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re: Brando on Finebaum today
Posted on 7/4/09 at 1:40 am to supatigah
Posted on 7/4/09 at 1:40 am to supatigah
"OM will have a tough time running the ball and an even tougher time stopping the run"
Hello folks. This is my first post, and honestly, I do not normally post on a board belonging to a rival.In fact, this will be time numero uno, and I hate the post will be one that will carry a negative sentiment.
To preface said negative statement, I will indeed condede that LSU sports have throughout history trumped the programs of my beloved Rebels, pretty much top to bottom, give or take a year here and a year there.
However, when one is posting on a board such as this one, should he/she not at least know the slighest bit about what they speak of? If you are/were ignorant to the facts, wouldn't most intelligent minded people just choose to keep their opinions to themselves?
I thought so.
So that said, to imply that the 2009 Rebels will have a tough time rushing the football is asinine, to say the least. You see, in 2008, Ole Miss was 2nd only to Florida in rushing offense.The 2009 squad returns every man that had a rushing attempt a season ago. A reasonable soul could conclude when faced with those statistics, that Ole Miss will run the ball with the best of the best...Nationwide.
Moving on. To say that the Rebels will have even a harder time stopping the run is less ingenious than the prior statment. For once agian, in 2008, Ole Miss was 2nd in the SEC against the run (Alabama was 1st). The 2009 squad returns all of the front seven, save Peria Jerry (yes, big loss), but got deeper for the upcomming season. Again, a smart man/woman should know better than to make such a claim.
In closing, I don't know what will happen when the Tigers meet the Rebels in Oxford, I will even go so far to say that if your boys walk out of VHS victorious, I will not be surprised in the least.
You hate us, we hate you, we can all agree on that, but to make the above statement is pure, unadulterated silliness.
Thank you, and good day.
Hello folks. This is my first post, and honestly, I do not normally post on a board belonging to a rival.In fact, this will be time numero uno, and I hate the post will be one that will carry a negative sentiment.
To preface said negative statement, I will indeed condede that LSU sports have throughout history trumped the programs of my beloved Rebels, pretty much top to bottom, give or take a year here and a year there.
However, when one is posting on a board such as this one, should he/she not at least know the slighest bit about what they speak of? If you are/were ignorant to the facts, wouldn't most intelligent minded people just choose to keep their opinions to themselves?
I thought so.
So that said, to imply that the 2009 Rebels will have a tough time rushing the football is asinine, to say the least. You see, in 2008, Ole Miss was 2nd only to Florida in rushing offense.The 2009 squad returns every man that had a rushing attempt a season ago. A reasonable soul could conclude when faced with those statistics, that Ole Miss will run the ball with the best of the best...Nationwide.
Moving on. To say that the Rebels will have even a harder time stopping the run is less ingenious than the prior statment. For once agian, in 2008, Ole Miss was 2nd in the SEC against the run (Alabama was 1st). The 2009 squad returns all of the front seven, save Peria Jerry (yes, big loss), but got deeper for the upcomming season. Again, a smart man/woman should know better than to make such a claim.
In closing, I don't know what will happen when the Tigers meet the Rebels in Oxford, I will even go so far to say that if your boys walk out of VHS victorious, I will not be surprised in the least.
You hate us, we hate you, we can all agree on that, but to make the above statement is pure, unadulterated silliness.
Thank you, and good day.
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Posted on 7/4/09 at 2:52 am to ATLReb
is Ole Miss suddenly going to decide to play pass defense?
Posted on 7/4/09 at 2:55 am to usc6158
If you read the post, you would have the ability to answer to your own question.
Posted on 7/4/09 at 8:06 am to cbhughes
quote:
Brando has picked Ole Miss to finish #3 behind Oklahoma and Florida
and would the Webels hang a banner showing pride in their #3 finish, because it won't be saying "SEC Champions", that's for sure???
Posted on 7/4/09 at 8:12 am to ATLReb
quote:
Posted byMessage
ATLReb
quote:Typical Ole Piss fan...one decent season and already living in the past...
So that said, to imply that the 2009 Rebels will have a tough time rushing the football is asinine, to say the least. You see, in 2008, Ole Miss was 2nd only to Florida in rushing offense.The 2009 squad returns every man that had a rushing attempt a season ago. A reasonable soul could conclude when faced with those statistics, that Ole Miss will run the ball with the best of the best...Nationwide.
