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re: Bolden may have to sit out
Posted on 7/30/12 at 11:06 pm to JPLSU1981
Posted on 7/30/12 at 11:06 pm to JPLSU1981
Quite candidly, I'll take the "insurance". Mett's our man, but he is one good injury away..... I'd just as soon have an insurance guy on the sidelines just in case. No controversey - just playing safe. Like others, the coaches are getting paid to run the team, so we'll see.
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Posted on 7/30/12 at 11:50 pm to willeteal
My thoughts here, and I'll try to be serious about it (no baiting or flaming)
* the NCAA has stated that anyone who wants to transfer from Penn St to another school can do so without sitting out, and that they won't cost towards this year's scholarship numbers (unless they go to a school on probation, like USC or Ohio St, then they count).
So Bolden was technically granted his release to go elsewhere a week or so before this announcement; I just can't see the NCAA screwing him over and making him count/sit out. I'm pretty sure people have been in contact with the NCAA and will clear him before anything is done.
* the kid was a 4 star recruit, and had decent, not great, numbers as a freshman in 2010. What little I can gather, he lost his job at least in part due to an injury, and wanted to transfer. Paterno wouldn't release him, so he was riding the bench last year and had shitty stats.
So, he was considered a decent recruit, and was able to start as a freshman. Not awful so far. For whatever reason, he wanted out and a fresh start. Not terrible there either, things happen sometimes. Being forced to stay and then having bad stats; come on here. Maybe he could have handled things better, prepared better, but it's kind of bush league to not let him go too. Who knows, he's from Michigan and maybe he was gonna go to UM, I don't know.
* him coming to LSU... he wanted out anyway. Now he has a chance to go to possibly the best team in the country (incidentally, coached by a Michigan guy) instead of Div 1AA. Can't fault him for taking that route. As for LSU, we have 3 QBs on the roster, only 1 with any experience at all. Here a week or so before camp, you get the chance to add another guy, one who started a few times for Penn St, and he'd be available for use right away... it's not like you're filling next year's spots, you're adding depth this season. And again, he won't cost anyone else their spot.
What makes this a controversy? It's Mett's team, unless he gets hurt. That wouldn't change with any other QB coming here by any route. At the very least he makes for better practice depth; who knows, maybe Kragthorpe might be able to fix him. Other schools will raid Penn St for players too; we just got in early. Why not take advantage of the situation to address depth? And along those lines, what other position are we short at, besides QB?
* the NCAA has stated that anyone who wants to transfer from Penn St to another school can do so without sitting out, and that they won't cost towards this year's scholarship numbers (unless they go to a school on probation, like USC or Ohio St, then they count).
So Bolden was technically granted his release to go elsewhere a week or so before this announcement; I just can't see the NCAA screwing him over and making him count/sit out. I'm pretty sure people have been in contact with the NCAA and will clear him before anything is done.
* the kid was a 4 star recruit, and had decent, not great, numbers as a freshman in 2010. What little I can gather, he lost his job at least in part due to an injury, and wanted to transfer. Paterno wouldn't release him, so he was riding the bench last year and had shitty stats.
So, he was considered a decent recruit, and was able to start as a freshman. Not awful so far. For whatever reason, he wanted out and a fresh start. Not terrible there either, things happen sometimes. Being forced to stay and then having bad stats; come on here. Maybe he could have handled things better, prepared better, but it's kind of bush league to not let him go too. Who knows, he's from Michigan and maybe he was gonna go to UM, I don't know.
* him coming to LSU... he wanted out anyway. Now he has a chance to go to possibly the best team in the country (incidentally, coached by a Michigan guy) instead of Div 1AA. Can't fault him for taking that route. As for LSU, we have 3 QBs on the roster, only 1 with any experience at all. Here a week or so before camp, you get the chance to add another guy, one who started a few times for Penn St, and he'd be available for use right away... it's not like you're filling next year's spots, you're adding depth this season. And again, he won't cost anyone else their spot.
What makes this a controversy? It's Mett's team, unless he gets hurt. That wouldn't change with any other QB coming here by any route. At the very least he makes for better practice depth; who knows, maybe Kragthorpe might be able to fix him. Other schools will raid Penn St for players too; we just got in early. Why not take advantage of the situation to address depth? And along those lines, what other position are we short at, besides QB?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:39 am to JBeam
quote:Should've held out a few more days
he wanted a release last season. But, Joe Pa blocked it.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 5:48 am to Mayhawman
Dude was going to be 3rd on the depth chart at penn state. Who cares? How bad can rivers possibly be?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 6:13 am to ironsides
quote:I'll let the staff judge Rivers/Bolden abilities and no amount of pissNmoan from the Rant will change what they decide.
How bad can rivers possibly be?
