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Posted on 1/14/10 at 1:16 pm to tiger20
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but you might want to ask Vanderbilt how many SEC titles and Final Fours they have in the past decade.
Who said Trent Johnson=Kevin Stallings?
Posted on 1/14/10 at 1:18 pm to RelientAA
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You dont think Brady was recruiting those guys when he was here
Maybe, but he also had commitments from Tommy Mason Griffin and Brandon Mitchell and had signed Jmison Morgan, plus high interest from Tiny Gallon and other well regarded recruits.
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Harris blows BTW and Spencer doesnt have to right attitude which Brady should have known when recruiting him
Harris is a freshman work in progress and shows a lot of potential.
Where are all those who gushed over what a great job Johnson was doing last year with turning around Spencer's attitude. Seems like winning has a 1000 fathers and losing is an orphan.
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Obviously you are missing my point. Brady had the talent to do this and more, but he is a TERRIBLE COACH. To think otherwise is ignorant. If you know any phylosophy about basketball you would understand Brady was horrible at coaching
How much more should he have done given what had transpired from 1994 through 2002 with losing seasons, NCAA probation and devestating injuries to Lamont Roland, Brad Bridgewater, Collis Temple III and the defection of Stromile Swift and Kedrick Brown to the NBA?
Posted on 1/14/10 at 1:20 pm to RelientAA
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Why is this a fantasy? There have been many many stars that stayed for 4 years of college
Yes, but very seldom do they win titles and make Final Fours without a big star leading the way.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 1:24 pm to tiger20
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Where are all those who gushed over what a great job Johnson was doing last year with turning around Spencer's attitude.
Of course he had a good attitude when winning but Bo is not a true point guard. He is a scorer at heart.
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How much more should he have done given what had transpired from 1994 through 2002 with losing seasons,
He did okay with the talent he had, but with the talent he was able to recruit, he did a shitty job of coaching. I have been going to the games for most of my life and studied the game and the way he coached. We always looked lost and the talent just took over. Take Coach K for instance. One of the greatest coaches ever and he recruits great talent that stays for 4 years that he COACHES. Same thing with Bobby Knight. TJ is trying to do the same and I applaud him for it.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 1:40 pm to RelientAA
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He did okay with the talent he had, but with the talent he was able to recruit, he did a shitty job of coaching. I have been going to the games for most of my life and studied the game and the way he coached. We always looked lost and the talent just took over. Take Coach K for instance. One of the greatest coaches ever and he recruits great talent that stays for 4 years that he COACHES. Same thing with Bobby Knight. TJ is trying to do the same and I applaud him for
How many Coach K's and Knights are there? Yeah, their players stay four years. Why not compae the backgrounds of their players to that of the players Brady recruited. Again, LSU does not have the status of Duke and Indiana and Brady did not have the luxury of being as selective. Be grateful for what was accomplished instead of taking pot shots.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 1:44 pm to tiger20
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Be grateful for what was accomplished instead of taking pot shots.
I am very greatful especially because this is when I really started to study the game. But you have to admit Brady was not a great COACH. True there arent many Knights and Coach K's but I applaud TJ for trying to create a sense of Student in the Student Athlete which is major factor overlooked by the Brady lovers. He didnt graduate but a few players in his tenure here.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 2:21 pm to RelientAA
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I am very greatful especially because this is when I really started to study the game. But you have to admit Brady was not a great COACH. True there arent many Knights and Coach K's but I applaud TJ for trying to create a sense of Student in the Student Athlete which is major factor overlooked by the Brady lovers. He didnt graduate but a few players in his tenure here.
Whether he was a great coach or not he certainly accomplished far more than anyone could have reasonably foreseen in March of 1997 given the moribund state of the program and the pending NCAA sanctions.
Whether players graduate or not is the responsibility of those players not their coaches. LSU provides all of the possible assistance allowed to it’s student athletes. The rest is up to them. While some may have not availed themselves of the opportunities there are other success stories that deserve more attention.
Brandon Bass was SEC student athlete of all sports in 2005. Collis Temple III, Brad Bridgewater, Garret Temple and Taz Mitchell were enrolled in grad school while completing their eligibility. Jack Warner and Brandon Landry graduated and have become successful business owners. Charlie Thompson is in med school. Darnell lazare graduated was an articulate representative of the university. There are others who did not graduate but have gone into the NBA after doing well academically while in school.
There are myriad reasons why some players don’t graduate and very few are related to the coach. Would you support retaining a coach who never won over half his games but graduated every player he signed? Like most of us you want winning players and hope they do well academically, right?
Posted on 1/14/10 at 2:47 pm to tiger20
I knew if I scrolled down long enough tiger20 would weigh in. Honestly, it is the only reason I clicked on this thread.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 4:10 pm to RelientAA
ill take that bet, so brady gets no credit for going to the final four, give me a break, someone coached them.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 4:22 pm to tiger20
i watched brady take the almighty Coach K to school a couple of years ago. Whats duke done in the last five years anyway. Ask any coach in the country if they would take brady's record here over ten years with 2 sec titles, 3 west titles, a final four, and HIS players won another sec title last year. its pretty impressive. someone did something right. firing brady was a mistake in my opinion.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 5:11 pm to tiger20
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Maybe, but he also had commitments from Tommy Mason Griffin and Brandon Mitchell and had signed Jmison Morgan, plus high interest from Tiny Gallon and other well regarded recruits.