Moving on. To say that the Rebels will have even a harder time stopping the run is less ingenious than the prior statment. For once agian, in 2008, Ole Miss was 2nd in the SEC against the run (Alabama was 1st). The 2009 squad returns all of the front seven, save Peria Jerry (yes, big loss), but got deeper for the upcomming season. Again, a smart man/woman should know better than to make such a claim.
Posted on 7/4/09 at 11:16 am to OTIS2
Very intelligent, well thought out comebacks outta you guys. I mean, you have really put me in my place. "ole piss" hurts, and it hurts deep.The astute level of debate prowess that you have displayed here is really, really something that lends itself unto greatness.
The attention to detail, the uncanny use of statistics, the eloquent wordsmith style...absolutely mind boggling.
Bravo, Tiger Nation, Bravo!
But just as a last ditch effort, you know, with you guys beating me down as you have, and being that I, like all Rebel fans, live in the past, I have one word for you...
...scoreboard! 31-13
Now if anyone could actually offer something with even the tiniest amount of intellect, well, that'd just be super.
The attention to detail, the uncanny use of statistics, the eloquent wordsmith style...absolutely mind boggling.
Bravo, Tiger Nation, Bravo!
But just as a last ditch effort, you know, with you guys beating me down as you have, and being that I, like all Rebel fans, live in the past, I have one word for you...
...scoreboard! 31-13
Now if anyone could actually offer something with even the tiniest amount of intellect, well, that'd just be super.
Posted on 7/4/09 at 11:40 am to ATLReb
quote:
ATLReb
quote:Didn't even realize you continue to prove my point, did you Mr. Faulkner?
scoreboard! 31-13
dumbass ole piss fan...mississippi tea sipperPosted on 7/4/09 at 8:37 pm to OTIS2
Again, with the intelligence, amazing!
Look, Otis, I'll say it again, through the eyes of history, LSU has a vast lead over the Rebels. I know this and can readily admit it.
But here's the thing, right now, today, here in the year 2009, Ole Miss is the superior team.Period. End of story.
I made a rebuttle towards one of your esteemed colleagues concerning both the rush offense and rush defense of our team, and in turn, asked for an intelligent response to debunk anything that I might have had to allow.
Oh, but no!! You can't do that can you? I can only guess that the reason for this is lack of "smarts" on your part.You sterotype the fanbase, calling me "typical" (which I was shocked that you were able to spell correctly), and resort to name calling. This, my friend, is the crutch of the inarticulate. No, Otis, tis not I that is the "dumbass"-no, sir-that condition is one that falls directly upon your shoulders
Look, Otis, I'll say it again, through the eyes of history, LSU has a vast lead over the Rebels. I know this and can readily admit it.
But here's the thing, right now, today, here in the year 2009, Ole Miss is the superior team.Period. End of story.
I made a rebuttle towards one of your esteemed colleagues concerning both the rush offense and rush defense of our team, and in turn, asked for an intelligent response to debunk anything that I might have had to allow.
Oh, but no!! You can't do that can you? I can only guess that the reason for this is lack of "smarts" on your part.You sterotype the fanbase, calling me "typical" (which I was shocked that you were able to spell correctly), and resort to name calling. This, my friend, is the crutch of the inarticulate. No, Otis, tis not I that is the "dumbass"-no, sir-that condition is one that falls directly upon your shoulders
Posted on 7/4/09 at 10:29 pm to ATLReb
Yes, Ole Miss was the only team that beat the national champions last year. And that makes it the 2nd year in a row a Houston Nutt coached team has beaten the eventual BCS champion.
Experience at the QB position is a huge plus in a college football season. We need to look no further than LSU, or Auburn, or Tennessee, or…you get my point.
Then, we have the schedule the Rebels face in 2009. With two games at home against the two teams considered “the ones to beat in the SEC West,” it would seem to give even more credence to their rankings.
But, I still don’t buy it.
Why? A few reasons…
#1 Vaught Hemingway Stadum: If you take a moment and look at the record Ole Miss has posted at home this decade, versus SEC opponents, you see a record that doesn’t eclipse the .500 mark (19-21.)
Does the experience last year change that? They were .500 at home last year so how would it?