Some on here already have Bolden pegged as Miles boy, taking the start away from Mettsiah.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 6:23 am to TigerStripes30
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So i was listenin college sports radio and idk if this was brought up earlier but Rob Bolden was released prior to sanctions so he may have to sit out a year if so do we still take this guy?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 7:08 am to TigerStripes30
Everyone needs to calm down...If for some reason Mett goes down with an injury, we'll just go back to playing without a QB like we've done for the past 3 seasons....sheesh people
Posted on 7/31/12 at 7:46 am to AcetheTigah
I hate you people. Yes. YOU people. FWIW I heard Paterno had not released him. Bolden wanted to transfer.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:26 am to ProjectP2294
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But we all know that the people that don't realize how talented he isn't will justify taking him on some other grounds.
nice a subtle, had to read 3 times to see what you did there
Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:29 am to Skillet
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Everyone needs to calm down...If for some reason Mett goes down with an injury, we'll just go back to playing without a QB like we've done for the past 3 seasons....sheesh people
so true, sooo true, thank goodness for our defense and running game.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:32 am to Tommy Patel
pennlive.com comments about Bolden.
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i'm sorry to say but not even god could make this kid a legit qb...that poor kid couldnt hit the side of a barn using a magnifying glass... the only thing i can think why miles wants him is to get o'briens playbook...happy trails kid! wish you the best!
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I, for one, am sorry to see Bolden go. Aside from the passing, scrambling and running, he was really a terrific quarterback.
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They won't put up with dad down there. Sadly Bolden was more hype than anything. I wish him well. I have a feeling he will play there, but not at quarterback. Then again, it is LSU. They even made JaMarcus Russel look good. lol
Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:47 am to Skillet
Holy. shite.
This thread is the rant at its worst.
"Don't waste a scholarship on the guy"
"He is ruining team chemistry"
"Les wants another JJ"
Right now, we have 3 QBs - none of whom have started a game for LSU. 2 of those guys have never taken a snap for LSU. Does anyone remember the 2008 season for God's sake?!
Bolden does not bring anything special to the table IMO, but at the very least, Les and co. know what they are getting with him. They have seen him perform on the big stage and I am sure they believe they can improve upon that. Rivers/Randall may be a much better option, but we have no clue right now. Let's say Mett is an 8/10 and Bolden is a 3/10. We have no clue what Rivers/Randall are going to be when they take the field. They could be 6/10 and the could be 2/10. Bolden is another option. Nothing more, nothing less. Can someone clue me in on the downside?
We are not losing any recruits over the deal. He won't count against the 85 numbers until next year. Take him.
This thread is the rant at its worst.
"Don't waste a scholarship on the guy"
"He is ruining team chemistry"
"Les wants another JJ"
Right now, we have 3 QBs - none of whom have started a game for LSU. 2 of those guys have never taken a snap for LSU. Does anyone remember the 2008 season for God's sake?!
Bolden does not bring anything special to the table IMO, but at the very least, Les and co. know what they are getting with him. They have seen him perform on the big stage and I am sure they believe they can improve upon that. Rivers/Randall may be a much better option, but we have no clue right now. Let's say Mett is an 8/10 and Bolden is a 3/10. We have no clue what Rivers/Randall are going to be when they take the field. They could be 6/10 and the could be 2/10. Bolden is another option. Nothing more, nothing less. Can someone clue me in on the downside?
We are not losing any recruits over the deal. He won't count against the 85 numbers until next year. Take him.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:51 am to HeadCoach
Just a quick reminder of our quarterback situation the past few years, for those enraged by the thought that Bolden may come join the team:
Year-Projected Starter/fate-----Opening day/fate--------most played/fate-------finished as starter
2008:Perilloux-kicked off team----Hatch KIA @ Auburn-----Lee pick-6 fest(bench)-----------JJ (MVP Chick Fil-A)
2009:Jefferson-JJ played ok, took sacks, ran option. Lee sucked vs Bama & La Tech---JJ
2010:JJ-JJ regressed, Lee looked sharp passing in relief, JJ good vs Bama and A&M-----JJ (MVP Cotton)
2011:JJ-arrested/suspended--Lee, solid til Bama, then sat--JJ good vs Bama (1)/ Arky, bad vs UGA/Bama(2)--JJ
Leads us to this year. Miles has started the season with his pick only 2 of the last 4 years; the guy who started the year finished only 2 of those years. This year, we have 3 guys on the roster, only one who's played a down of college ball.
Look at the offense and the results the last few seasons- turnovers led to our worst season. A hidden offense that does no harm led to 9 wins; decent led to 11 and 13.
Why bring in another guy? Mett's the man, if he's only equal to last year's QBs (175-200 yds, few turnovers), we likely play for the BCS again. But if he gets hurt, then you want to avoid the turnovers, and throwing a totally inexperienced guy in (ala Lee 2008) is risky. Bolden should at least be experienced enough to run the "don't hurt us" offense.
Is Bolden like JJ? Well, he's black, and he'd be ordered to minimize mistakes, so in that way, I guess so. And with a 2010 offense, we're likely looking at beating almost everyone with our defense and special teams, just like we did then. The one thing we don't need is Rivers throwing picks at Auburn, Florida and Arkansas.
Just remember, Mett is more like Russell and Flynn, given the keys to the offense, and that is what we should see.
