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re: Basis for changing QB's...What makes sense?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:05 pm to ForeLSU
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:05 pm to ForeLSU
How can you bash a QB who went 11-2 last year and a thrashing of A & M in the bowl game. Also beat Bama and only lost to Auburn the Nat. Champs by three points. No coach in America would bench a starting QB who has accomplished this to a guy who has been backing up this starter for years.
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Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:06 pm to TIsuGGER
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If he was a liability in 2010, what in the hell was JL?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:06 pm to Srbtiger06
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Kinda tough when he didn't even complete 8 passes in 6 of 13 games last year
boomPosted on 9/19/11 at 1:06 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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If JL is that great of a QB, again and again again, why was he not named the started BEFORE THIS SEASON?
first of all, he's not a great QB...but many times competition is too close to call so the incumbent keeps the job. However when the backup gets a shot he performs better. The Booty / Davey situation after Davey came back from injury comes to mind.
Frankly if this is the offense we were going to run anyway, I think Lee and JJ are probably interchangeable. I'm not willing to take 10 touches away from Ware, Ford, OBJ and Randle to give JJ some runs.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:08 pm to Antonio Moss
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You're missing one huge variable there, hoss.
Actually hes not taking into account 3 HUGE variables. I think the offensive numbers are phenomal considering:
1) Krags stepping down
2) RS suspension
3) Shadys distraction
Now list for me the obstacles the team faced going into '10?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:08 pm to CptBengal
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that's not a stat.
Right, but it's a huge variable (in fact, I'll argue its the biggest variable) in the offense over this season and last.
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I know it hurts, but the offense is better this year with JL at the helm than was last years.
And yet, the offense with JJ at the helm in Dallas last season, when Crowton was not forming the game plan and calling plays, looked pretty freaking good.
In fact, if you break it down by statistics, the Cotton Bowl is much closer to the offensive performances this year and anything last year.
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Would JJ have done well? who knows. What we do know is:
Who knows is right.
However, we can make an assumption that based on the style of play and offense, that our offense under Jefferson would be improved, at minimum, compared to last year.
I've been preaching for three years that problem with the offense was in the booth and not on the field. And with every week, it seems like I'm getting closer and closer to being proven correct.
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1) JL is playing well and is the starter
Yes.
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2) JJ is still INDEFINITELY SUSPENDED and hasn't practiced in over a month, with no end in sight
Yes.
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3) LSU is 3-0 against 2 top 25 teams on the road
Yes.
All of that is indisputable.
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This all leads to the fact that JJ is likely done getting snaps at LSU, period.
I'm not sure I'd jump to that conclusion just yet.
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MAYBE if he comes back in a few weeks he might get some packages during the bowl game...maybe, if he comes back in the next 3 weeks (unlikely)
If he comes back in the next three weeks, I guarantee you he'd play long before the bowl game.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:08 pm to TIsuGGER
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No one but you agrees that we go 11-2 with JJ alone. In fact, 9-4 is a given.
Please explain your logic here? Same QB coming back off of an 11-2 campaign who has improved from last year and you expect a drop off?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:10 pm to just me
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You really can't be this dumb
He thinks JJ is an "arrested felon".
Lee is doing ok and I would be surprised to see Coach change the starting QB considering the 3-0 start.
LSU was better last season for having JJ/JL ready to play and they would be better this season having JL/JJ ready to play this Saturday or the next or the next. imo
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:10 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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How can you bash a QB who went 11-2 last year
JJ did not go "11-2" the team did
maybe you forgot about patrick petersons PR for the go ahead score against WVU?
or JL's 4th down conversion against UT?
or 3rd down and long against bama?
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and a thrashing of A & M in the bowl game.
JJ's stats weren't that great actually. he was efficient, and threw three TD's. but let's not pretend he lit the world on fire
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:11 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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Do you know for a fact we going 11-2 with JL?
We will. And when was the last 2 times JJ went start to finish in a big game when he had to make a big play? JL has twice in the past 3 weeks
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Going into the season, JJ was the starter so obviously he was better tham JL going into the season
What are you going to say. Are QB is still mediocre. Coach Miles said in an interview with ESPN on Sept 5 that JL had loss weight and was in shape and battling for the starting job
And a nice blog on Lee ESPN
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Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:11 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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How can you bash a QB who went 11-2 last year and a thrashing of A & M in the bowl game. Also beat Bama and only lost to Auburn the Nat. Champs by three points. No coach in America would bench a starting QB who has accomplished this to a guy who has been backing up this starter for years.
I'm not bashing anyone...but you're last statement is your answer as to why Lee didn't win the starting job. That doesn't mean, however, that the offense can't be just as productive (or more productive) the Lee as the starter.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:11 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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who has improved from last year
Allegedly.
For whatever the reason, RR basically has back to back 100 yard receiving games, where he probably had two total over the last two years. Good for RR- he gets to showcase his ability.
Now we can argue if it is QB related or OC related, I guess.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:11 pm to ForeLSU
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I'm not willing to take 10 touches away from Ware, Ford, OBJ and Randle to give JJ some runs.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:12 pm to Antonio Moss
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f you break it down by statistics, the Cotton Bowl i
an N of 1 is not a pattern. It tells you absolutely NOTHING.
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However, we can make an assumption that based on the style of play and offense, that our offense under Jefferson would be improved, at minimum, compared to last year.
No, you can't. We know it is improved under Lee. You are projecting success onto JJ that doesn't have any merit behind it due to lack of data.
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I've been preaching for three years that problem with the offense was in the booth and not on the field. And with every week, it seems like I'm getting closer and closer to being proven correct.
:lmao: So the succes has nothing to do with the personnel?
But you KNOW the offense would have been better under JJ as you just purported?
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I guarantee you he'd play long before the bowl game.
yeah, 3rd strong would see action in mop ups I guess.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:12 pm to TIsuGGER
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Because getting a brand new OC, 2 weeks before the opener is the secret to success?
First, yes, getting a brand new OC two weeks before the opener compared to having Crowton is preferable.
Second, he wasn't brand new. Stud called the Cotton Bowl. Our offense was going to look like this regardless of Stud or Krags was calling plays.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:13 pm to RobbBobb
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Now list for me the obstacles the team faced going into '10?
An incompetent offensive coordinator
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:14 pm to Lithium
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Coach Miles said in an interview with ESPN on Sept 5 that JL had loss weight and was in shape and battling for the starting job
Wasn't it reported that Lee was getting time with the 1's after a scrimmage in the summer that JJ supposedly looked bad in? May be why Miles closed practice
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:14 pm to MandevilleLSUTiger
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JJ did not go "11-2" the team did
JL is not 3-0 the team is. OH my. No one can still answer the question, if JL is better why was he not named the starter this year? The starting job was still for JJ.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:15 pm to Antonio Moss
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True for the first half of the season.
I guess for a JJ fanboi the halfway point of a 13 game season is game 11 because game 10 was against ULM and JJ manufactured an astounding 47 yards of total offense which surprisingly enough wasnt even one of his worst games.
The JJ fanbois can cherry pic all they want but when your the 11th rated qb out of 12 in the SEC and the 100th rated out of 116 qb in the country you dont have much to stand on.
When your qb performs bad to horribly in 9 out of 13 games you would think you would make a change! But to prop up a guy who statistically was one of the worst qb's in the country????????
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Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:16 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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LSU was better last season for having JJ/JL ready to play and they would be better this season having JL/JJ ready to play this Saturday or the next or the next. imo
ok, I'll be the one....LSU would be better this season if Mett was ready to play with JL/JJ as backups.
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