#2 Houston Nutt: I respect Houston Nutt. I do consider him to be a good team motivator. But, each time his former Razorback teams were thought of to be “a team to beat” they did fulfill that expectation – they were a team beaten. If history is an indicator on his coaching ability, he’ll lose games he’s supposed to win. In this case, enough to prove the lofty pre-season ranking is un-deserved.
#3 Using last year as a indicator of this years results: That’s where most of the love is coming from. The success Ole Miss enjoyed in the running game came behind left tackle Michael Oher and left guard Darryl Harris – neither of the two will be on the field for the Rebels this fall. John Jerry, the Rebel right tackle, does return. His compadre, right guard Maurice Miller, isn’t even listed on their depth chart.
The Rebels will challenge for the SECW title. But, without the ability to run the ball with any degree of success I see a Nutt coached team failing to live up to fans’ and media members expectations AGAIN.
Experience at the QB position is a huge plus in a college football season. We need to look no further than LSU, or Auburn, or Tennessee, or…you get my point.
Then, we have the schedule the Rebels face in 2009. With two games at home against the two teams considered “the ones to beat in the SEC West,” it would seem to give even more credence to their rankings.
But, I still don’t buy it.
Why? A few reasons…
#1 Vaught Hemingway Stadum: If you take a moment and look at the record Ole Miss has posted at home this decade, versus SEC opponents, you see a record that doesn’t eclipse the .500 mark (19-21.)
Does the experience last year change that? They were .500 at home last year so how would it?
#2 Houston Nutt: I respect Houston Nutt. I do consider him to be a good team motivator. But, each time his former Razorback teams were thought of to be “a team to beat” they did fulfill that expectation – they were a team beaten. If history is an indicator on his coaching ability, he’ll lose games he’s supposed to win. In this case, enough to prove the lofty pre-season ranking is un-deserved.
#3 Using last year as a indicator of this years results: That’s where most of the love is coming from. The success Ole Miss enjoyed in the running game came behind left tackle Michael Oher and left guard Darryl Harris – neither of the two will be on the field for the Rebels this fall. John Jerry, the Rebel right tackle, does return. His compadre, right guard Maurice Miller, isn’t even listed on their depth chart.
The Rebels will challenge for the SECW title. But, without the ability to run the ball with any degree of success I see a Nutt coached team failing to live up to fans’ and media members expectations AGAIN.
This post was edited on 7/4/09 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 7/4/09 at 11:09 pm to Icansee4miles
Ole Miss cant handle success. They will choke.and we WILL beat them in OXFART. No way they play for the SEC Championship. Gonna be close though.Their QB is a Stud but our D-line is better than their O-line. Plus our DB's will be ready. 
This post was edited on 7/4/09 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 7/4/09 at 11:35 pm to CWilken21
Finally, a decent and well put arguement. Thank you, CWilken21.
Your "pluses" concerning the Rebels plight were well put, and where I do not suppose that they can be, as a whole, be proven facts without the benefit of intense research, let's just say that I agree.
As far as your negatives, allow me to rebut those in sequential order:
1.) Your point about the Rebs being a .500 team at VHS is a bit skewed. One must remember that includes a full three seasons under the tutelage of one Ed Orgeron (worst mistake in OM football history, and yes, that includes the Steve Sloan debacle). This also includes a rather unfortuitous recruiting job by the Cutcliffe regime, pretty much throughout their tenure, but paticularly following the Eli Manning era.
As far as the record a season ago is concerned, as has been pointed out by college football experts across the land, that team last year was just beginning to gain some confidence, i.e. learning how to win. This is made evident by the "tale of two halves", if you will-
First 6 games: 3-3
Last 6 games: 5-1
2.) Before I get into Houston Nutt, I would first like to say that the lofty preseason accolades are very much deserved, whether you consider Nutt to be a "choke artist" or not, the talent is undeniably there.
However, as far as HDN goes, you are right, his strength does lie within his ability to motivate players, this much is true. Also true is the fact that while at Arkansas when the team was highly touted, they did have a tendency to fall flat.
Let me tell you why that will not be an occourance at Ole Miss. First off at Ark, Nutt had AD Frank Broyles in his back pocket, for Broyles, it was "Yes Sir, Mr Nutt" and "No Sir, Mr. Nutt". Not gonna happen in Oxford.