Year-Projected Starter/fate-----Opening day/fate--------most played/fate-------finished as starter
2008:Perilloux-kicked off team----Hatch KIA @ Auburn-----Lee pick-6 fest(bench)-----------JJ (MVP Chick Fil-A)
2009:Jefferson-JJ played ok, took sacks, ran option. Lee sucked vs Bama & La Tech---JJ
2010:JJ-JJ regressed, Lee looked sharp passing in relief, JJ good vs Bama and A&M-----JJ (MVP Cotton)
2011:JJ-arrested/suspended--Lee, solid til Bama, then sat--JJ good vs Bama (1)/ Arky, bad vs UGA/Bama(2)--JJ
Leads us to this year. Miles has started the season with his pick only 2 of the last 4 years; the guy who started the year finished only 2 of those years. This year, we have 3 guys on the roster, only one who's played a down of college ball.
Look at the offense and the results the last few seasons- turnovers led to our worst season. A hidden offense that does no harm led to 9 wins; decent led to 11 and 13.
Why bring in another guy? Mett's the man, if he's only equal to last year's QBs (175-200 yds, few turnovers), we likely play for the BCS again. But if he gets hurt, then you want to avoid the turnovers, and throwing a totally inexperienced guy in (ala Lee 2008) is risky. Bolden should at least be experienced enough to run the "don't hurt us" offense.
Is Bolden like JJ? Well, he's black, and he'd be ordered to minimize mistakes, so in that way, I guess so. And with a 2010 offense, we're likely looking at beating almost everyone with our defense and special teams, just like we did then. The one thing we don't need is Rivers throwing picks at Auburn, Florida and Arkansas.
Just remember, Mett is more like Russell and Flynn, given the keys to the offense, and that is what we should see.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:52 am to ProjectP2294
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The biggest reason used by the pro-Bolden people was that he provides immediate insurance if somethings happens to Mett. It would stand to reason that if he no longer provides immediate insurance that should no longer be a take.
We have 4 QBs... if he can not play until NEXT year, we will have a Sr. and 3 Sph on the team as QBs, it definite alters the equation form me.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:02 am to rbdallas
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We have 4 QBs... if he can not play until NEXT year, we will have a Sr. and 3 Sph on the team as QBs, it definite alters the equation form me.
Agreed.
If Bolden counts against this year's numbers, do not take him.
If we lose Rettig or Jennings, do not take him.
If he cannot play this year, do not take him.
If those three things are satisfied, where is the downside?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:04 am to slackster
The Bolden deal, if it's real is not good for LSU.
Yes, I understand the "insurance" argument, but it's weak. The "we don't have QB experience" argument is an idictment of lack of coaching foresight, as much as anything. We didn't give our your QB's game reps last year when we had a chance. In fact, we haven't dealt forcefully wiht our QB problems since Perriloux first became an issue for us. Bolden is just more patchwork by our staff.
My thoughts on why the risks outweigh the benefits:
1. I don't like LSU being perceived as as taking advantage of the Penn St. tragedy. Very few teams have been willing to fish in these waters for this reason.
2. Bolden just doesn't seem to be that good. At anything. His "insurance" quality and experience count only insofar as he's an able QB. I can't find any credible evidence he is.
3. The signing sends the wrong message to our new QB commitments, who can still go elsewhere.
4.The signing sends the wrong message to current team members who've paid the price and waited their turn.
Bottom line: ain't worth worth it andit's symptomatic of persistent failure to recruit and develop QBs.
My thoughts on
Yes, I understand the "insurance" argument, but it's weak. The "we don't have QB experience" argument is an idictment of lack of coaching foresight, as much as anything. We didn't give our your QB's game reps last year when we had a chance. In fact, we haven't dealt forcefully wiht our QB problems since Perriloux first became an issue for us. Bolden is just more patchwork by our staff.
My thoughts on why the risks outweigh the benefits:
1. I don't like LSU being perceived as as taking advantage of the Penn St. tragedy. Very few teams have been willing to fish in these waters for this reason.
2. Bolden just doesn't seem to be that good. At anything. His "insurance" quality and experience count only insofar as he's an able QB. I can't find any credible evidence he is.
3. The signing sends the wrong message to our new QB commitments, who can still go elsewhere.
4.The signing sends the wrong message to current team members who've paid the price and waited their turn.
Bottom line: ain't worth worth it andit's symptomatic of persistent failure to recruit and develop QBs.
My thoughts on
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:07 am to nitwit
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1. I don't like LSU being perceived as as taking advantage of the Penn St. tragedy. Very few teams have been willing to fish in these waters for this reason.
Absolutely idiotic
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3. The signing sends the wrong message to our new QB commitments, who can still go elsewhere.
4.The signing sends the wrong message to current team members who've paid the price and waited their turn.
You don't think our staff communicates to the players and recruits?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:07 am to whodidthat
He would not have to sit out year under these circumstance. U boy's try to deep up 
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:13 am to nitwit
Bolden will be gone by the time its time for them to start IMO Because they will both be redshirted there first year
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:13 am to cajunjj
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We are not losing any recruits over the deal. He won't count against the 85 numbers until next year. Take him.
Until next year. Where that spot could be used by a much more talented recruit.
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