This is false. Tommy Mason Griffin would have decommitted even if Brady had still been the coach. We had no chance at Tiny Gallon. Morgan was signed, and Mitchell was committed.
Also, to say we had a top 5 class before Brady was fired is outrageously false.
I'd also like some concrete information before believing that Trent has neglected to contact Bridgewater. He's been in close contact with Javon Felix and Ricardo Gathers, and he appears to have an accute sense of high school basketball within Louisiana.
I can't speak about the information pertaining to Collis Temple, but it would not surprise me.
Trent has signed an excellent class from top-to-bottom that will build the foundation for future success. If two freshman contribute next year, we'll actually have depth. Something Brady was never able to accomplish.
PG: Spencer/Bass/Stringer
SG: Spencer/Dotson/Turner
SF: Turner/Derenbecker
PF: Storm/Ludwig/Courtney/Harris
C: White/Harris
That's ten players. When was the last time during Brady's tenure when we had TEN players even on scholarship? Also, we'll have one senior on the roster next year. If we can stomach this year, and Trent recruits reasonably well for the 2011 class, our program will be revived.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 5:56 pm to tuptiger
You seem to be responding to several people. I will only refer to what I previously stated.
That is a good group, probably upper half of SEC if the sophs develop. Without a great player it is doubtful they contend for the SEC title.
They had depth in 2000, 2005, 2006 & 2009.
The first half of his tenure was affected by the almost barren team he inherited from Brown and then the NCAA sanctions. Injuries in 2001 & 2002 were devestating due to the lack of playrs when they could not recruit. After that the program competed well for 5 years, but would have been a real power if not for NBA defections.
2007 was an underachievement but still had big wins over Florida, Tennessee & UCONN. 2008 was injury marred.
It is interesting that you and others continue to give Trent a pass or willingly "stomach" a year ( or two) while he builds his program with his players. Yet, Brady's tenure is lumped together with little or no consideration of what he inherited and the effects of sanctions. It was mnot until 2003 they were able to recruit & compete on the same level as other programs and that 4 yer stretch was pretty darn good.
quote:There is no basis to believe Tommy Maason Griffin was going to decommit if Brady had stayed. They were in on Gallon so you can't rule it out.
This is false. Tommy Mason Griffin would have decommitted even if Brady had still been the coach. We had no chance at Tiny Gallon. Morgan was signed, and Mitchell was committed
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PG: Spencer/Bass/Stringer
SG: Spencer/Dotson/Turner
SF: Turner/Derenbecker
PF: Storm/Ludwig/Courtney/Harris
C: White/Harris
That is a good group, probably upper half of SEC if the sophs develop. Without a great player it is doubtful they contend for the SEC title.
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That's ten players. When was the last time during Brady's tenure when we had TEN players even on scholarship? Also, we'll have one senior on the roster next year. If we can stomach this year, and Trent recruits reasonably well for the 2011 class, our program will be revived.
They had depth in 2000, 2005, 2006 & 2009.
The first half of his tenure was affected by the almost barren team he inherited from Brown and then the NCAA sanctions. Injuries in 2001 & 2002 were devestating due to the lack of playrs when they could not recruit. After that the program competed well for 5 years, but would have been a real power if not for NBA defections.
2007 was an underachievement but still had big wins over Florida, Tennessee & UCONN. 2008 was injury marred.
It is interesting that you and others continue to give Trent a pass or willingly "stomach" a year ( or two) while he builds his program with his players. Yet, Brady's tenure is lumped together with little or no consideration of what he inherited and the effects of sanctions. It was mnot until 2003 they were able to recruit & compete on the same level as other programs and that 4 yer stretch was pretty darn good.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 9:23 pm to josh336
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Who said Trent Johnson=Kevin Stallings?
So will he be less than or more than?
Posted on 1/14/10 at 9:26 pm to tiger20
I don't know, but for you to assume he is equal is pretty ignorant
Posted on 1/14/10 at 9:43 pm to josh336
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don't know, but for you to assume he is equal is pretty ignorant
I am not stating he is equal, better or worse. That can be a fluid situation affected by many factors, some not always in the control of the coach. I am stating that Johnosn's recruiting philosophy to date seems very similar to Stallings. That is not a all bad. If Brady's record or Johnson's record looked like this how would he be treated on this board?
Vanderbilt (SEC East) (1999–present)
1999-2000 Vanderbilt 19-11 8-8 4th NIT First Round
2000-2001 Vanderbilt 15-15 4-12 6th
2001-2002 Vanderbilt 17-15 6-10 T-5th NIT Second Round
2002-2003 Vanderbilt 11-18 3-13 6th
2003-2004 Vanderbilt 23-10 8-8 T-3rd NCAA Sweet 16
2004-2005 Vanderbilt 20-14 8-8 3rd NIT Second Round
2005-2006 Vanderbilt 17-13 7-9 4th NIT First Round
2006-2007 Vanderbilt 22-12 10-6 2nd NCAA Sweet 16
2007-2008 Vanderbilt 26-8 10-6 3rd NCAA First Round
2008-2009 Vanderbilt 19-12 8-8 T-4th
2009-2010 Vanderbilt 13-3 2-0
Vanderbilt: 202-131 74-
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