Secondly, at Ark, Nutt was his own OC (save the one Malzhan season that brought the Springdale 5 to Fayetteville, and ultimately resulted in HDN's "resignation"). Not so, at Ole Miss. The Rebels have an OC that Nutt must listen to. For that gentleman is non-other than Kent Austin, former QB at where? That's right, Ole Miss. And believe me, you will hear that name over and over in the very near future.
3.) Of course the love of the Rebels is derived from last year, and why shouldn't it? They have most everyone of substance returning this year. You bring up Oher and Harris' departure (and no, you are wrong about the run blocking on the left side, Oher was not a "great" run blocker, hence his fall in the draft). No problem. Bradly Sowell and Rishaw Johnson will do just fine in their absence as they did a season ago filling in for the afore mentioned Oher and Harris (not as though we are trotting out newbies). And Miller not being on the depth chart is also not a problem due to the emergence of Reid Neely. Also look for guys named Washington,Clair,Green, and blockbuster recruit Bobbie Massie.
To conclude, yes, we will not only challenge for SECW crown, but are favored to do so.This whole "not being able to rush" idea is ridiculous (did you not factor in that all RB's are back?), and only time will tell, but those media members you speak of know alot more than you or I, so, I, as all Rebel Faithful, cannot wait until kickoff.
Your "pluses" concerning the Rebels plight were well put, and where I do not suppose that they can be, as a whole, be proven facts without the benefit of intense research, let's just say that I agree.
As far as your negatives, allow me to rebut those in sequential order:
1.) Your point about the Rebs being a .500 team at VHS is a bit skewed. One must remember that includes a full three seasons under the tutelage of one Ed Orgeron (worst mistake in OM football history, and yes, that includes the Steve Sloan debacle). This also includes a rather unfortuitous recruiting job by the Cutcliffe regime, pretty much throughout their tenure, but paticularly following the Eli Manning era.
As far as the record a season ago is concerned, as has been pointed out by college football experts across the land, that team last year was just beginning to gain some confidence, i.e. learning how to win. This is made evident by the "tale of two halves", if you will-
First 6 games: 3-3
Last 6 games: 5-1
2.) Before I get into Houston Nutt, I would first like to say that the lofty preseason accolades are very much deserved, whether you consider Nutt to be a "choke artist" or not, the talent is undeniably there.
However, as far as HDN goes, you are right, his strength does lie within his ability to motivate players, this much is true. Also true is the fact that while at Arkansas when the team was highly touted, they did have a tendency to fall flat.
Let me tell you why that will not be an occourance at Ole Miss. First off at Ark, Nutt had AD Frank Broyles in his back pocket, for Broyles, it was "Yes Sir, Mr Nutt" and "No Sir, Mr. Nutt". Not gonna happen in Oxford.
Secondly, at Ark, Nutt was his own OC (save the one Malzhan season that brought the Springdale 5 to Fayetteville, and ultimately resulted in HDN's "resignation"). Not so, at Ole Miss. The Rebels have an OC that Nutt must listen to. For that gentleman is non-other than Kent Austin, former QB at where? That's right, Ole Miss. And believe me, you will hear that name over and over in the very near future.
3.) Of course the love of the Rebels is derived from last year, and why shouldn't it? They have most everyone of substance returning this year. You bring up Oher and Harris' departure (and no, you are wrong about the run blocking on the left side, Oher was not a "great" run blocker, hence his fall in the draft). No problem. Bradly Sowell and Rishaw Johnson will do just fine in their absence as they did a season ago filling in for the afore mentioned Oher and Harris (not as though we are trotting out newbies). And Miller not being on the depth chart is also not a problem due to the emergence of Reid Neely. Also look for guys named Washington,Clair,Green, and blockbuster recruit Bobbie Massie.
To conclude, yes, we will not only challenge for SECW crown, but are favored to do so.This whole "not being able to rush" idea is ridiculous (did you not factor in that all RB's are back?), and only time will tell, but those media members you speak of know alot more than you or I, so, I, as all Rebel Faithful, cannot wait until kickoff.
This post was edited on 7/4/09 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 7/4/09 at 11:44 pm to ATLReb
I refuse to buy into the hype of a bunch of two star athletes being pumped by a media that's desparate for a new face in college football. The dominate recruiting machines, LSU, USC, Florida, Oklahoma, ect will continue to dominate the MNC game for the next decade. Pretenders, who recruit regional 1 and 2 star wannabes, who happen to overacheive one damn year, have no spot at the top of the college football mountain. Sorry!
