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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:56 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:56 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Dude, get real. Those are the numbers for HC's in the SEC and other top programs.
Ed Orgeron is an experimental process. The purpose was to have a cheaper deal with the HC with more expensive coordinators.
To date - the total offensive production has trended downward.
The defense has continued to perform with a predated hire.
Still no top 3 recruiting class.
Still not even a top 2 finish in his own division.
A 1 million dollar raise would put him getting 200k more a year than Miles was making.
Give me one objective reason why he should have such a large buyout? His literal only accomplishment is going to a new years 6 bowl - which ironically occurred in spite of LSU's record, not because of it. The playoff era has made entry into New Years 6 bowls much more subjective - otherwise Texas A&M would have went and not us.
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:01 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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$148 million — Texas A&M football's annual average revenue, making the Aggies the country's most valuable college football team. The Aggies overthrew in-state rival Texas, which falls to the No. 2 spot on our list. What can A&M fans attribute their school's success to? Millions in alumni contributions, ticket revenue and royalties, and their $41 million revenue distribution check from the SEC.
For the 2017 year LSU brought in $147 million. That info was in the Advocate. Poor little ole LSU is always in the top 6 or 7 nationally for Athletic Dept Income and LSU does it with zero state dollars as it is not allowed for 1 single education dollar from the State to go toward athletics.
I think the current number for A&M is higher than the 148 you list.
Regardless of the number A&M publishes it includes donations for the recent A&M Stadium Expansion. The same situation existed at Arkansas a few years ago when they renovated and expended their stadium. For a couple of years Arkansas led the nation in value.
Just wait and see. If Jimbo turns in a couple more 8 or 9 win seasons watch how the Booger Eaters at A&M turn on Jimbo and they are stuck. Not to mention Jimbo's recruiting tactics and his personal life escapades.
It is a stupid contract and the OP was correct in pointing out how LSU has not been compromised or abused by Orgeron's contract. As a matter of fact, LSU is free of Les Miles' contract.
So all the bitching from the Rantards is once again shown to be uninformed idiocy by numbskulls.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 8:09 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:04 am to TrevRollings29
Dude do you ever get tired of this?
I just can’t imagine how bad it must suck to day in and day out cry whine and bitch about LSU’s head football coach... especially considering how things are currently going.
It’s a long time till next August.
Admins should do you a favor and give you the banhammer.
I just can’t imagine how bad it must suck to day in and day out cry whine and bitch about LSU’s head football coach... especially considering how things are currently going.
It’s a long time till next August.
Admins should do you a favor and give you the banhammer.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:11 am to TrevRollings29
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Ed Orgeron is an experimental process. The purpose was to have a cheaper deal with the HC with more expensive coordinators.
The experiment is over. Coach O brought home the bacon with a Top-10 final ranking.
Time to pay the man the normal rate.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 8:12 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:12 am to p&g
Agree 100%.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:18 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Wait are you telling me Ed’s buyout is below where it should be? Impossible. All the bellyachers here have been whining that it’s insane that he has so high of a buyout
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:22 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Coach O brought home the bacon with a Top-10 final ranking.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:24 am to Hot Carl
quote:Then his point would be retarded since the average buyout means nothing - actual worth is all that matters. No want else wants O - not even a local high school. That means his value is next to nothing. And if Aranda gets the itch to be a head coach, we need O's buyout to be low to kick him to the curb for DA, since he is much more valuable.
His point could be that all the bitches whining about Orgeron’s extension have no idea what they’re talking about regarding this issue, and should probably just shut the frick up
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 8:25 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:26 am to Hot Carl
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Oh really? Perhaps we should get the OP to weigh in.
He has. And his point seems to be that O should have comparable contractual terms to other SEC coaches, which is exactly what I thought his point was. It also happens to be contrary to one of the selling points for O when he was hired.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:27 am to The Pirate King
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Wait are you telling me Ed’s buyout is below where it should be? Impossible. All the bellyachers here have been whining that it’s insane that he has so high of a buyout
What? This makes no sense. Try to keep up with the conversation.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:29 am to The First Cut
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The obvious point is this. They also don’t realize he’s tied for the shortest termed contract in the SEC.
Another one who can’t think beyond step one. I bet you, hot Carl and pirate king are great chess players.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:33 am to Mo Jeaux
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Another one who can’t think beyond step one.
It’s quite obviously you that can’t see beyond step one. Only three SEC coaches’ contracts expire in 2021, one of them Moorhead, is getting an extension. Prospects want stability in the coaching staff. LSU target Koy Moore just reopened his recruiting over USC’s instability.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:35 am to The First Cut
Still missing the point. At some point, you should put the shovel down.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:37 am to The First Cut
Because Helton is about to be fired.
Not because he didn’t get an extension.
Not because he didn’t get an extension.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:39 am to K_Tiger
To pull him away from FSU to a Beta program like A&M
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:40 am to Mo Jeaux
What shovel?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:42 am to SammyTiger
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Because Helton is about to be fired.
It’s more about the turnover with assistants. But none of that is the point. When you have the shortest contract in the SEC it’s used against you in recruiting.
Kids want to know who they’ll be playing for.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 8:45 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:47 am to The First Cut
So should his buyout be renegotiated along with this extension? If so, how?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:49 am to The Pirate King
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Wait are you telling me Ed’s buyout is below where it should be? Impossible. All the bellyachers here have been whining that it’s insane that he has so high of a buyout
I don't think it's so much that O's buyout is "high" as much as the fact that he has a buyout at all.
Orgeron has ZERO negotiating leverage against LSU. There is not another power 5 program in America that would be willing to pay him $3.5 million per year, nor fully/partially guarantee such contract. Orgeron's power conf. HC market is limited to ONE school...LSU.
I'm not saying LSU is thinking about firing Orgeron or even that they should be considering such action at this point in his tenure. But, it's foolish not to acknowledge that circumstances can change. We ALL hope he doesn't, but LSU could regress and significantly underachieve next year and the year after that. If that is the case, why would you want to uncessarily make it more onerous to make a coaching change (even if it is less onerous relative to other SEC HC's)?
Alleva did EXACTLY that with Johnny Jones on the basketball side. Like Orgeron, LSU was Jones' ONLY major conf market. Also like O, his initial salary was relatively "cheap". After two seasons where the program improved, but didn't accomplish anything monumental (one NIT appearance), Alleva gave Jones a raise and extended his contract by two years, fully guaranteeing the extension. Jones had some recruiting momentum and it was understandable to make sure he at least (perception-wise) had a 4 year contract in name only. But no other was coming after Jones. Like O, he had a market of ONE.
Ultimately, and not unexpectedly, Jones underachieved. The failure to reach the NCAAT with the Simmons team was the apex of that underachievement and it was abundantly clear then that Jones was never going to be the HC who would get LSU to a championship level program (or even just a consistent NCAAT team). Unfortunately, Jones' unnecessary buyout made it cost prohibitive to cut ties with Jones when LSU should have done so. Particularly in light of the fact that LSU was likely (and did) on the verge of making a HC change in football. As a result, Jones hung on for a year too long and bottomed out the program in the process.
Point being, why bid against yourself only to unnecessarily handcuff yourself later on if the need arises to make a change? If's O's market increases outside of LSU and above $3.5 mill, then deal with it at that time by matching/beating the competitor's offer.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:50 am to Mo Jeaux
I don’t care about buyouts like the snowflakes here. I just want a longer term deal so we don’t lose on the Surtains of the future. Do what 130 other D1 ADs are doing and provide the facade of stability. He’s going to get fired if he fails no matter how long is left on his contract.
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