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re: Basketball fouls
Posted on 2/9/22 at 12:20 pm to VL Lsutiger
Posted on 2/9/22 at 12:20 pm to VL Lsutiger
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The charge fouls have to chill its ridiculousin college bball, Texas A&M was more concerned about taking charges than actually playing defense
Coaches have caught on that refs love calling charges. Go watch some high school games. Lots of coaches actively coach their teams to fake charges instead of rotating over to play defense.
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 12:46 pm to Fleur De Lethal
quote:I agree there are too many charges called and it slows down the game. I'm trying to think of fixes, and maybe one is that a charge can only occur on the on-ball defender. If a helping defender gets run over, maybe it's just a no-call if in the act of shooting.
Coaches have caught on that refs love calling charges. Go watch some high school games. Lots of coaches actively coach their teams to fake charges instead of rotating over to play defense.
ETA: I realize this probably won't work, because the offensive player will just plow into the helping defender, knowing he won't get called for a charge. But still, I'm just looking for solutions to the current problem.
This post was edited on 2/9/22 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 2/9/22 at 1:04 pm to Portcityblues
The primary goal of LSU's defensive approach is to create deflections/steals. This year they have hit that goal as they currently lead the nation in steals per defensive possession. Forcing those steals is often times a result of aggression and overplay which, when you miss the steal/deflection may result in a foul. The saying of in order to make and omelet you have to break a few eggs probably applies. The fouls can be frustrating...but you are getting a return on the over-aggression in turnovers.
On offense, the charges many times are a result of LSU telegraphing their drives...thus allowing defenders to get set in advance. The two biggest offenders are Eason and Gaines. They will hesitate in searching for a driving lane before ultimately deciding to drive. That moment of hesitation allows the defense to react. Compare that with someone like Pinson. When a lane opens he doesn't hesitate. But more than that, when a lane isn't immediately open he has the savvy and experience to change speeds and start/stop to create a driving opportunity where the defense can't set up for a charge.
Remember, Gaines and Eason are 2nd year players. Skylar Mays had issues with charges in his first and second year. He then had the experience in years 3-4 to understand when and how to drive without allowing the defense to set up for an easy charge.
Some guys are naturally great at driving. Waters was. Smart was excellent at using a euro step, shooting off the wrong foot, or just pulling up for a floater in order to avoid the charge. For others, it takes time to get there.
On offense, the charges many times are a result of LSU telegraphing their drives...thus allowing defenders to get set in advance. The two biggest offenders are Eason and Gaines. They will hesitate in searching for a driving lane before ultimately deciding to drive. That moment of hesitation allows the defense to react. Compare that with someone like Pinson. When a lane opens he doesn't hesitate. But more than that, when a lane isn't immediately open he has the savvy and experience to change speeds and start/stop to create a driving opportunity where the defense can't set up for a charge.
Remember, Gaines and Eason are 2nd year players. Skylar Mays had issues with charges in his first and second year. He then had the experience in years 3-4 to understand when and how to drive without allowing the defense to set up for an easy charge.
Some guys are naturally great at driving. Waters was. Smart was excellent at using a euro step, shooting off the wrong foot, or just pulling up for a floater in order to avoid the charge. For others, it takes time to get there.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 1:25 pm to josh336
Jalen Cook did this a lot last season, he would start falling before the offensive player touched him
He got a lot of flop warnings
He got a lot of flop warnings
Posted on 2/9/22 at 2:02 pm to AlecRock23
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Jalen Cook did this a lot last season, he would start falling before the offensive player touched him
He got a lot of flop warnings
Not to rag on Cook but a lot of guys who cant defend very well do this. It's their way of getting bailed out on the defensive end. A&M was flopping all over the place against us because they couldnt defend our length. Cook has some limitations defensively so trying to take charges helps alleviate that.
The problem with being so focused on taking charges while it's great to get a couple a game it's not a way to consistently play defense. You might get 2 in a game but if you give up 20+ points how far did you really get simply not defending well and taking a couple charges?
Posted on 2/9/22 at 2:33 pm to Portcityblues
I’m not a referee conspiracist but will admit in last nights game it seemed the Aggie defenders were trapping the dribbler which was all good but it seemed alot of jump balls were called on tie ups when it pertain to LSU in possession…i get you can reach for the basketball but you can’t grab a players arm(s) to try and rip the basketball from them…that is a FOUL…
Posted on 2/9/22 at 3:01 pm to DallasTiger45
I can't remember the specific play. I just know that I've seen traveling called while the defender's hand is on the ball repeatedly. I always thought that was a tied ball, and certainly not traveling.
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