Posted on 7/5/09 at 12:04 am to PinevilleTiger
One and two star athletes? really?
Funny the feces that spews from your keyboard mouth. You continue on with your arrogant ways, but yet have almost no knowledge of what you speak.That is funny to me, because one my Dad's favorite sayings while I was growing up was "Stupid people sure can be annoying, but at least they're not arrogant"
Also keep in mind that all of the so-called-recruiting-machines you have mentioned have had major dips in their history. Fla under Zook= not a machine, USC under Hackett=not a machine, OU under Blake=not a machine, even your Tigers under DiNardo=not a machine.
Championship programs are built and henceforth must start somewhere.
Oh yeah, and Chief? the abbreviation for the word etcetera is "etc", not "ect".
You're welcome.
Funny the feces that spews from your keyboard mouth. You continue on with your arrogant ways, but yet have almost no knowledge of what you speak.That is funny to me, because one my Dad's favorite sayings while I was growing up was "Stupid people sure can be annoying, but at least they're not arrogant"
Also keep in mind that all of the so-called-recruiting-machines you have mentioned have had major dips in their history. Fla under Zook= not a machine, USC under Hackett=not a machine, OU under Blake=not a machine, even your Tigers under DiNardo=not a machine.
Championship programs are built and henceforth must start somewhere.
Oh yeah, and Chief? the abbreviation for the word etcetera is "etc", not "ect".
You're welcome.
Posted on 7/5/09 at 12:24 am to cbhughes
quote:
Bingo Bango picked Bama #3 in the country in 2000 after they won the West in '99. He's like most national pundints in that he has a superficial surface knowledge of many teams, but an in-depth knowledge of none. But because he was a sports anchor here 20 plus years ago he feigns an in depth knowledge of LSU with a helping of national media arrogance that undermines his credibility.
Simply put, Brando is a freaking idiot!!!!!
This post was edited on 7/5/09 at 2:46 am
Posted on 7/5/09 at 9:23 am to donnie052768
Isn't every broadcaster or sports personality considered a complete idiot on here? But when I listen to them they seem so much more intelligent than 90% of the posters on here and 100% more than the ones that nickpick every word they utter.
Posted on 7/5/09 at 9:26 am to CougarBait
quote:He's ok. He will go to great lengths, however, to avoid any appearance as an LSU homer.His love of Finebaum is a bit disgusting...
Brando
Posted on 7/5/09 at 10:30 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:
On paper OM is as talented as anyone they play, if not moreso.
This is the basis of all the OM hype and it has a core flaw. When you look "on paper" most are looking at the starting 22 and OM has enough here to compete with the top dogs. The reality is the road through the SEC is a grind and championship teams are 2 deep. I don't think OM is in the top 5 in the SEC as far as having talent across the entire 2 deep chart. UF, UGA, UT, LSU, Bama and maybe even AU have more talent in their top 45 players than OM has.
LSU has won 2 SEC titles this decade with backup QB's playing in the title game. Injuries happen and you better have talented guys with confidence ready to step in. While QB is the most visible position to see a drop-off when a starter goes down, it is not the only position that can get you beat.
The likelyhood of OM playing 11 weeks in a row without an injury in the starting 22 is slim to none.
Posted on 7/5/09 at 11:59 am to ATLReb
This Old Miss needs to go hang out on the ACC boards!
Posted on 7/5/09 at 12:08 pm to ATLReb
To ATLREB:
And the word again is spelled as so, not as agian, as you spelled in your first post. You need spell check or need to proof before correcting others.
And the word again is spelled as so, not as agian, as you spelled in your first post. You need spell check or need to proof before correcting others.
quote:
the abbreviation for the word etcetera is "etc", not "ect".
quote:
(ATLREB)For once agian, in 2008, Ole Miss was 2nd in the SEC against the run (Alabama was 1st). The 2009 squad returns all of the front seven, save Peria Jerry (yes, big loss), but got deeper for the upcomming season.
This post was edited on 7/5/09 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 7/5/09 at 12:31 pm to Hot Carl
quote:
I don't believe there has ever been anybody more in love with himself than that douchebag (Tim Brando).
You ever listen to Jordy in the morning on 1210?
This post was edited on 7/5/09 at 12:33 pm
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