shula did at Alabama.
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there was a long list of declines making it a debacle
Yes, because there was the perception that Alabama's talent was bad, they were still reeling from probation and they had an administration that seemed chaotic and disorganized.
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You don't remember that though - before your last movement.
I guarantee you I remember more about LSU, SEC and NCAA football than you will ever know.
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If you don't think the revolving door at bama's HC position had anything to do with all of the turn-downs, you're sadly mistaken.
It wasn't a matter of the revolving door, it was a matter of lots of things, including a bumbling administration that looked for all the world like it was lost.
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The rest of your list there is made up of coaches who replaced bad coaches. None of the replacees had a resume even close to what Miles has done at LSU.
Cooper was pretty good at Ohio State, and his last three years before getting fired were almost identical to the last three years under Miles. As for being bad coaches, there was doubt about that at the time they were fired. The fan bases were divided. And fans of those schools were saying exactly the same thing you are saying right now. And they were just as wrong as you are.
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Oh, and the raiders - you seriously don't think that the recent past has anything to do with why they hire dipshits like Lane Kiffin now? Al Davis can afford any coach he wants. Why doesn't he get them? Because they know how he treats HC's.
It's a lot more than that. Davis doesn't let a coach do his job. He's too much of a micromanager, then blames the coach when it doesn't go well. He is a VERY lonely island in the ocean of schools and teams that have had no trouble replacing a coach that not everyone agreed should be replaced.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 11:45 am to tiger4178
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Les is 1-? against our top rivals, Florida,Alabama,Arkansas, and Ole Piss the past 3 years....
It's actually 4-8 the last three years and I agree that is unacceptable and must be turned around this season with at least 3 wins out of those 4 games. That being said, the statement about possibly being difficult to get an upper echelon coach in to replace LM if he were fired under the circumstances has some credence.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:27 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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I can see the top line current HC's fighting with each other to get a some of that action.
If it's so bad, then why does Miles want the job? Why doesn't he just resign and go to one of those other schools who are knocking down his door?
If we offered a salary in the same range we're paying Miles, with our program's other resources and advantages, we'd have no trouble getting a very highly desired coach to come here.
This argument for propping up Miles has no more validity now than it's had the last hundred or so times it's been trotted out to prop up a failing coach.
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